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Lucid Dreaming

edited January 2007 in Everything Else
Upon researching the phenomenon of Deja Vu, I happened upon a wikipedia article about Lucid dreaming. Lucid dreaming is the act of having a dream in which A: you are aware that you are dreaming and sometimes B: You are in control of what happens. I was heavily intrigued by the article and e-book provided and decided to look into brain training to see if I'm able to do this. I was even lead to computer programs that emits specific sound waves to alter your state of mind (these do, in fact, work to a great extent.) What is your opinion on this stuff? Mumbo jumbo or nifty science?
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  • I suffer from chronic night-terrors (like nightmares but far worse) and after years and years of them I now, sometimes, have control over my dreams. I say sometimes because more often than not I wake up before I really gain any sense of control.
  • edited January 2007
    Mood altering sound waves?

    I always wanted to do some research about that sort of thing.

    Well more on how music affects mood.
    Post edited by La Petit Mort on
  • The Program I'm using is Brainwave Generator. I like it a lot, and I'm going to try sleeping with it tonight.
  • Well, if that is what a lucid dream is then I've had one before. I don't know about that Brainwave Generator, its probably just a of bunch of crap. I do believe that music does affect your mood and meditating/yoga type exercises can alleviate stress or anger. My mom is into stuff like that:Yoga, meditating, Feng Shui. And I must say it works and its really relaxing. Along with a cup of tea.
  • Lucid dreaming is 100% science. But products sold to induce it... not so much.
  • deja vu? Didn't we already have a thread about that?
  • This is an entirely different phenomenon from deja vu. I'll look and start that thread back up ^_^'
  • Just make sure you don't eat your friend's cocoa puffs.
  • I once woke up from a dream when I realised it got too weird. As for controlling things it happens to me sometimes if I go back to sleep after waking up.
  • On many occasions I've had a dream That I thought was true. Example:I had a dream that I got a Wii and it was total awesomeness. So when I woke up I went to go play it......and it wasn't there, then I realized it was just a dream.
    Ive also had a dream where something bad happened, and I woke up and I Thought "This sucks." all the while I was kinda in between being awake and REM sleep.
  • I tend to fall asleep a lot while working (on things outside my actual work.) When that happens I have dreams that I'm awake doing the work I was doing while awake, or reading a book.
  • I had a dream where a friend of mine who I have not seen in a while died. The dream was so realistic that I was not completely sure whether or not he had actually died for most of the following day until I saw him online. It was a really creepy feeling, because I knew parts of it were definitely a dream but I could not convince myself fully that he was alive until I said hi to him that night.
  • I succeeded!

    In the dream I’m walking along a river and I notice a rock that is really shiny. It had gold in the rock. I got excited and wanted to get the rock and pull my cell phone out of my pocket so I can get wet. It was not my cell phone. Having no previous recollection of obtaining this different phone, I concluded that I was dreaming and became lucid. I shut my eyes desperately trying to stay asleep… when I opened them, the gold was gone from the rock and I faded out of sleep.

    No cocoa puffs :'(
  • A great movie to see that pertains to lucid dreaming is Walking Life (2001). It was made by the same people who produced A Scanner Darkly, which has that rotoscoping animation style.

    Anyways, I've had several dreams now where I've been able control objects, voices, and people just by thinking about it. It's like you're Jean Grey, except you have to train yourself to control dreams without realizing you're in a dream. Sounds dumb, but in the subconscious, anything's possible. All you have to comprehend in the dream is that you can do whatever you want, but not that you're in an alternate reality. That's what gets you excited. You think, "OMG! I could never do this in real life." So you have to believe the extraordinary is ordinary.

    One of these dreams had me reading a book, and all of a sudden, I heard myself reading without opening my mouth. It's like my mind's mouth was coming through just like any other voice. Concentrating is the key, without thinking too hard. Try running or jumping in the dream, or even talking, so you forget about reality.

    Another one had me on the second level of my house looking down the stairs, and I see a burglar on the main floor. Then I look to the left and there's a plastic gun on the table. I pick it up, try to fire it, doesn't work. Then, I think about it firing, and it does, and the dude gets hit.

