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Everything Else: **Spoiler Alert** - A Battlestar discussion
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CommentAuthorlackofcheese
- CommentTimeJun 14th 2008 edited
Gah!! The episode is already in uTorrent due to the RSS feed, but my download scheduler was on, limiting my torrent speed to 15kb/s.It looks like I'll have to wait ~7 hours to watch it (and it's already 8:35pm here).
The torrent sped up.
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Posted By: thaneofcawdorAlso, who else thinks that at the end of the episode was ?
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Posted By: Roach
I was expecting a "Planet of the Apes" moment.Posted By: thaneofcawdorAlso, who else thinks that at the end of the episode was ?
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This is EXACTLY what I thought. -
I honestly don't think that was it. It would be too cheesy and predictable. I will be disappointed if thats what it turns out to be, though.
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Posted By: PoorlyAfter that lovely fake-out this episode, the writers can go fuck themselves.
Well goddamn. They restored my faith with just one episode. It was brilliant! -
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CommentAuthorKate Monster
- CommentTimeJun 15th 2008
Ha, cute.
The last episode went so far, that I almost feel that more episodes of the show are unnecessary. I will still watch to the end, I am just not sure I will anticipate/get as excited about the upcoming episodes. -
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CommentAuthorlackofcheese
- CommentTimeJun 16th 2008
Aw, that vid really is cute.
I agree, I don't see where they can go with the coming episodes. -
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CommentAuthorthaneofcawdor
- CommentTimeJun 16th 2008
Posted By: lackofcheeseI don't see where they can go with the coming episodes.
We still don't know who the final Cylon is. We don't know what the "head people" are. How did Starbuck survive (did she survive?), and where did her brand-new fighter come from? And, of course, the question posed by the final minutes of last episode: what the frak do they do now?
The show still has some juice left. -
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CommentAuthorlackofcheese
- CommentTimeJun 16th 2008
That mostly seems like tying up loose ends to me.
The final Cylon is of interest, but they've left it so long that it's really going to have to hit hard now. -
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Posted By: thaneofcawdor
Posted By: lackofcheeseI don't see where they can go with the coming episodes.
We still don't know who the final Cylon is. We don't know what the "head people" are. How did Starbuck survive (did she survive?), and where did her brand-new fighter come from? And, of course, the question posed by the final minutes of last episode: what the frak do they do now?
The show still has some juice left.
I have long assumed that the "head" people were merely cylon projections. As an aside, Baltar may have garnered the ability to create a "head" version of himself due to sustained interaction with Caprica 6 in Head 6 form, possibly just as a self-defense mechanism. Alternatively, it could have been Tori projecting although she was probably not conscious of the ability.
I did note in this last episode that D'Anna said that the final cylon was either not in the fleet or in the ship. I am assuming from this that this final cylon is probably on (or under) Earth's surface and likely is responsible in whole or in part for Starbuck's mysterious ressurection. I hope. -
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CommentAuthorlackofcheese
- CommentTimeJun 16th 2008 edited
The final Cylon could be Starbuck's fighter. -
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Posted By: lackofcheeseThe final Cylon could be Starbuck's fighter.
I note again that D'Anna found said it was not on the fleet. Also, D'Anna and a random 8 were both either standing right next to or sitting in said fighter and said nothing. I would assume if it were the final cylon there would be some manner of reaction from them both. -
Posted By: lackofcheeseThe final Cylon could be Starbuck's fighter.
I thought of that too.
Perhaps we will find out that the colony that went to Earth also created Cylons and the final five were the only survivors of the conflict. -
Posted By: HMTKStevePerhaps we will find out that the colony that went to Earth also created Cylons and the final five were the only survivors of the conflict.
You think they were sent to the colonial planets a la Superman style? -
Posted By: Andrew
I don't know if I would go that far but Adama did reveal that he had known Saul Tigh for what, 30 years?Posted By: HMTKStevePerhaps we will find out that the colony that went to Earth also created Cylons and the final five were the only survivors of the conflict.
You think they were sent to the colonial planets a la Superman style?
