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Dear America

edited February 2007 in Politics
I am sorry for my Prime Minister, he is a bit of a dickhead. He has a medical condition whereby he thinks that because we are part of the "Coalition of the Willing" that the American people care what he has to say, he also believes that the American people know who he is.

Please forgive him, it is an election year. He has recently done several backflips on David Hicks and Climate Change, I think he may have hurt himself.

Love,

Australia.

p.s. We'd stop electing him if we had an opposition, but they have been busy digging their own graves.
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  • p.s. We'd stop electing him if we had an opposition, but they have been busy digging their own graves.

    Ah, its just his turn on the swing. You know how it goes - Labor is in for a few years, and they help social policy along, but totally fuck the economy, and then we get rid of them and bring in the liberals, who bring the economy back up to speed, but are too busy with the account books to notice much about social policy. Rinse and repeat till we have the good sense to elect someone else.

    Two Interesting notes - The Labor Party Isn't spelt with a U, but In every other (Australian) usage, it is spelt with a U.
    Secondly, The Labor party is a Socialist party, Much in the same manner as there used to be a "Soviet Socialist Republic" - Yes, that's right sportfans - every once in a while, Australia reverts to communist leadership.

    Also, I might note - Indeed do disregard Howard's comments about Obama - your Conservative Party is (Generally) in Support of the war, and As is ours. Conservatives are conservatives, pretty much.

    (I swear, though, the next customer who gives me another ill informed, Whining rant about howard's IR laws gets a punch in the throat, Being a good Barman Be Damned.)
  • Didn't your prime minister just die? From, like, a stingray attack or something?
  • Oh snap!

    But seriously, isn't your country far, far more fascist than our warmongering land of barbarism ever will be? Don't you have...BANDWIDTH CAPS? A limit to my downloading on so-called "broadband"? I'll take senseless violence and a FUD politics any day.
  • Secondly, The Labor party is a Socialist party, Much in the same manner as there used to be a "Soviet Socialist Republic" - Yes, that's right sportfans - every once in a while, Australia reverts to communist leadership.
    Socialism and communism are not the same thing.
  • I am sorry for my Prime Minister, he is a bit of a dickhead.
    I submit to you as reason why your apology is unnecessary my own president.
  • Didn't your prime minister just die? From, like, a stingray attack or something?
    I'd say I wish but we have sedition laws now and I don't want to get arrested. One of our Prime Ministers did go swimming in the ocean and vanish, he could have been stung by a stingray but that was like 30 years ago.
    I submit to you as reason why your apology is unnecessary my own president.
    My problem is that, as a dual national of both the USA and Australia, I'm surrounded by the dickheads.
  • What did you think about the Simpsons Australia episode? That was one of my favorites.

    Also, someone tell me why people aren't rioting in the streets after GWB has started going down the Iraq road with Iran? They're "definitely" selling arms to Iraqi insurgents? Doesn't anyone feel a creepy sense of deja vu? And no one is howling in disbelief, like he has any crediblity left at all?

    Maybe it's just too cold.
  • What did you think about the Simpsons Australia episode? That was one of my favorites.

    Also, someone tell me why people aren't rioting in the streets after GWB has started going down the Iraq road with Iran? They're "definitely" selling arms to Iraqi insurgents? Doesn't anyone feel a creepy sense of deja vu? And no one is howling in disbelief, like he has any crediblity left at all?

    Maybe it's just too cold.
    I laugh at comments about GWB that on one hand call him an idiot and than go on to make him out like a political genius. I'm not saying the above comment is such but...
  • edited February 2007
    Umm. . . He IS an idiot and he is NOT a political genius. What I'm saying is that I can't understand why they think anyone might take their Iran lies seriously when we're still not finished dealing with the Iraq lies.
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  • Dirty hippy. How dare you insult our commander in chief? That's as un-American as not-apple-pie.
  • edited February 2007
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    Jason: I guess you're right. I guess I hate America.
    Post edited by HungryJoe on
  • Umm. . . HeISan idiot and he isNOTa political genius. What I'm saying is that I can't understand why they think anyone might take their Iran lies seriously when we're still not finished dealing with the Iraq lies.
    I wasn't talking about you or your comments, just the ones I often hear from the pundits where they call him an idot for doing something and then, when they explain what he did, you find that it requires so much thought it could not be done by an idiot.