    I just downloaded BrainWave. All you mac users out there can download Crossover to run it. It works perfectly, and same for the Linux folks. Can't wait to try this.
  • All very interesting, but seriously: Why the heck should I pay money, take time, or even care about whether I can control what happens in my dreams? I never remember 80% of them, and nothing that happens has any tangible impact on reality except possibly in my own head. I don't get it.

    I do, however, recall an interesting dream like everlight mentioned where I actually dreamed that I woke up, I think I was late for school or something, and then actually woke up. My thoughts upon waking ran something like this:
    "Wait, what? Where am I? Shouldn't I be in school?" *Looks at clock* "Crap, I'm going to be late! Wait. Wait a second... It's Saturday, isn't it? Goddammit, I was dreaming."
  • I think one of the of the first things you have to learn is how to remember your dreams. Really its just a pleasure thing, you can do quite a lot when you get the hang of it. I'm going to learn when I can, always wanted to try flying.
  • I think one of the of the first things you have to learn is how to remember your dreams. Really its just a pleasure thing, you can do quite a lot when you get the hang of it. I'm going to learn when I can, always wanted to try flying.
    Just miss the ground. But yes, I too want to learn how to remember my dreams. I remember none of them. Or I just don't know when I dream and when I am awake.
  • Check out the comic Rarebit Fiends published in the 90s; it's a series of dreams committed to paper. It's pretty weird but worth reading a few issues.
  • First a couple years ago I had Deja Vu nearly once a day. I mentioned this to a Dr. turns out I have Complex Partial Seizures. Some times they were cool, like the opposite of lucid dreams, I was awake and would hear/see things that were not there. I didn't really have any desire to do anything about them until I had one while I was driving. Now I take the medicine, and if it wasn't for the driving thing the medicine is worse than the disease.

    There was a period when I had lucid dreams. When I was preparing for my black belt test I was working out twice a day. I would have these dreams, typical "being chased" dreams. Then I would become aware that it was a dream, stop running and fight. I would fight knowing it was a dream and I couldn't lose. Those dreams were very refreshing, I would wake up ready to take on anything.
  • I would wake up ready to take on anything.
    One of the reasons for wanting to lucid dream. You can practice things you are nervous of as you know you can't fail.
  • I've never been able to remember a lot of my dreams, but there has been a few times where I've been very awake but dreaming and really good dream, then wanting to know what the time is i'll open my eyes and look at the clock, then realising I've lost the dream. Which sucks.

    My internal clock is really good, annoyingly so. I'll wake up at almost the exact right time (most of the time, at least), even minute before my alarm clock goes off. So I must be some-what aware during my sleep. Lucid Dreaming would be pretty cool... jump up in the air and go for a fly or something.
  • I dream pretty much every night and almost always remember them. Actually I think that everyone dreams every night but the problem is just remembering (I might have learned this in class once, I don't know). Anyway, they are almost never logical or sane. And I do quite often realize I'm dreaming and am able to control what I do. When that happens, I usually start flying. Its pretty sweet. I have had a few dreams that came true the next day. It was kind of creepy, but probably a coincidence. Also, if the TV is on while I'm sleeping, my dream "borrows" the sound and I'll have some warped version of the show going on in my head. I have no idea why I'm like that. Most people I know say they rarely dream (or remember dreaming).
  • Actually I think that everyone dreams every night but the problem is just remembering
    Correct. Afaik one dreams to process the things of that day. So, when someone says they don't dream, they mostly mean they just can't remember dreaming.
  • I knew there had to be a topic on lucid dreaming...

    I had my first lucid dream about a year ago. I was dreaming, and somehow came to suspect that I was dreaming. I remembered when a friend was telling me about lucid dreaming years ago. He said that you're supposed to look at your hands to check if you're dreaming, for some reason. I looked at my hands, and they were shimmery and translucent. Suddenly, I was totally lucid and walked around doing stuff. I started reading up on it, and I had a few more in the following months -- I'd fly for a few seconds each time before waking up. Spending a lot of time thinking about lucid dreaming tends to make you lucid dream, in the same way thinking about anything a lot makes you dream about it, I guess.