According to the Wikipedia page Saul Tigh Tigh entered the Colonial Fleet as an enlisted man during the first Cylon war. Still a teenager, he was serving on the Brenik when it was boarded by Cylon Centurions. It is possible that the "real" Saul Tigh was used as a blueprint for the Cylon version. -
Posted By: HMTKSteveIt is possible that the "real" Saul Tigh was used as a blueprint for the Cylon version.
I highly doubt it because if this were true, the regular human models would know the final five. I don't think that the final five were created by the cylons who attacked the colonies. -
Posted By: Andrew
I don't mean it that way. I mean whoever made the final five may have taken five real humans and used them to make the final five from (transplant memories). Or they could be more like the hybrids in that they are human with Cylon stuff added to them. That might also explain how Tigh got the 6 pregnant.Posted By: HMTKSteveIt is possible that the "real" Saul Tigh was used as a blueprint for the Cylon version.
I highly doubt it because if this were true, the regular human models would know the final five. I don't think that the final five were created by the cylons who attacked the colonies. -
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CommentAuthorlackofcheese
- CommentTimeJun 16th 2008 edited
Posted By: Your Mom
One speaks from one's knowledge.Posted By: lackofcheeseThe final Cylon could be Starbuck's fighter.
I note again that D'Anna found said it was not on the fleet.Also, D'Anna and a random 8 were both either standing right next to or sitting in said fighter and said nothing. I would assume if it were the final cylon there would be some manner of reaction from them both.
The Cylons didn't know who the other four were until recently, despite having had contact with them before. -
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I would also like to point out that D'Anna could have been lying.
AFAIK D'Anna is the only one who knows who the fifth cylon is. When she declares that cylon is not on the fleet it implies she knows where that cylon is. There are close to 40K people in the fleet. Either she is lying about the last one or the last one could have already been on the base ship but not yet aware that it is a cylon. Well, or it could already be dead. -
I am not the only one who heard this.
D'Anna saw all five on the algae planet in the episode "Eye of Jupiter". She is the only one with the knowledge in the whole show. In the episode where she sees each of the five, all are representated as glowing, anthropomorphic forms. I would assume that a viper would not be something she would except to see in that situation and would have had some manner of reactuion above and beyond what she did. Aside from shock, her only reaction was to apologize to one, presumably Tigh who her model tortured on New Caprica. -
Posted By: HMTKSteveI would also like to point out that D'Anna could have been lying.
AFAIK D'Anna is the only one who knows who the fifth cylon is. When she declares that cylon is not on the fleet it implies she knows where that cylon is. There are close to 40K people in the fleet. Either she is lying about the last one or the last one could have already been on the base ship but not yet aware that it is a cylon. Well, or it could already be dead.
Why would she lie? She went through much of the fleet when she was doing her documentary exposee as a spy. She had ample opportunity here. Her entire goal was to meet the five because she felt compelled to have a religious experience, seeking more from her existance. If he or she were there, and presumably in one of the characters everyone has currrently assumed, D'Anna would have met them. -
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CommentAuthorKate Monster
- CommentTimeJun 16th 2008 edited
Posted By: lackofcheeseThe final Cylon could be Starbuck's fighter.
What?! The final cylon is a "skin-job". It is the final five human-like models. Do you even watch the show? -
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CommentAuthorthaneofcawdor
- CommentTimeJun 16th 2008
Don't abandon all hope just yet: What we saw may not be Earth -
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CommentAuthorlackofcheese
- CommentTimeJun 16th 2008
Posted By: Mrs. MacRoss
Heh, yeah, they've told us it's a skin-job, but I probably forgot this after reading other crazy theories.Posted By: lackofcheeseThe final Cylon could be Starbuck's fighter.
What?! The final cylon is a "skin-job". It is the final five human-like models. Do you even watch the show?
In any case, it does seem like the final Cylon is at the very least connected to Starbuck's fighter somehow. -
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CommentAuthorKate Monster
- CommentTimeJun 17th 2008
Posted By: lackofcheese
I think the final cylon is n the dead planet and is "The Architect" or its agent.Posted By: Mrs. MacRoss
Heh, yeah, they've told us it's a skin-job, but I probably forgot this after reading other crazy theories.Posted By: lackofcheeseThe final Cylon could be Starbuck's fighter.
What?! The final cylon is a "skin-job". It is the final five human-like models. Do you even watch the show?
