Remember Kirkegaard: ""I shall certainly attend your party, but I must make an exception for the contingency that a roof tile happens to blow down and kill me; for in that case, I cannot attend."
So, the smoking rate in the US is about 1/5. As in, 1/5 of the population smokes. Yet, more than half of U.S. children ages 3 to 11 are exposed to secondhand smoke in their homes.
If 1/5 of the nation smokes, and 1/2 children are exposed to smoke in the home, then are families with smokers in-house disproportionately breeding?
Smoking is predominant among low-income people, and also correlates with low IQ, as well as fewer total years of education, according to many studies. All three of these also correlate to larger average numbers of children. It's an interesting circle of correlation.
So, the smoking rate in the US is about 1/5. As in, 1/5 of the population smokes. Yet, more than half of U.S. children ages 3 to 11 are exposed to secondhand smoke in their homes.
If 1/5 of the nation smokes, and 1/2 children are exposed to smoke in the home, then are families with smokers in-house disproportionately breeding?
Smoking is predominant among low-income people, and also correlates with low IQ, as well as fewer total years of education, according to many studies. All three of these also correlate to larger average numbers of children. It's an interesting circle of correlation.
Or your numbers are off.
Or take it this way, if one in five people in the US smoke and you are a family of 4 there is a good chance one of you smokes.
Smoking is predominant among low-income people, and also correlates with low IQ, as well as fewer total years of education, according to many studies. All three of these also correlate to larger average numbers of children. It's an interesting circle of correlation.
I would first like to introduce a quote by the band Flagpole Sitter:
Been around the world and found That only stupid people are breeding The cretins cloning and feeding And I don't even own a tv
Average life expectancy is much higher in cities than in the boonies.
Where is the study? I've done a comparative cadaver dissection and city air pollution alone had a noticeable negative effect on the lungs. City life also increase stress. Stress reduces life expectancy. You can argue about the quality of life, but living in a city doesn't increase your life expectancy.
Stress reduces life expectancy. You can argue about the quality of life, but living in a city doesn't increase your life expectancy.
I would guess that living in a city correlates with wealth, which correlates with long life and happiness. An equally wealthy person living in the wilderness would likely live longer I'd wager.
Poverty is now growing faster in urban than in rural areas. One billion people live in urban slums, which are typically overcrowded, polluted and dangerous, and lack basic services such as clean water and sanitation.
Rapidly growing cities in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are often seen as presenting among the world's most intractable problems in terms of improving health. This is especially so their for low income citizens, whose tenements and squatter settlements are among the world's most life threatening living and working environments. Rapid urbanisation may even be considered to be "a problem." But rapid urbanisation is usually associated with economic success...
Not all cities are NYC. The projects ain't the best but are significantly different then a South African urban slum.
That same tide of wealth NYC is riding right now may cause an influx of people then the city can support. Thuse causing it's eventual implosion. OR something like that...
Summary: Rich people have it great wherever they go. Poor people live in cities too and it sucks.
Scrym are getting dangerously close to "stupid indignant person" country with their anti-smoking obsession. People smoke. People always will smoke. Get over it.
As far as the implications that only stupid, poor people smoke and that Scrym is way too smart and certainly way too WEALTHY to allow their smart, young, wealthy alveoli to ever become besmirched with demon second hand smoke . . . do you really want to be those guys? Really?
A gentleman never lords his wealth over his friends. Perhaps you're going for a roundabout "Let them breathe smoke" reference? You're not quite as arrogant as 18th century French aristocracy, but you're on your way.
Stress reduces life expectancy. You can argue about the quality of life, but living in a city doesn't increase your life expectancy.
I would guess that living in a city correlates with wealth, which correlates with long life and happiness. An equally wealthy person living in the wilderness would likely live longer I'd wager.
What if someone just basked in the reflected glory of your vast wealth and god-like wisdom and knowledge? Could they then expect to live longer, happier, wiser, wealthier, more smoke-free lives?
No, I'm worried more that the people most likely to smoke are possibly also those most unable to afford either it or health care. It's a powerful addiction: someone over the poverty line with children who smokes is spending substantial portion of their income on the habit, which is painfully difficult to break, harming their own children (likely more from the reduced total income than from the smoke). Smoking expenses appear to be, by and large, non-elastic due to the supremely addictive nature of the habit, whereas less physically addictive vices, hobbies, or forms of entertainment can more readily be cut back when one's money situation becomes dire.