    A really weird thing is that I read about the WILD technique (Wake Induced Lucid Dream) where you're supposed to stay conscious through the hypnagogic state where you're falling asleep, and go straight into your dreams, still conscious. I've been ALMOST able to do this. My body will feel heavy, like there's a really heavy blanket on me or something. Then, you know when your arm falls asleep? My whole body gets like that. Numb, and vibrating. Then, I often hear something -- once it was music, once I heard a dog next to me -- once I saw someone running toward me out the corner of my eye. Then, if I go REALLY far into it, I'll feel myself falling through the bed. I always wake up before I get into a real dream, though. So disappointing. This happens almost every time I take a nap. Tuttle88 said she sometimes has lucid dreams when she goes back to sleep after waking up. Apparently, lucid dreaming is far more likely in that situation -- the longer you've been awake, the less likely you are to lucid dream.

    Also, anyone ever have sleep paralysis? It's all related, as sleep paralysis is what you pass through in the WILD technique. I used to get this once or twice a year, most of my life. You wake up, or you're falling asleep, and your brain is awake but your body isn't. There's usually an irrational fear associated with it. The Wikipedia article describes it as a "malevolent presence", which I can attest to. I always feel like there's an evil person behind me when I'm sleep-paralyzed . It's really weird, but really interesting when you understand it.
  • You know, as I've finally got my sleep patern back in order, I think I'll try lucid dreaming.
    I have woken up while paralysed a few times. Just spent a while trying to force my eyes open but then just went back to sleep.
  • I've lucid dreamed three times that I remember. I decided to wake up in one, and I won't detail what I did in the other two but I'm sure you can all guess.

    An ex girlfriend of mine actually was able to lucid dream every night. She could remember her dreams pretty well too. She's off getting her doctorate in cognitive science at UC San Diego now.
  • edited April 2008
    I just did some research on programs like that. Programs that claim to "alter your state of mind" and the like. They usually cite "binaural sound waves" as the method, so I looked it up. It seems pretty fishy, in my opinion. The evidence for it is mostly anecdotal, which leads me to believe the whole think is bunk. I'm not a neuroscientist, though, so I haven't seen any experiments on the subject.

    Until I do, then, I'm calling shenanigans. Enjoy your placebo effect.

    (As for lucid dreaming, I've never experienced it to the extent that I could control things. I've become aware, but I mostly just wake up at that time. I have had some realistic dreams, though, which confuse me when I wake up.)
    Post edited by YoshoKatana on
  • Programs that claim to "alter your state of mind" and the like. They usually cite "binaural sound waves" as the method, so I looked it up.
    Oh, those things are definitely BS, but there is something to using sound. Back when I had the luxury of an excess of sleeping time (high school), I would play certain songs every night in my room. Whenever I heard these songs in some other context, I would realize that I was dreaming (or at least do the "am I awake" check). It worked fairly consistently over time.
  • Oh, those things are definitely BS, but there is something to using sound. Back when I had the luxury of an excess of sleeping time (high school), I would play certain songs every night in my room. Whenever I heard these songs in some other context, I would realize that I was dreaming (or at least do the "am I awake" check). It worked fairly consistently over time.
    This is correct, anything you can cause to give yourself a signal that you are dreaming, should be able to bring you into a lucid dream. I usually just logically deduced I was in a dream.. (not a hard thing to do if you ever saw how weird my dreams are) I used to have a lot of lucid dreams but I actually was studying them for a class in high school.

    blah, it's the one thing I hate about being an adult and so busy, Lucid dreaming used to be so fun, now I would rather just get the rest, then work at improving my dreaming.

    Another way to almost instantly have a dream (that you can remember), is to wake up about 2 hours earlier (though it doesn't have to be earlier just easy to pull off with a busy schedule) then you normally would, then stay up for about 40 to 50 minutes and then go back to sleep, You'll almost instantly enter into a REM cycle and have a fairly lucid dream. I've done this many times in the past when I accidentally wake up too early and decide to check the internet and then go back to sleep. It works nearly every time for me.
  • I usually just logically deduced I was in a dream.. (not a hard thing to do if you ever saw how weird my dreams are)
    I would think that would work, but I have crazy dreams all the time, and when I'm in them, I'm usually just going with it. That whole dream-logic thing.
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