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Gamestop buys Kongregate

edited July 2010 in Video Games
Gamestop bought Kongregate. I hope this doesn't mean bad things for our flash games.

If Gamestop ruins Kongregate, we must build a clone of the old Kongregate.
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  • edited July 2010
    If Gamestop ruins Kongregate, we must build a clone of the old Kongregate.
    Is that going before or after e-commerce? JK, I can totally see how they could turn it shit shaped; charging for games being the first way, messing with the submission system being the second.
    Post edited by ElJoe0 on
  • I can totally see how they could turn it shit shaped.
    Poop is a model of efficiency!!! It's streamlined while maintaining a high surface area to aid in digestion. Unless I ate tacos... Then it's just horrible.
  • I can totally see how they could turn it shit shaped.
    Poop is a model of efficiency!!! It's streamlined while maintaining a high surface area to aid in digestion. Unless I ate tacos... Then it's just horrible.
    "The best thing in the world is pooping. The worst thing in the world is too much pooping." -David Reily.
  • I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing. So far it seems like they bought them, but aren't going to do anything to it yet since they are letting the guys who run it keep running it. But I still have this feeling like they are going to screw it up somehow.
  • I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing. So far it seems like they bought them, but aren't going to do anything to it yet since they are letting the guys who run it keep running it. But I still have this feeling like they are going to screw it up somehow.
    From working at companies that have been bought, it's always a lie. Show me a real world example of a company buying another company and then actually coming through on the promise of not doing anything. It doesn't exist. They always say they're going to leave it alone, and they never do.

    The only example you might come up with is Disney buying Marvel. However, if you look at the history Disney has a track record of waiting awhile and then messing around with their acquisitions. It's too soon, and that's why they haven't done anything yet.
  • "We hope you've enjoyed your hour of play. To keep playing these games sign up for our premium membership. Only $9.99/month"
  • We hope you've enjoyed your hour of play. To keep playing these games sign up for our premium membership. Only $9.99/month"
    This. Monthly fees on the horizon. Or some sort of free/premium division.

    ...Where will I go to play Don't Shit Your Pants now!?
  • ...Where will I go to playDon't Shit Your Pantsnow!?
    The bathroom, I hope.
  • My concern isn't so much with getting charged to play games on Kongregate, its more that gamestop is going to slip something into the terms of service to take some rights away from the game makers.
  • ...Where will I go to playDon't Shit Your Pantsnow!?
    The bathroom, I hope.
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  • edited July 2010
    ...Where will I go to play Don't Shit Your Pants now!?
    The bathroom, I hope.
    I would hope that he plays it everywhere but the bathroom *removes pants*.
    Post edited by ElJoe0 on
  • edited July 2010
    Not worried at all. 75% of the non-porn internet is already flash game portals. The moment Gamestop does something retarded, designers and players will flock en masse to greener pastures.


    We certainly should be concerned about Google's giant check to Zynga, however.
    Post edited by Schnevets on
  • We hope you've enjoyed your hour of play. To keep playing these games sign up for our premium membership. Only $9.99/month"
    This. Monthly fees on the horizon. Or some sort of free/premium division.

    ...Where will I go to playDon't Shit Your Pantsnow!?
    Oh my god... I am in love with this game. Thank you sir for bringing it to my attention.
  • "There will be web-connected PCs that have downloadable and flash games to play."
    Or you can just buy them at home and never have to leave your couch. Yeah, I'm going to agree with Kotaku, the store of the future is anything but.
  • Or you can just buy them at home and never have to leave your couch. Yeah, I'm going to agree with Kotaku, the store of the future is anything but.
    Gamer lounge, rental service, and pawn shop is probably a good business model. Trying to make your money actually selling videogames in meatspace, probably not.
  • Or you can just buy them at home and never have to leave your couch. Yeah, I'm going to agree with Kotaku, the store of the future is anything but.
    Gamer lounge, rental service, and pawn shop is probably a good business model. Trying to make your money actually selling videogames in meatspace, probably not.
    I was talking more about GameStop having kiosks that allow you to buy downloadable games there that will queue up the download on your system. Why would you even leave the house to do something that can already be done easier at home?
  • I was talking more about GameStop having kiosks that allow you to buy downloadable games there that will queue up the download on your system. Why would you even leave the house to do something that can already be done easier at home?
    Because rather than adapt their business, they're trying to wedge themselves in as a middleman and continue as usual.

    Gamestop is fucked.
  • edited August 2010
    I was talking more about GameStop having kiosks that allow you to buy downloadable games there that will queue up the download on your system. Why would you even leave the house to do something that can already be done easier at home?
    I think the idea is that it's the kind of thing you do once.

    For example, someone doesn't know Steam even exists. They go to a store, and there's a Steam kiosk. They play with it because it has free demos, just like we would play the Nintendo Kiosks in the Toys 'R' Us back in the day. Then they see they can buy the game right there and then for a few dollars. They buy it at the kiosk. It prints out a slip of paper or sends them an email. They go home, they now have Steam and never go to the kiosk again. One brick+mortar stupid person is now converted to buying digital goods.

