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Apocalypse Skills

edited February 2007 in Everything Else
I just finished reading Larry Niven and David Pournelle's Lucifer's Hammer. Now I'm reading The Road by Cormac McCarthy. So I've been thinking about what skills I could trade on in case of apocalypse.

I grew up on a farm and my father is a farrier. So if I survive the apocalypse, I know how to grow corn, wheat, beans, and tobacco, I can maintain livestock, and I know enough about smithing to shoe horses and maybe do some minor ironwork. I could do some near-carpentry if I had to.

My wife Carole has better skills than me. She has been very involved with horses for many years, she has two degrees in animal science, she has experience restoring houses, and she has actual work experience as a vet tech.

So we should be in good shape, especially if the apocalypse allowed for a rebirth of agriculture. Of course, seeing as we live in D.C., we probably wouldn't survive in the first place.

What skills will you rely on and/or trade on?
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  • I will be among the geeks who work to restore the Internets. After it is restored we will use its vast power to get ahead of the game. Either that, or we'll just watch every video on YouTube until we die.
  • Hmm...

    I'm sure all the computer/tech majors on the forum (Rym, Scott, me off the top of my head) could probably hook up some basic communications network be it computer based or some sort of radio network. I personally know some basic wilderness survival techniques such as building shelter or making a fire. I am also pretty proficient at using firearms so self defense would not be an issue. I think the only viable solution would be to find someway to organize people on the forum into a community to survive, or at least everyone who lives on the East Coast. With the combined intelligence we could probably survive in decent conditions.
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    I think that a common theme among all apocalypses would be that electricity would be hard to come by. A community might have some engineers that could build a power station using wind or water power, but that would probably be a pretty long term project.

    A LAN or an intranet maybe, but I think the internets as we know it would be toast.
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  • I play a similar mental game, sometimes. I lay awake at night wondering what would happen if I was suddenly transported to the Dark Ages. I mean, WTF would I be qualified to DO? Here I am a flabby American with some moderate tech skills and a degree in communication. That's not going to get me very far in 1066.

    I wouldn't be able to cook anything, because I wouldn't have some ingredients we take for granted today. I mean, a fucking PBJ sandwich would be impossible! No computers. Nobody would mistake me for a warrior. I know nothing about agriculture. Everything I know about economics and politics would go right out the window. I have no fix-it skills, even with power tools, let alone a hammer and awl. You can't really read for a living. I don't know how to make gunpowder, or smelt metal. I might be able to pass myself off as a crappy sorcerer and become an advisor to somebody important.

    Scary to think how much civilization has changed, eh? Modern Western Man would be pretty much helpless in either of these scenarios.
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    I have no fix-it skills, even with power tools, let alone a hammer and awl. You can't really read for a living.
    I can MAKE a hammer and awl! HAHA!
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  • I think the only viable solution would be to find someway to organize people on the forum into a community to survive, or at least everyone who lives on the East Coast. With the combined intelligence we could probably survive in decent conditions.
    Actually, I'm in not-so-bad shape here too. My family lives in backwoods KY. Carole's family lives in backwoods NH. We are nearly equidistant from each. So we have places to go that might not be devastated and that might still support agriculture, depending on the nature of the apocalypse.
  • Am I the only one that has plans set up for a rural survivalist location in case of a Red Dawn situation? Oh yeah, family farm in BFE Pennsylvania. I spent a lot of time in the woods around my grandparents' farm growing up, and I know them like the back of my ha... hey, where did I get that scar?
  • Jason: You might be able to start a school. Maybe you could be a minstrel. Remember that crappy movie "Reign of Fire"? It was a crappy, crappy movie but it did have one good scene where some guys were reenacting Star Wars to entertain some kids. David Brin, in his book The Postman (much better than the crappy movie), had his hero earning his keep by going from settlement to settlement doing what he remembered of Shakespeare.
  • I would just use my arsenal of hunting rifles, pistols and shotguns, along with my mad military skillz, to form a system not unlike that which we saw in the movie The Postman. Then, when the guy with the donkey and the Shakespeare books shows up, I'll just kill him straight off.
  • I spent a lot of time in the woods around my grandparents' farm growing up
    Then you probably have at least some agriculture skill.
  • So, Joe, I hear you are partial to Shakespeare?
  • I would just use my arsenal of hunting rifles, pistols and shotguns, along with my mad military skillz, to form a system not unlike that which we saw in the movie The Postman. Then, when the guy with the donkey and the Shakespeare books shows up, I'll just kill him straight off.
    What happens when the bullets inevitably run out? Can you make more? Do you have one of those shotgun shell devices? How long would that be useful?
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    So, Joe, I hear you are partial to Shakespeare?
    Yeah, I see where you're going there, but I would be a blacksmith, not a travelling minstrel.
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  • I would just use my arsenal of hunting rifles, pistols and shotguns, along with my mad military skillz, to form a system not unlike that which we saw in the movie The Postman. Then, when the guy with the donkey and the Shakespeare books shows up, I'll just kill him straight off.
    What happens when the bullets inevitably run out? Can you make more? Do you have one of those shotgun shell devices? How long would that be useful?
    A good sky diver ALWAYS packs his own 'chute. Same goes with a hunter.

