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It just always seems to be the OTHER team that has their shit together and have a moderate level of cooperation. At the very least they come to destroy the generator in pairs. But that's the problem with every online game. If two people out of the whole team are cooperating and communicating, they will dominate the match.

Oz said:

I meant in terms of accessibility, not from a technical standpoint.

Dear god, if "release" means little more than "accessible" to you then you're part of the problem where games are released before they are actually ready and working properly in favour of shipping/released on a certain date.

Lord Mordrek said:

It just always seems to be the OTHER team that has their shit together and have a moderate level of cooperation. At the very least they come to destroy the generator in pairs. But that's the problem with every online game. If two people out of the whole team are cooperating and communicating, they will dominate the match.

The only reason why they seem to have a level of cooperation when assaulting your generator is because EVERY PAY-2-WIN ASSHOLE RESORTS TO EASY CREDITS FARMING BY GOING INVISIBLE AND BLOWING UP THE GENERATOR WHILE NOBODY ON THE ENEMY TEAM LISTENS TO THEIR ENGINEER TRYING TO KEEP THE BASE RUNNING WHEN HE ASKS FOR ONE SINGLE FUCKING JAMMER TO BE PUT DOWN. The number of matches I've lost just because the fucking sentinel is a static environmental object after he has placed his claymore and jammer 2 feet away from where he spawned is ridiculous. In the same vein, the two times one of those dicks listened after yelling for a fucking jammer the game was won from being behind in caps.

Infiltrators, raiders and brutes/juggernauts rushing the enemy genroom at map start is the default low-rank tactic because that's where their gold gives them the largest advantage.

Also the retardation of some teams. 6 pathfinders, seriously? IGNORING the fact that there's also a bunch of infiltrators on the team, 6 pathfinders is retarded, especially when all they do is fly over the empty enemy flagstand to feed the mini turrets placed around. Retards are retards.

Creamsteak said:

Coordinated tribes is something I havn't ever really experienced. It was always my dream, but I've never really experienced something like an actual coordinated assault on an indoor base. The closest I've gotten is a fully loaded dropship drop... and as soon as everyone got out it turned to total chaos.

Go watch the 4chan vs. reddit games. There's an Hi-Rez employee who's job it is to manage e-sports and thus exhibition matches are done. They can be very interesting.

EDIT: Now that the ranting's over, how 'bout some Tribs: Abscond.
Why, what a jolly-good idea. But such is to be expected from a glorious godlike being such as me, ehcerpA.

So somebody tell me if this game is good or crap. I'm already majorly skeptical because of the free to play nature, but I've been kicking myself for ages, having never gotten into Tribes when it was big. Should I actually play this one?

Apreche said:

Matt said:

So somebody tell me if this game is good or crap. I'm already majorly skeptical because of the free to play nature, but I've been kicking myself for ages, having never gotten into Tribes when it was big. Should I actually play this one?

From what I've played, it's as real Tribes as you are going to get nowadays. But the F2P ruins it as an actual competitive FPS. If you want to experience Tribes, play it for free to check it out. If you want to find an FPS to be your new regular game, play NS2.

This is the sort of answer I was looking for. Life is a bit busy right now so I don't have time for a regular go-to FPS. If I were to jump into NS2 I'd want to spend some real time and be good at it. If it's a pretty good approximation of Tribes (tainted by F2P), then I'm cool with just jumping in for a few nights here and there, dicking around to get the experience, and closing that chapter.

Am I the only one that has frame rate issues with this game? I have a 1gb Nvidia GTX 560m, and it's playing really slowly for some reason.

Xefas said:

I've had a few games where I did pitifully and got 1-2 kills.

This should not be your goal. Get the fuck out of CTF and get your ass on TDM if you want to get frags.

And yes, the bullshit business model choice means no spinfusor for non-paying Soldiers. HURPADURP. But they gotta make money somehow, and a model where new things get released over time means a steady income. Hope they focus more on releasing more skins for money instead of boosters for money.

Apreche said:

They should just have a competitive mode. $50 and get everything. Servers only allow other players who have everything. I would play this.

Actually...I really like that idea. Either play for free, or spend the money you'd spend buying a regular game, and get special things.

Well, except for the fact that inevitably, I'd have to pay a hundred bucks.

trogdor42 said:

I only wish they would just let me pay for it properly!

Very much in agreement on this. The payment options available are just trash. Steam and iDeal have spoiled me.

I am a TF2 focused player, and picked up tribes ascend recently. Played it for about 9 hrs, trying out the three basic classes, and i dont think i will be returning to it.

I have a few problems basically, and ill list them:

Unrecognizable Silhouettes for the classes: unlike tf2 which defined their characters and class designs so well and distinctively, i cannot say the same for this game. In tf2 i knew how every single class looked like and could spot them from miles away, all 9 of them after the very first game i played. In tribes ascend, i have no idea what class it is im shooting at half the time, and the speed does not help. Also, this gives me no way to prepare myself for an enemy unless they start shooting. Im sure i will come to recognize all of them in time, but after 9hrs its still difficult to tell a class beyond Light, Medium, or Heavy.

The f2p model on display here is pretty bullshit. They make switching to another class just a pain, from the experience needed to unlock it, and then the weapon loadouts as well have things to be unlocked, like increased ammo capacity. I cant remember how many times ive died to a mirror match simply because i ran out of ammo first, and had no way to counter attack, and had to run away, the guy and whatever guys nearby hounding me relentlessly. Or the times i wished the soldier i was playing had that spinfusor gun instead of a bloody rifle.

