Upgrade to Vanilla 2
  • AprecheApreche
    So Vanilla 2 is out. Fully out. Not beta, it's for real. You can see an example of it on http://dorf.frontrowcrew.com/forum/ I'm not going to upgrade this forum right away, yet. But eventually. If anyone has any legitimate reasons as to why I should not do so other than "I hate change" this is your chance.
  • NeitoNeito
    This may sound kinda stupid, but you're going to import all the old posts into the new forums, right?
  • SonicSonic
    Any forum system worth it's salt will allow a seamless in-place upgrade.

    Here's my question, will this theme still be useable? The theme in your demo is not every easy on the eyes.
  • NeitoNeito
    Sonic said:

    Any forum system worth it's salt will allow a seamless in-place upgrade.

    It's fairly seamless (I'm updating my forum now), I just felt compelled to ask.

    EDIT: Oooohhhh, Vanilla 2 comes with the Gravatar plugin by default....

    EDIT2: FAIL. One of my discussions seems to have something weird about it, preventing me from upgrading.
  • Li_AkahiLi_Akahi
    Personally, I think you should upgrade as soon as possible.
  • JasonJason
    Is there a need to upgrade other than the "oooh, shiny" factor?
  • NeitoNeito
    Jason said:

    Is there a need to upgrade other than the "oooh, shiny" factor?

    They're going to stop supporting Vanilla 1.x soon, in all likelyhood, so if there's a security hole it won't get fixed.
  • SailSail
    Apreche said:

    "I hate change"

  • AprecheApreche
    Sonic said:

    Here's my question, will this theme still be useable? The theme in your demo is not every easy on the eyes.

    Go to the Vanilla web site and see if any of the themes there catch your fancy. Warning, though, I won't install a theme that isn't slick and professional. If it's all shlocky and Myspacy, forget it.
    Neito said:

    They're going to stop supporting Vanilla 1.x soon, in all likelyhood, so if there's a security hole it won't get fixed.

    This.
  • NeitoNeito
    Having gotten Vanilla 2 set up on my own site, I have to say... Love it. One feature that's going to really be helpful here with the way people post is the gmail-like autosaved drafts of posts.

    Also, what colors make up the themes that you would consider good? I tend to like darker, white-on-black themes rather than black-on-white.

    Although I really like the default theme for 2.0.
  • ChurbaChurba
    I can't think of any convincing reason not to upgrade, as long as you're confident you have all your ducks in a row.
  • OmnutiaOmnutia
    I'm not that fussed. New ones seems much like the old one, just add the tag buttons back in and that should be enough.

    Sail said:

    Apreche said:

    "I hate change"

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    Sonic said:

    Here's my question, will this theme still be useable? The theme in your demo is not every easy on the eyes.

    What problem are you having with the theme on the DORF forum? If you were looking at it in a dark room, then everything non-black is going to be hard on the eyes.
  • SonicSonic
    Univers said:

    Sonic said:

    Here's my question, will this theme still be useable? The theme in your demo is not every easy on the eyes.

    What problem are you having with the theme on the DORF forum? If you were looking at it in a dark room, then everything non-black is going to be hard on the eyes.
    I don't make a habit of using a computer in a dark room. Eye strain and all that. No, even in a well lit room, the blues have too sharp a contrast against the white. I might just be me, but I don't like it.

    Is it possible just to keep using this theme on the new system?
  • AprecheApreche
    Sonic said:

    Is it possible just to keep using this theme on the new system?

    http://vanillaforums.org/addon/browse/themes/recent/2
  • OmnutiaOmnutia
    Minimalist seems ok, I guess.
  • ......
    Sonic said:

    the blues have too sharp a contrast against the white. I might just be me, but I don't like it.

    Those are some pretty damned soft blues you know. The top bar's the 'worst' of what you claim. So let's agree that your taste just sucks arse.
  • ShiamShiam
    Change is god.
    Though I'm not too fond of the DORF forums colors, I'm far too lazy to care.
  • AndrewAndrew
    After spending time on DORF, I'm 100% for the upgrade.
  • RochelleRochelle
    Is is possible for the search function to let you search for certain things in just an individual thread instead of by the categories? That would be nice.
  • RochelleRochelle
    Love the new enhancements to the "Preview Post" function.

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  • AprecheApreche
    IT'S HAPPENING FOR REALS.

    THIS WEEKEND.

    HALLOWEEN.

    GEEKNIGHTS ANNIVERSARY.

    VANILLA 2.

    IS YOUR BODY READY?


  • ninjarabbininjarabbi
    Awww Shit.
  • SailSail
    I don't like Vanilla 2, but probably gonna be outvoted on this one.
  • NeitoNeito
    The Drafts feature alone makes me like it.
  • AprecheApreche
    Sail said:

    I don't like Vanilla 2, but probably gonna be outvoted on this one.



    Also, whether you like it or not, it is necessary. Vanilla 1 no longer gets updated. Vanilla 2 is necessary so we get security updates, bug fixes, and general modern best practices of computing and webness.
  • RochelleRochelle
    Spoiler tag hidy thingies! Yes!
  • AprecheApreche
    Also, so people are aware, the major change in Vanilla 2 is that you no longer have to do funky YouTube tags. You just paste a YouTube link without any tags or extra bits like so.



    I'm currently writing a script to go and update every post ever accordingly.

