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  • edited October 2011
    Conservative blogger decides to hack into OWS e-mails and send them to NYPD and FBI. So, it's okay to infiltrate a movement and start illegally hacking e-mails and sharing them with authorities, you say? Just wait until Anonymous finds this arrogant, taunting douchebag. As a bonus, the leaked e-mails have one thing in common: they're common and boring. Basically they are just shots from various people agreeing on meeting spots or chitchatting back and forth about how to get more people involved. I wonder how much scato-pedo-homo-illegal porn, racism, and other filth would show up in this moron's private e-mail. Hopefully, we'll find out soon.
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  • edited October 2011
    Conservative blogger decides to hack into OWS e-mails and send them to NYPD and FBI. So, it's okay to infiltrate a movement and start illegally hacking e-mails and sharing them with authorities, you say? Just wait until Anonymous finds this arrogant, taunting douchebag. As a bonus, the leaked e-mails have one thing in common: they're common and boring. Basically they are just shots from various people agreeing on meeting spots or chitchatting back and forth about how to get more people involved. I wonder how much scato-pedo-homo-illegal porn, racism, and other filth would show up in this moron's private e-mail. Hopefully, we'll find out soon.
    In the future of our society lack of technological competence will have increasingly dire consequences no matter what you are fighting for. Take for example http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/hacked/8673/.

    This guys wife had her Gmail hacked. Not only did it send spams to all her friends asking them for money that she was lost in a foreign country, but they also deleted all her emails. He was only able to get them rescued because he knew people at Google, who otherwise don't offer tech support.

    Take security seriously even with your everyday boring shit. Use complicated hard to remember passwords. Use a different one for each site. Use encryption. If there's no SSL, or it's broken, don't type anything. Use two-factor authentication if available. It's a pain in the ass for you, yes. But it will be worth it compared to the pain in the ass of being haxed.
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  • This guys wife had her Gmail hacked. Not only did it send spams to all her friends asking them for money that she was lost in a foreign country, but they also deleted all her emails. He was only able to get them rescued because he knew people at Google, who otherwise don't offer tech support.
    Aside from security, I don't understand how people can lose all their emails like this. Emails are bits of data. If data is important, back it up! And with emails this is super easy to do! Especially with gmail. I have every email I received since 1998 saved either on my laptop or on an external hard drive (and those are backed up too). If you don't want to download every email to save it, just set up email forwarding to another web email provider, and they'll be saved there too.

    Finally, if I lose control of my gmail account, I still have luke@lukeburrage.com and luke@juggler.net as two other main email addresses. They both point at gmail at the moment, but it is trivial to redirect them to another account so I can keep receiving emails.
  • Aside from security, I don't understand how people can lose all their emails like this. Emails are bits of data. If data is important, back it up! And with emails this is super easy to do! Especially with gmail. I have every email I received since 1998 saved either on my laptop or on an external hard drive (and those are backed up too). If you don't want to download every email to save it, just set up email forwarding to another web email provider, and they'll be saved there too.

    Finally, if I lose control of my gmail account, I still have luke@lukeburrage.com and luke@juggler.net as two other main email addresses. They both point at gmail at the moment, but it is trivial to redirect them to another account so I can keep receiving emails.
    You are in the extreme minority. Despite constant reminders people do not secure their shit, and do not back up their shit until after they have been burned.
  • Conservative blogger decides to hack into OWS e-mails and send them to NYPD and FBI. So, it's okay to infiltrate a movement and start illegally hacking e-mails and sharing them with authorities, you say? Just wait until Anonymous finds this arrogant, taunting douchebag. As a bonus, the leaked e-mails have one thing in common: they're common and boring. Basically they are just shots from various people agreeing on meeting spots or chitchatting back and forth about how to get more people involved. I wonder how much scato-pedo-homo-illegal porn, racism, and other filth would show up in this moron's private e-mail. Hopefully, we'll find out soon.
    Why does anyone care that he did this? Also why is counter-protesting suddenly a no go?
  • Why does anyone care that he did this? Also why is counter-protesting suddenly a no go?
    I don't think anyone really cares, aside from the hypocrisy angle.
  • I was reading the "We are the 99%" blog, but I had to stop because I was getting so angry. When people in your country cannot get assistance to get insulin, the system has broken and needs to be torn down. Good lord.
  • edited October 2011
    I was reading the "We are the 99%" blog, but I had to stop because I was getting so angry. When people in your country cannot get assistance to get insulin, the system has broken and needs to be torn down. Good lord.
    [sarcasm]Hey, if they can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get their own damn medicine they should probably just die.[/sarcasm]

    One of my friends and I were talking pretty in-depth about this entire situation last night (perhaps ironically, we were on our way to a gun shop). The best we can tell, it appears to have been an incredible bit of social engineering on the part of the "powers that be". You defund education over a period of a dozen years, meanwhile investing heavily in propaganda (ie. Fox News) that makes strong appeals to emotion rather than rationality. Then, when the next generation has graduated High School with less than stellar critical thinking skills, you bombard them with the messages that we're seeing now. That the status quo is perfect, lower taxes improves your way of life, and anything to the contrary is an attack against your core values. It's a beautiful piece of strategy.