    "The dude is such an idiot, he burned down my house."
    "How did he do it?"
    "He used a special kind of accelerent that is made from rice and concocted a McGyver style device that would only trigger if a certain Michael Bolton CD was played on my computer."
    "So, you mean he's a genius?"
    "No, he's an idiot 'cause he burned down my house!"

    repeat...
  • I really hate to plug my local newspaper twice in 5 minutes, but I can't find this article on the non-subscription part of the Washington Post. Anyways, joe's gonna love this.
  • I wasn't talking about you or your comments, just the ones I often hear from the pundits where they call him an idot for doing something and then, when they explain what he did, you find that it requires so much thought it could not be done by an idiot.

    Also, I've noticed that people consistently carry on about how political figures make such bad decisions based on the publicly available information, without thinking that being the leader of a nation, they might just have information available to them that is not available to members of the general public.
  • I wasn't talking about you or your comments, just the ones I often hear from the pundits where they call him an idot for doing something and then, when they explain what he did, you find that it requires so much thought it could not be done by an idiot.
    Also, I've noticed that people consistently carry on about how political figures make such bad decisions based on the publicly available information, without thinking that being the leader of a nation, they might just have information available to them that is not available to members of the general public.
    True Dat!

    I believe JFK used a trick against Nixon in debates where he claimed we did not have better missiles than the Russians but, Nixon knew the truth but could not say it because it was a national security issue.
  • Oh please. It doesn't matter whether GWB has info unavailable to us. The information that IS available to us shows conclusively that it was a tremendous mistake to engage Iraq. The information that IS available to us also conclusively shows that most if not all of the reasons for the engagement were outright lies.

    Arguing that GWB's decisions may be based on unavailable information is logically equivalent to simply saying, like Britney Spears, "I think we should just trust the President in every decision he makes."

    Maybe the preachers and priests have information unavailable to us as well. Maybe we should just believe whatever any authority tells us because they might have information not available to us.
  • Oh please. It doesn't matter whether GWB has info unavailable to us. The information thatISavailable to us shows conclusively that it was a tremendous mistake to engage Iraq. The information thatISavailable to us also conclusively shows that most if not all of the reasons for the engagement were outright lies.

    Arguing that GWB's decisions may be based on unavailable information is logically equivalent to simply saying, like Britney Spears, "I think we should just trust the President in every decision he makes."

    Maybe the preachers and priests have information unavailable to us as well. Maybe we should just believe whatever any authority tells us because they might have information not available to us.
    So, if a scruffy guy comes out of an alley with his hand in his pocket and tells you it's a gun and that you should give him your money you're going to wait until he shoots you before believing him?

    GWB is the president of the USA, believing that he would not have more information on IRAQ than you or I is the fallacy.

    Reagan had a great view on things such as this, "trust but verify."