    The question is why Gamestop, a brick+mortar store, would want to do this.
    Post edited by Apreche on
  • The question is why Gamestop, a brick+mortar store, would want to do this.
    They realize that all-digital distribution is going to be the future of media and they're trying to get people to start getting their digital games from GameStop like they got their physical discs. GameStop is changing up their Edge card and is making it into a point card like grocery stores have, so the more money you spend there, the more coupons and discounts you get. Essentially, they're trying to stay afloat on a sinking ship.
  • RymRym
    edited August 2010
    The question is why Gamestop, a brick+mortar store, would want to do this.
    They have no other ideas. They're flailing in the dark.

    More concerning to me is that Gamestop was the full extension of our right to first sale. Gamestop disappears when first sale rights disappear (since no digital distribution means to date afford us this right). The used market for media is bigger than the new market in the long run, as it will always have a larger library and near zero cost.

    I actually very strongly disagree with Penny Arcade today on the issue.
    I traded in games for a long time, there's probably comics somewhere in the archive about it - you can imagine how quickly my cohort and I consume these things. It was sort of like Free Money, and we should have understood from the outset that no such thing exists. You meet one person who creates games for a living, just one, and it becomes very difficult to maintain this virtuous fiction.
    If a game's sales are hurt by the used market, so what? Physical goods have the same problem. Are they seriously suggesting that, because I can buy a used Pontiac Sunfire cheap, that this somehow is immoral in the face of buying a brand new one for much more money? Are they suggesting that Pontiac should have some interest in what I do with their product after I'm done with it?
    Post edited by Rym on
  • If a game's sales are hurt by the used market, so what? Physical goods have the same problem. Are they seriously suggesting that, because I can buy a used Pontiac Sunfire cheap, that this somehow is immoral in the face of buying a brand new one for much more money? Are they suggesting that Pontiac should have some interest in what I do with their product after I'm done with it?
    This was all addressed in GeekNights Special 14.

    Too long; didn't listen:

    Acts of charity are commendable and encouraged, but not mandatory. If you want to limit yourself to only purchasing new games, and not pirating anything, for the sake of charity towards the creators, good for you. However, other people are not evil, bad, or wrong for not doing so.
  • Acts of charity are commendable and encouraged, but not mandatory. If you want to limit yourself to only purchasing new games, and not pirating anything, for the sake of charity towards the creators, good for you. However, other people are not evil, bad, or wrong for not doing so.
    Should legislation be put in place to force first sale rights to be respected regardless of DRM or other means of preventing it?

    i.e., should Steam be required to allow me to transfer any game I own to any other person who has Steam at any time (obviously disabling my own copy upon completion of the transaction)?

    My answer is yes. I think we need positive legislation protecting first sale for digital goods.
  • My answer is yes. I think we need positive legislation protecting first sale for digital goods.
    yes.
  • edited August 2010
    Does it even matter? The next consoles probably won't have disk media and if they do it will be a secondary thought to all the downloaded content they will provide. We lost first sale rights long ago, we are just watching the swan song.
    Acts of charity are commendable and encouraged, but not mandatory. If you want to limit yourself to only purchasing new games, and not pirating anything, for the sake of charity towards the creators, good for you. However, other people are not evil, bad, or wrong for not doing so.
    I don't know if this applies to the conversation at hand, from what I can tell the conversation isn't about pirating it's about selling something you bought on a secondary market...

    Edit: I don't think there needs to be legislation protecting first sale. If a company adds some sort of protection or incentive to prevent you from re-selling don't buy the product.
    Post edited by Cremlian on
  • We lost first sale rights long ago, we are just watching the swan song.
    We didn't lose the right, we lost the capability. We still have the right, I would argue, and this should be enshrined in law.
    I don't know if this applies to the conversation at hand, from what I can tell the conversation isn't about pirating it's about selling something you bought on a secondary market...
    Secondary market is perfectly legal, yet gives exactly the same compensation to the content creator as piracy per transaction.
  • I think they fell kinda into the same trap the RIAA does: Counting every sale of a used game as a lost sale of a new game.
  • My answer is yes. I think we need positive legislation protecting first sale for digital goods.
    BWHAHAHAHAHA
  • My answer is yes. I think we need positive legislation protecting first sale for digital goods.
    BWHAHAHAHAHA
    Doesn't mean we don't need it. Just means getting it will be difficult. The government doesn't care, the people with money want us to lose the right, and the public is largely indifferent.
  • edited August 2010
    Doesn't mean we don't need it. Just means getting it will be difficult. The government doesn't care, the people with money want us to lose the right, and the public is largely indifferent.
    I just think in this area you are screwed, the games you want to play like NS2 and the like will not have the ability to be resold and you'll buy (and preorder) them anyway. You are screwed, the companies have won this one. Personally I care more about convenience (like Steam) then my ability to resell my games (which I never really did anyway). I think you'll find a majority of people will wave their first sale rights for convenience.
    Post edited by Cremlian on
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