    That's kind of why I think the entire 99% thing is important. More than anything else, I hope it shows people that these sort of living conditions are not OK, and it is perfectly acceptable to protest and be upset at these things. Moreso, you should be angry since what is happening here is completely avoidable.

    EDIT: Fixed tags
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  • One of my friends and I were talking pretty in-depth about this entire situation last night (perhaps ironically, we were on our way to a gun shop). The best we can tell, it appears to have been an incredible bit of social engineering on the part of the "powers that be". You defund education over a period of a dozen years, meanwhile investing heavily in propaganda (ie. Fox News) that makes strong appeals to emotion rather than rationality. Then, when the next generation has graduated High School with less than stellar critical thinking skills, you bombard them with the messages that we're seeing now. That the status quo is perfect, lower taxes improves your way of life, and anything to the contrary is an attack against your core values. It's a beautiful piece of strategy.
    The version of that on the right blames the teacher's union for fighting progress in the name of saving "over paid" teachers and union elected politicians. The left takes over the teaching industry and fills the youth with lefty thoughts. Eventually everything goes left because the kids are taught those ideals from day one in school.

    Strong appeals to emotion? As soon as you bring emotions (or morality) into a debate you have already lost. Which is why I can't debate the health care issue with most people because they immediately fall back on the emotion/morality argument to support the desire for universal health care. That's like my kid telling me she needs a car because she really really really wants it and I'm a dick if I don't buy her one (cause all of her cool European friends have them). She may truly need one but if the only reason she can give me is based on emotion rather than logic she's not going to get one.

    Yeah... Poor education only helps the status quo remain where they are. However, everyone should not need to have a college degree to make it in this world either.
  • The version of that on the right blames the teacher's union for fighting progress in the name of saving "over paid" teachers and union elected politicians. The left takes over the teaching industry and fills the youth with lefty thoughts. Eventually everything goes left because the kids are taught those ideals from day one in school.
    My overwhelming reaction to this is "lolwut".
    Yeah... Poor education only helps the status quo remain where they are. However, everyone should not need to have a college degree to make it in this world either.
    I agree to a point. College education should provide useful skills for those fields where it's needed, but your point is well taken. It might be a conspiracy theory-esque opinion, but without embedding critical thinking skills in all levels of education and teaching kids to examine things and draw their own conclusions (rather than accept everything they're told by an authority figure or persuasive emotional argument) you make it easier for motivated parties to take advantage of this.
    Strong appeals to emotion? As soon as you bring emotions (or morality) into a debate you have already lost. Which is why I can't debate the health care issue with most people because they immediately fall back on the emotion/morality argument to support the desire for universal health care. That's like my kid telling me she needs a car because she really really really wants it and I'm a dick if I don't buy her one (cause all of her cool European friends have them). She may truly need one but if the only reason she can give me is based on emotion rather than logic she's not going to get one.
    Again I kind of agree with this, appealing to emotion makes for a pretty weak argument. However, it's really hard for me to understand why it's a bad thing to bring morality into it when talking about universal healthcare, since the economic arguments tend to not resound so well with the people I'm talking to. When they start saying crap like "I don't think poor/lazy people should get the same access to healthcare as productive members of society." it shows that they're not concerned with making sure we can track impending epidemics as they begin to affect the most vulnerable sectors of society, they've already moved to a moral argument themselves. So I tend to get really pissed off, as you're talking about letting real human beings with their own minds/emotions/experiences suffer pain or death.
  • As soon as you use emotion and morality your opponent is free to do the same. Stick to facts and logic and all they can counter with is the same.

    There are enough facts for a universal health care system that you don't have to go anywhere else.
  • Wedding photos taken with protesters at Occupy Cincinnati
    And what I found to be a very good account of what is going on, this guy's blog. He didn't know exactly what was going on inside the OWS protests, so he just up and went.
  • It was an interesting read. It did amuse me that a lot of the comments revolved around pooping on cars.
  • I found a good alternative viewpoint. Check it out.
  • That guy completely looks over the fact that Wall-street has always had a large and growing influence on our government. We will never be able to reform government while that money flows into it from Wall-street and other big corporations.

    The Tea-Party is flawed in it's thinking in that we are taxed some of the lowest rates of all time and that is part of the reason we have such a big deficit.
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  • That guy completely looks over the fact that Wall-street has always had a large and growing influence on our government. We will never be able to reform government while that money flows into it from Wall-street and other big corporations.