In any case, it does seem like the final Cylon is at the very least connected to Starbuck's fighter somehow. -
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I still need to see the middle episodes of the series. I keep wondering about how Tigh has known Adamma since the first Cylon war... I think in the original series the humans did not create the Cylons.
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The whole idea that "midseason" means January until a new one, is ridiculous. Haven't they shot them all already?
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Posted By: ThaedThe whole idea that "midseason" means January until a new one, is ridiculous. Haven't they shot them all already?
No, the are shooting the rest of the episodes right now. Shooting was delayed because of the writers strike. -
Jesus Fucking Christ was that episode dark.
Good advice when Tigh tells you you've had too much to drink, you've had too much to drink. -
Don't forget to watch the new series of Web Episodes on Hulu.
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It was hella dark indeed. I liked the music a lot too and thought it complemented the scenery and visuals really well. Then again, that may be because I've had the BSG version of "All Along the Watchtower" stuck in my head all day.
In other news, can we start some discussion about the amount of crazy stuff that went down? (Spoilers below)
~Dee kills herself
~Starbuck finds, then burns, her own body. Leoben's reaction her was priceless in my opinion.
~Roslin goes emo
~Adama goes emo, then back to command
~Ellen is the fifth
~Oh, and someone spray paints "FRAK EARTH" on the wall. That was pretty funny.Posted By: AndrewDon't forget to watch the new series of Web Episodes on Hulu.
For those interested, they're also available on iTunes for free in HD, though I'm not sure how long that's going to last. -
Posted By: AndrewDon't forget to watch the new series of Web Episodes on Hulu.
The web episodes are even darker...if that's possible. -
Sprlz|How can you forget about the most important point? The 13th tribe were cylons and the last five all have memories of living there!|
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Did they say they radiation was from 2,000 years ago?
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That was BSG at its best. The Dee scene completely caught me off guard and that doesn't happen often. It takes a long time to build up to something that epic.
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Posted By: ThaedThat was BSG at its best. The Dee scene completely caught me off guard and that doesn't happen often. It takes a long time to build up to something that epic.
When she said she could not even remember the time when the photograph of her as a kid was taken I began to think she was the final cylon. -
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CommentAuthorKate Monster
- CommentTimeJan 17th 2009
I was a bit disappointed in the episode. It was hard to stay and ever moment of dialogue felt labored and "samey"; it was as if the strongest characters all lost their individuality. I understand that it can't be happy-go-lucky at this point in the plot and I don't mind it being a "downer episode", but each "reveal moment" dragged into "reveal 15 minutes".
Spoilers: While I know some people were disappointed that the Ellen was the "final cylon", I was disappointed that it wasn't emotionally compelling. Her being the final cylon only added to Tigh's angst pile and did nothing to move the story along (at least not yet). The reveal should have had some punch, but instead it just fizzled. It seems like this episode was attempting to be gut-wrenchingly sad, but after the first thirty minutes, it was just dull. You can only watch people emote for so long. Also, was anyone really upset with Dee's death? She is a character that has faded into the background so much in the past season that it was hard to feel invested in her. Again, her death only added to the Adama duo's angst pile. I will watch the rest of the season, because I love the series so much, but I really fear that the show may have jumped the shark.
@HTMKSteve, I believe the 13th colony arrived on the planet 2,000 years ago - not that the nuclear war broke out 2,000 years ago, but I may be mistaken. -
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Posted By: Mrs. MacRossSpoilery Materials.
Spoilers: I'm pretty sure it was said that the planet was nuked 2,000 years ago (that was according to the research that Baltar confirmed in the episode).
Also, I have enough faith in the show that I expect the big reveal to be more fully and awesomely developed. Though I can understand the draggish nature of the episode, I think it bears remembering that this episode was never meant to be a season opener and that according to Ron Moore and company that the last episode before it was never meant to be a season cliffhanger. To that end I have the feeling that lots of people were expecting a lot more than just a normal continuation of the plot and in that sense the "dull" nature of the episode might be slightly more justified. -
Mrs. MacRoss, did we watch the same show? If you thought that was dull, I'd hate to think about what you would consider exciting. I surely would not survive it whatever it may be.
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Posted By: ThaedMrs. MacRoss, did we watch the same show? If you thought that was dull, I'd hate to think about what you would consider exciting. I surely would not survive it whatever it may be.