    I trust that GWB acted on information the general public did not have and I trust that history will eventually verify whether that was the case or not. I do not expect to have it verified until AFTER this is all settled.
  • So, if a scruffy guy comes out of an alley with his hand in his pocket and tells you it's a gun and that you should give him your money you're going to wait until he shoots you before believing him?
    I've thought and thought about this and I honestly cannot understand how this is in any way analogous to anything I said.
    Itrustthat GWB acted on information the general public did not have and Itrustthat history will eventuallyverifywhether that was the case or not. I do not expect to have it verified until AFTER this is all settled.
    So I guess you'd trust me if I told you about this great real estate scheme because I have information about it you don't have. Wait until after I've drained your bank account to see whether your trust was justified.
  • So, if a scruffy guy comes out of an alley with his hand in his pocket and tells you it's a gun and that you should give him your money you're going to wait until he shoots you before believing him?
    I've thought and thought about this and I honestly cannot understand how this is in any way analogous to anything I said.
    It is analogous because such a scruffy character is both likely to have a gun, and if he has one, likely to use it. Either way, the scruffy guy has better information then you do on whether he has a gun or not.
    Itrustthat GWB acted on information the general public did not have and Itrustthat history will eventuallyverifywhether that was the case or not. I do not expect to have it verified until AFTER this is all settled.
    So I guess you'd trust me if I told you about this great real estate scheme because I have information about it you don't have. Wait until after I've drained your bank account to see whether your trust was justified.
    You are a lawyer who, as far as all of us on the forums know, has no background in real estate. In law discussions we give you the benefit of the doubt because of who and what you are.

    Because GWB is president he has access to sources of Intel that the general public does not. To assume that he does not is foolish.
  • Okay, assuming what you say about the scruffy guy is valid, you should be willing to pay me for real estate, because, just like the scruffy guy, I am both likely to have a scheme, and, if I have one, it is likely to be valid. Either way, I have better information about my scheme (regardless of my occupation) than you, so I you should trust me and give me your money. Wait 'til after it's gone to see whether the trust was justified.

    Whatever double secret info GWB might have had, he also had the info that told him that his State of the Union allegations regarding yellow cake were lies, that there was no Al Qaeda connection, that there were no WMDs, and so on.

    Using your test, all criticism stops. Any criticism could be answered with, "He had better information." Don't like GWB's tax policy? Well, he has better information than you do. Don't like his immigration policy? Well, he has better information than you do. And so on.
  • You are not a real estate person, thus your claim to have real estate information of value would have to be proved first. Burden of proof lies on you.

    Though burden of proof lies on the scruffy guy to show you his gun (could just be his finger or a squirt gun) the evidence points to him being in a frame of mind that will likely lead to bodily harm (if not death) to you and you will have to make a judgement call.

    GWB is the president. He has access to super secret Intel. The vast majority of Congress and the previous administration believed the Intel. The yellow cake information was acquired by a known government employee going to a country and saying (publicly), have you been selling yellow cake to Iraq? How do you think they would answer that question?

    You are a lawyer, you know this old joke too:

    Judge to defendant: "Are you aware of the penalty if you are found guilty of perjury?"
    Defendant to judge: "Yes, and it's a lot better than being found guilty of murder!"

    All criticism does not stop. Iraq was not invaded because of a tie between Al Qaeda and Iraq (please cite your source if you want to make the argument) Iraq was invaded because of a failure by Sadam to abide by the UN resolutions (in spirit and deed).
  • Cite my source? Gee, I guess it was foolish of me to say something crazy like an Al Qaeda tie was a justification for the war. Crazy like the people who wrote this,
    this, this, this, and this.

    And you bet criticism stops under your rules. Just like I said: Any time you want to say GWB might have been wriong about ANYTHING, all I would have to do is say, "Well he had access to better information."
  • Bonzaii!!!!111
  • Does Steve even exist? Or is it just you trying to drive me insane?
  • Steve is my neocon alter-ego! W00t!
  • Steve is my neocon alter-ego! W00t!
    I knew it! I started to notice that you would never post at the same time. . . All along, you were just using the alter-ego to enrage me and build up my blood pressure in an attempt to kill me and claim my woman!
  • She claimed ME. It's all because of my special cybernetic enhancement.
  • edited February 2007
    It all comes back to post adolescent posturing, doesn't it?

    Perhaps we should grow cyberantlers and start butting heads?
    Post edited by HungryJoe on
  • Bonzaii!!!!111
    That will never get old.
  • My antler is bigger than yours.
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