    The Tea-Party is flawed in it's thinking in that we are taxed some of the lowest rates of all time and that is part of the reason we have such a big deficit.
    Shouldn't this movement be to ditch the representative government in favor of democracy?
  • Shouldn't this movement be to ditch the representative government in favor of democracy?
    I'm a die-hard atheist, but I pray that we never have full direct democracy in this country. Ever.
  • I'm a die-hard atheist, but I pray that we never have full direct democracy in this country. Ever.
    Hell, I'd even be worried if you got your hands on our voting system.
  • edited October 2011
    Shouldn't this movement be to ditch the representative government in favor of democracy?
    I'm a die-hard atheist, but I pray that we never have full direct democracy in this country. Ever.
    But Pete, surely everyone knows that bills should only be signed into law once their appointed NASCAR stock car wins the selected amount of races, as well as the Semiannual Senatorial American Idol Road Rally to deliver deep-fried butter and McDonald's to the home of whichever woman has had the most babies in a single pregnancy recently.

    In the words of Winston Churchill, "It is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
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  • Shouldn't this movement be to ditch the representative government in favor of democracy?
    I'm a die-hard atheist, but I pray that we never have full direct democracy in this country. Ever.
    I wouldn't want that either but it seems to be exactly what these protesters are protesting for, even if they don't realize it

  • I wouldn't want that either but it seems to be exactly what these protesters are protesting for, even if they don't realize it
    I doubt a majority would agree they are protesting to make a wikiocracy. A lot of them may say our representative government needs major overhaul because money buys so much influence.

  • I wouldn't want that either but it seems to be exactly what these protesters are protesting for, even if they don't realize it
    I doubt a majority would agree they are protesting to make a wikiocracy. A lot of them may say our representative government needs major overhaul because money buys so much influence.
    Not a bad first post. Welcome.
  • OCCUPY CORUSCANT!
    For the past thirty years, the Galactic Empire has strangled human and alien rights, slashed taxes for the rich, and expanded the military-industrial complex!
    Did you know that Kuat Shipyards payed zero credits in taxes last year?
    WAKE UP SHEEPLE! The Imperial Senate is controlled by Palpatine! He got us involved in a pointless war with the Rebel Alliance that is costing our economy quadrillions!
    Wages haven't gone up since the Empire was founded, but the CEOs of Sienar Fleet Systems, Czerka, Golan Arms and Xizor Transport Systems all received substantial bonuses and wage increases last year, despite the galatic recession!
    And none of us have seen a decacredit of the money that bailed out the InterGalactic Banking Clan, but they continue to foreclose on planets that, legally, they don't even own!
    OCCUPY CORUSCANT! WE ARE THE 99% (without force powers)
  • YEAH!!!

    Ha, my previous thread on the 1% doesn't seem so crazy now does it.

    I feel so vindicated...

    To all those haters that said and I'm paraphrasing here. "This is America and unequal wealth distribution doesn't happen without the peoples say so...", "The 1% is just a myth...", "Rich people pay the same tax as us..." and "Free market capitalism works..."

    I want to say SUCK IT!
  • edited October 2011
    I feel so vindicated...I want to say SUCK IT!
    I have too many better things to do than tell you exactly why you're misconstruing what people said and why you're still wrong, but I do have ample time to tell you that you are, in fact, still wrong.

    Anyway, here's a cool thing by Lemony Snicket about the protests.
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  • I have too many better things to do than tell you exactly why you're misconstruing what people said and why you're still wrong, but I do have ample time to tell you that you are, in fact, still wrong.
    Just shrug, say to yourself "At least he's not carrying on about "Stop the boats" and move on.
  • I have too many better things to do than tell you exactly why you're misconstruing what people said and why you're still wrong, but I do have ample time to tell you that you are, in fact, still wrong.
    Just shrug, say to yourself "At least he's not carrying on about "Stop the boats" and move on.
    @WindUpBird: Sounds like defeat to me!

    WINNAAAAR!!!

    @Churba: "Pledge in Blood", hollow words from a hollow man. Don't forget Mr Double speak, Joe Hockey "Need to cut interest rates, but can't delay the surplus".

    Finally, bought congress folks... Get angry!
  • @Churba: "Pledge in Blood", hollow words from a hollow man. Don't forget Mr Double speak, Joe Hockey "Need to cut interest rates, but can't delay the surplus".
    You seem to forget, both parties carry on like broken records about stopping the boats. Despite that the vast, vast majority of illegal immigrants actually come in from western countries via plane. Oh, and A-fucking-gain, you forget I don't support Labor Or liberals, but you doubtless assumed I supported one of them, depending on which stance you hold to and therefore which banner you must stick me under when I disagree with you, so that you may more conveniently dismiss all dissenting opinion.
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