Being able to see enemy health: promotes killing and convergence on single wounded targets. In Tf2, only the Spy has this ability and it suits his playstyle and character as a support class. In tribes, with everybody seeing everyone's health, there is further incentive to pull focus away from objectives, it promotes bad games where new players are constantly getting focused down on by enemies. It makes survival in the field almost impossible if you're down to half health or less (from my experience)

Generator defense and skiing feel like two different game modes on one map. In tf2, the engineer was a class that was instrumental in most defences, his sentry was something that you normally cannot take down alone, teleporters and dispensers both provide support as well as pushing the front line. Being an engineer was important, and involving, having an engineer on your team MEANT your defences were much more solid, that the team had more gadgets and options to push the enemy with. In tribes, nobody wants to play defence. Its static, its not fun, and the technician is hardly able to defend the generator alone with his light sentry gun when all the heavy classes just make a beeline for the generator room. In my time on tribes, i unlocked the Doombringer class, and found myself constantly defending the generator from attacks instead of the flag, simply because the generator powered, EVERYTHING. WHY DOES IT POWER EVERYTHING? WHY does the abilities or items of a class like the doombringer or technician have to be tied to the generator as well? It makes no sense! If that was the case, we'll need at least two dedicated players on defence, one on flag, one in generator room. As it is, its hard enough finding one, or players willing to use their credits to upgrade stuff. Defending the generator is not a fun thing, especially when you know you could be out there going 200miles an hour or something. As a more passive player i was glad to take a defensive role, but even a doombringer cannot stand against two of those juggernaut dudes lobbing in mortars after mortars. Unlike the engineer in tf2, whose sentry alone could provide the deterrence, in Tribes, heh, theres nothing.

No health packs. Maybe im just not used to this kind of Halo esque regenerative health system, but it just takes out a dimensionality of the game. In tf2, a wounded player being chased by another, could turn the tables if he found a health pack and suddenly counterattacked. Or it two players are dueling near a health pack, and suddenly, it becomes a race to see if one or the other can get the health pack first and secure a huge advantage. In tf2, knowing where the health packs and ammo are on the map is important, especially for classes like the Spy. In tribes its just a shooting gallery really, are there any up front strategies and environmental factors you can use, beyond jump jets and high/low grounds, not really. Unless of course you're in a building.

For what it is worth, i found the skiing to be great fun, but it did quickly lose its novelty. There are intricacies to managing it, and ive tried to actively look out for my power and speed all the times, and i am sure i would have gotten better if i had stuck with it.

Here's how I treated it: The game, vanilla, is a demo. Pay ~$30, enough to get all the classes and some extra stuff, for the real game. At which point, it feels balanced enough to have a good time without bitching about others being OP.

Tl;dr, Tribes Ascend is $30. Dealwithit.

Rym said:

Not to insult you, but here is how I read that wall of text.

The problem with Super Mario Brothers is that I don't have the AWP and everyone just goes after the princess.

I assume that the generator and flag business was there from the classic tribes game. Different likes for different folks, i never played tribes, so i was simply comparing the latest incarnation to a game i actively played, and that was my experience. It is what is is.

I will admit that slightly better silhouettes is not a bad idea. I think the differences need to be subtle but you should be able to identify "that guy is an engineer" from "that guy is a medium offensive". And you can, sort-of. But it could be slightly more pronounced. That's actually a totally legitimate thing to want.

Creamsteak said:

I will admit that slightly better silhouettes is not a bad idea. I think the differences need to be subtle but you should be able to identify "that guy is an engineer" from "that guy is a medium offensive". And you can, sort-of. But it could be slightly more pronounced. That's actually a totally legitimate thing to want.

The only thing you can really tell right now is if they're skinny, regular, or fat. Within each of those, there is three different classes, all with different roles.

Lord Mordrek said:

It seems to me like they just mashed in all of the most recognizable game mechanics from the old game to draw in fans, but each one is implemented in the worst possible way.

Except the skiing. That works really well.

Would you look at that, a true blue tribes veteran coming in to put the newb in his place. You almost remind me of my sergent back in the army.

You do have valid points, but after 9hrs i can tell it just aint my thing. You guys keep on rockin ;)

lifecircle said:

Would you look at that, a true blue tribes veteran coming in to put the newb in his place. You almost remind me of my sergent back in the army.

You do have valid points, but after 9hrs i can tell it just aint my thing. You guys keep on rockin ;)

I am anything but a Tribes veteran. Never heard about Tribes till well after Tribes 2 was dead. Your arguments are just complete shit and nonsense. And you seem to find yourself on the FRC Forums. You might not be aware of this, but people argue against stupid arguments here, and stupid grammar. Mr. Period, who art in binary form, smite this heathen. Or something like that.

 >fuck the mailbox 

FUCK, IT'S STUCK.

As far as the silhouette thing goes, I simply mean a few small details. It did seem easier to identify "engineer pack (deployable or repair)", "jammer pack", "energy pack", "ammo pack", etc. in Tribes/Tribes 2. And the core weapons were all completely different looking... there wasn't a mini disk and a heavier disk... it was blaster, plasma, disk, grenade, laser, chaingun, mortar. And apparently the elf, which I had completely forgotten about. But they stuck out quite a bit more than multiple variants of an assault rifle.

Then again, I only logged a few hours in the Abscond. Great game... not time to play it... terrible business model.

Not realizing this is free-to-play, I almost bought the starter pack on Steam. I would have felt like a terrible person.

Its a great game with a not terrible free to play model. I actually prefer it to the current standard of having to spend a million hours unlocking shit in a regular retail game just to have cool guns for shooting people, because I dont have time for all that crap.

New computer came with a code I don't want. First come first serve.

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Tribes: Ascend GOTY Edition

Very interesting; may actually replace my CS:GO Friday playing for a short while! This is how F2P should be done.