A gentleman never lords his wealth over his friends.
I would call Rym and Scott Many things, But Not Gentlemen.
No, I'm worried more that the people most likely to smoke are possibly also those most unable to afford either it or health care.
I can afford healthcare.
It's a powerful addiction: someone over the poverty line with children who smokes is spending substantial portion of their income on the habit, which is painfully difficult to break
You're goddamn right - I'm cutting down at the moment, in preparation to quit entirely, and it is really goddamn hard. Admittedly, there are things to help you quit smoking, but I'll be honest, most of them don't help that much, and are vastly unpleasant.
I haven't had to deal with the disgusting smell of smokers in my personal life, and barely in my public life, for many years. It's working quite well, and I plan to continue.
/No one we are friends with in meatspace smokes. //One person did a little, but quit and stayed well the fuck away when smoking happened
My Aunt taught me to say "Smoking is a dirty and disgusting habit" when I was 3, and I would go over to her boyfriend and say that. It doesn't work so well now that I am grown up. If I say it now, people just think I am a nagging person and not cute.
Scott, what point are you trying to make with that sign? Smoking has (almost) always been condemned by churches and religious authorities, ever since it was brought over to Europe. In fact, Bartholome de Las Casas (who chronicled Columbus' later missions to the Americas) probably started the trend of condemning tobacco smoking as sinful and anti-Christian.
In 1604, King James I wrote, "The habit of smoking is disgusting to sight, repulsive to smell, dangerous to the brain, noxious to the lung, spreading its fumes around the smoker as foul as those that come from Hell." (in latin, of course)
As for smokers with kids, I wholeheartedly agree with you guys that they should either quit, or at the very least not smoke in or near their households. In my opinion, smoking near children is morally repugnant.
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So, the smoking rate in the US is about 1/5. As in, 1/5 of the population smokes. Yet, more than half of U.S. children ages 3 to 11 are exposed to secondhand smoke in their homes.
If 1/5 of the nation smokes, and 1/2 children are exposed to smoke in the home, then are families with smokers in-house disproportionately breeding?
Smoking is predominant among low-income people, and also correlates with low IQ, as well as fewer total years of education, according to many studies. All three of these also correlate to larger average numbers of children. It's an interesting circle of correlation.
Or take it this way, if one in five people in the US smoke and you are a family of 4 there is a good chance one of you smokes.
Been around the world and found
That only stupid people are breeding
The cretins cloning and feeding
And I don't even own a tv
Now on to a more statistical look at things: NCCP: Basic Facts About Low-Income Children
Summary: Being poor sucks. Where is the study? I've done a comparative cadaver dissection and city air pollution alone had a noticeable negative effect on the lungs. City life also increase stress. Stress reduces life expectancy. You can argue about the quality of life, but living in a city doesn't increase your life expectancy.
That same tide of wealth NYC is riding right now may cause an influx of people then the city can support. Thuse causing it's eventual implosion. OR something like that...
Summary: Rich people have it great wherever they go. Poor people live in cities too and it sucks.
Side note: Few Asian smokers try to quit: study... Lets hope this doesn't catch on with American Otaku.
EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
Depressing read.
As far as the implications that only stupid, poor people smoke and that Scrym is way too smart and certainly way too WEALTHY to allow their smart, young, wealthy alveoli to ever become besmirched with demon second hand smoke . . . do you really want to be those guys? Really?
A gentleman never lords his wealth over his friends. Perhaps you're going for a roundabout "Let them breathe smoke" reference? You're not quite as arrogant as 18th century French aristocracy, but you're on your way. What if someone just basked in the reflected glory of your vast wealth and god-like wisdom and knowledge? Could they then expect to live longer, happier, wiser, wealthier, more smoke-free lives?
1915
We made a lot of mistakes in the past.
Or are you saying that smoking is in fact just fine for us?
/No one we are friends with in meatspace smokes.
//One person did a little, but quit and stayed well the fuck away when smoking happened
In 1604, King James I wrote, "The habit of smoking is disgusting to sight, repulsive to smell, dangerous to the brain, noxious to the lung, spreading its fumes around the smoker as foul as those that come from Hell." (in latin, of course)
As for smokers with kids, I wholeheartedly agree with you guys that they should either quit, or at the very least not smoke in or near their households. In my opinion, smoking near children is morally repugnant.