I think she might have been watching the episode of stargate that played afterwards.
I mean it answered a bunch of questions and those lead to different questions, plus I think everyone reacted realistically for a group of people surviving only because of a common hope that was just horribly dashed. -
Posted By: ThaedMrs. MacRoss, did we watch the same show? If you thought that was dull, I'd hate to think about what you would consider exciting. I surely would not survive it whatever it may be.
I kinda have to agree with Mrs. Macross. I actually fell asleep soon after Adama went to see Tigh.
I think they should rename this show "Impossibly Pretty People trying to show Angst, but not Quite Getting There", or "I've Lost All Hope, buy My Hair and Makeup Are Still Perfect", or, better yet, "Pretty Cylons are Pretty". -
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Posted By: ThaedMrs. MacRoss, did we watch the same show? If you thought that was dull, I'd hate to think about what you would consider exciting. I surely would not survive it whatever it may be.
I kinda have to agree with Mrs. Macross. I actually fell asleep soon after Adama went to see Tigh.
I think they should rename this show "Impossibly Pretty People trying to show Angst, but not Quite Getting There" or "I've Lost All Hope, buy My Hair and Makeup Are Still Perfect".
I don't quite understand how you guys missed that Admiral Adama was going to flip out this eps. If you watched other eps in the season recently you'd noticed how much crap has piled on him in the last few days in show time. Between the deaths of crew members he really cared for (not just Dee), some of his trusted crew turning out to be cylons or breaking his trust (Athena), finally getting somewhere with the president (and giving up his command to do it) only to have her completely withdraw from him and give up on life and then finding out the one hope the entire fleet had dashed, there is only so much a man can take, There were characters who managed to deal with everything going on in a way that I wouldn't consider angstful, Young Adama clearly went through a ton of shit this eps and managed to pull through looking like a leader and Tigh finally got a grip on himself and started to come back around. I just don't understand why you guys can't see that after the events of the past few eps there would be a majorly down morale eps and even the most happy go lucky people would be nearly crushed. This had to be a dark eps and it was, the only problem I had was the lack of space battles :-p -
Perhaps too many people were looking at this episode as a season premiere? As has been said before, this episode (and the previous one) were not meant to be aired as season cliffhangers and openings.
I was happy with the developments in the episode. Several questions were answered and a few new ones have been asked.
Adama Sr. getting all emotional? What do you expect. He brought the fleet all the way to Earth only to find out that the planet is not suitable for human life. That is a huge disappointment considering in the beginning he didn't even believe Earth existed. Add to this the fact that the thirteenth colony was Cylon and you have an even bigger blow to his psyche.
PS: Has the question of why there is no number 7 model ever been answered? -
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CommentAuthorKate Monster
- CommentTimeJan 18th 2009 edited
Posted By: ThaedMrs. MacRoss, did we watch the same show? If you thought that was dull, I'd hate to think about what you would consider exciting. I surely would not survive it whatever it may be.
My criticisms aren't with what happened at all. To me it suffered from the Star Wars Episodes 1-3 "slower and more" intense directing, acting, and pacing. The events and the information we learned weren't dull, but people's reactions were dull and some major plot points used as kindling for the great angst fire. There was reason to have all of the character be upset and distraught, but the poor pacing and lack-luster dialogue changed the mood from genuine emotional distress to a colorless, passionless angst. It didn't resonate for me, it almost felt like it was trying too hard to resonate and turned drama into melodrama. -
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CommentAuthorlackofcheese
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2009
Not quite so dull now. -
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No not at all, I especially like how the rebellion either was full of or disposed of some of the supporting characters you always see. It was also nice to see Starbuck (not to mention Adama and Tigh) finally get her groove back and be a little badass instead of just angsty :-p
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CommentAuthorthaneofcawdor
- CommentTimeFeb 7th 2009
Out-fracking-standing. -
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Posted By: thaneofcawdorOut-fracking-standing.
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CommentAuthorthaneofcawdor
- CommentTimeFeb 14th 2009
Posted By: HMTKStevePS: Has the question of why there is no number 7 model ever been answered?
Yes. -
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CommentAuthorlackofcheese
- CommentTimeFeb 15th 2009 edited
John's "because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way" speech was great. -