    Also, polls, not sure if they will survive. Investigating. Everything else should be fine.
  • NeitoNeito
    When I last checked Van2 there was shit for quote plug-ins. Have you been able to test any of the ones that are out right now to see if they're not shit?
  • SailSail
    My main complaint is that it completely does away with Whispers or PMs of any type. There's also no quoting. I understand the necessity to update based on security, but I do think it's really going to change the dynamic of our discussions to not be able to quote certain points and reply to them in the way that we're used to.

    [Edit] Ninja'd.
  • AprecheApreche
    Sail said:

    My main complaint is that it completely does away with Whispers or PMs of any type

    I'm not sure this is true. Also, use e-mail or whatever. Forums are for public discussion. For private discussion, use something else.

    Also, there is a quoting plugin. Your pyramids are secure.
  • KapitänTimKapitänTim
    Is this an April Fools joke? I think I remember you guys saying that the only way to actually trick people is to do it on non April Fools day.
  • ApsupApsup
    Apreche said:

    Also, there is a quoting plugin. Your pyramids are secure.

    If this is true I accept the change no matter what other things the upgrade breaks. Long live the pyramids.
  • OmnutiaOmnutia
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  • George PatchesGeorge Patches
    Apsup said:

    Apreche said:

    Also, there is a quoting plugin. Your pyramids are secure.

    If this is true I accept the change no matter what other things the upgrade breaks. Long live the pyramids.
    Long live the pyramids!
  • Luke BurrageLuke Burrage
    George Patches said:

    Apsup said:

    Apreche said:

    Also, there is a quoting plugin. Your pyramids are secure.

    If this is true I accept the change no matter what other things the upgrade breaks. Long live the pyramids.
    Long live the pyramids!
    No, down with pyramids!
  • AprecheApreche
    Luke Burrage said:

    George Patches said:

    Apsup said:

    Apreche said:

    Also, there is a quoting plugin. Your pyramids are secure.

    If this is true I accept the change no matter what other things the upgrade breaks. Long live the pyramids.
    Long live the pyramids!
    No, down with pyramids!
    Ziggurats FTW
  • ColdguyColdguy
    As someone who uses his phone to post in the forums sometimes, I can't wait.
  • RuffasRuffas
    What's different about the vanilla 2s besides getting the security updates and real, non-white text spoiler tags?
  • SailSail
    Every user gets a comment wall on their profile for messages, and you get notifications if someone @ replies you. Also a mobile view. That's pretty much it aside from the layout changes.
  • RochelleRochelle
    Sail said:

    Also a mobile view.

    Yes. That would be awesome, even though I haven't had too much of a problem with the forums using Safari.
  • YoshoKatanaYoshoKatana
    Although I really like inline whispers, I guess I won't be too miffed about losing them. Also, mobile view for the win.
  • AndrewAndrew
    No one EVER inline whispers me. WTF :(
  • AprecheApreche
    YoshoKatana said:

    Although I really like inline whispers, I guess I won't be too miffed about losing them. Also, mobile view for the win.

    I don't know if the whispers are actually lost. I will investigate. We might just need patience. Not every feature will be revived immediately, but it will be serviceable. I will add more stuff later as the need arises, and I have time to do so.
  • SailSail
    Andrew said:

    No one EVER inline whispers me. WTF :(

    That's because we all inline whisper about you ;D
  • OmnutiaOmnutia
    Lets just wipe it and start again.
  • SailSail
    Omnutia said:

    Lets just wipe it and start again.

    Nooooo, I search archives all the time. There's so much useful info on here.
  • RochelleRochelle
    Is there a better search function with the new upgrade? As in I want to search for a certain post by a certain user in a certain thread instead of all posts by a user? That would be nice.
  • Luke BurrageLuke Burrage
    Omnutia said:

    Lets just wipe it and start again.

    I was once on a forum that did this. After the wipe, about half the people never returned. Also it went from a Vanilla forum to some kind of Phpbb board, and the Mechanism Design lecture example held up completely. The entire tone of the forum changed, and I only stuck about for a few weeks.

    Then I discovered this forum, and have been chatting here ever since.
  • AprecheApreche
    Omnutia said:

    Lets just wipe it and start again.

    I thought about this. Here is the problem. This forum exists at forum.frontrowcrew.com. Even if we start fresh, I don't want to lose this data. I would have to turn this forum off and put it in archive mode (no new posts) and start a new blank forum elsewhere. Elsewhere means not forum.frontrowcrew.com. And because the forum runs PHP, but frontrowcrew.com runs django, it can't be at frontrowcrew.com/forum without me installing a load balancer or http proxy or other stuff I don't want to do. forum2.frontrowcrew.com is no good. The vanilla 1 to Vanilla 2 export/import is very good and gets us 99% of the way there, and it handles the redirects for the old URL patterns.

    Rochelle said:

    Is there a better search function with the new upgrade? As in I want to search for a certain post by a certain user in a certain thread instead of all posts by a user? That would be nice.

    The current search functionality lets you do that. Read this document. http://lussumo.com/docs/doku.php?id=vanilla:users#advanced_searching
    Luke Burrage said:

    I was once on a forum that did this. After the wipe, about half the people never returned. Also it went from a Vanilla forum to some kind of Phpbb board, and the Mechanism Design lecture example held up completely. The entire tone of the forum changed, and I only stuck about for a few weeks.

    I was looking at Vanilla 2 add-ons and there was one that added post counts that was extremely popular. You can trust we will never do that shit.

    Also, if Vanilla 2 fails hard and is beyond repair, we can always roll it back! We'll just lose whatever posts we made on Vanilla 2 FOREVER.
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