    My dad was a cop and he ran a custom gun shop in our basement. I've been firing guns since I could hold one steady and I've been packing bullets since before that time.

    Supplies would still be the hard part as eventually I would run out of primers to put in the bullets. Lead I can just recycle from spent rounds, same with the brass. Good thing I also have some muskets and crossbows :)
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    WIP just AIMed me to ask if he can live on the farm when the commies invade. Seeing how successful Nintendo's marketing set-up is, I'm taking pre-orders for residency on the farm. For the low, low cost of $49.95, you, too, can pre-order lodging at Jason's Survivalist Resort in sunny rural Pennsylvania. Make all checks payable to:

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    This Is Not a Scam, OH 12345
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  • HA! I've got two (2) farms to choose from! My main concern is how to navigate out of D.C.

    Of course, everything hinges on the nature of the 'lypse. If it's a plague and we survive, we could probably get out of dodge, and hopefully our farms are isolated enough that they would be relatively unscathed. If it was an asteroid or comet strike, we'd probably have enough warning so that we could get out before the real panic set in.

    If the 'lypse was nucular, we wouldn't have to worry because we'd be the first in line to shuffle off the mortal coil.
  • I'm fairly close to NYC living in the Northwest of CT.
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    Well, good luck with all that. . . Guess I won't be seeing you.
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  • Everything I know about economics and politics would go right out the window.
    Is any of your economics and politics knowledge valuable now?
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    After setting up a decent living arrangement when the bombs fall, number one on my list is to raid the local library for any and all books that might help me survive the nuclear winter. Farming, hunting, fishing, matchstick men making, it all can be found at the library and will help educate me to survive.
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    After setting up a decent living arrangement when the bombs fall, number one on my list is to raid the local library for any and all books that might help me survive the nuclear winter. Farming, hunting, fishing, matchstick men making, it all can be found at the library and will help educate me to survive.
    There was a character in Lucifer's Hammer who successfully negotiated membership in the best farm/ranch in the area based partly on his cache of how-to books. The whole plot of Eternity Road revolved around a quest to find a mythic cache of books.
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  • Farnahm's Freehold by RAH is a good read in regards to "after the bomb" reading.
  • Everything I know about economics and politics would go right out the window.
    Is any of your economics and politics knowledge valuable now?
    Yes. I'm a news writer/editor.
  • With all due repect, I did not like Farnham's Freehold all that much. The dude did have a geat plan, but the ease with which he betrayed his wife was saddening. Also, it got old that he was constantly right about everything and no one else had anything to contribute. I think it would have been more believable that, if he was constantly proven right, the other characters would have eventually began listening to him. That they didn't made them seem like simply strawmen for RAH to use to frame what he thought would be the objections to his ideas so that they could be blasted away by Farnham.

    The time travel near-paradox at the end was ok though.
  • Everything I know about economics and politics would go right out the window.
    Is any of your economics and politics knowledge valuable now?
    Yes. I'm a news writer/editor.
    There you are - people always find news valuable. There was a postman character in Lucifer's Hammer that earned a living by travelling around telling news and carrying messages.
  • I hardly think news would be a viable industry in either 1066 or post-apocalypse 2007. Maybe 10 or so years after the catastrophe, but (if we're talking nukes, here) there would certainly be a period where all information and technology jobs would be worthless. It would be all about security and sustenance.

    Man, am I ever craving a good read of My Side of the Mountain. Anybody else have to read that in second grade? I wanted to be that kid when I was little. Live in a tree, catch fish, make clothing from animal hides...
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    Man, am I ever craving a good read of My Side of the Mountain. Anybody else have to read that in second grade? I wanted to be that kid when I was little. Live in a tree, catch fish, make clothing from animal hides...
    Have you ever seen "Alone in the Wilderness"? It's a film about a guy named Dick Proenneke who just decided to be kind of a hermit in Alaska. He would be the person to emulate. He built nearly everything from scratch. He even built his tools. I strongly recommend both the film and the book that collects his journals.
    I hardly think news would be a viable industry in either 1066 or post-apocalypse 2007. Maybe 10 or so years after the catastrophe, but (if we're talking nukes, here) there would certainly be a period where all information and technology jobs would be worthless. It would be all about security and sustenance.
    Could be. . . I'm just saying that I believe, however early on you attempted it, that people would be willing to pay for information about exactly what happened and to get news about and messages to and from loved ones. The payment might be on the level of a meal and a safe place to sleep, but that might be considered extremely valuable.
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  • The Internet is a very robust distributed system. Other than radio, the Internet will be the most reliable communications network. It will be almost essential for transferring certain types of data. The phone system will definitely go down before the web.
  • The Internet is a very robust distributed system. Other than radio, the Internet will be the most reliable communications network. It will be almost essential for transferring certain types of data. The phone system will definitely go down before the web.
    Wouldn't it depend on other locales having electricity? That is, if a settlement managed to get an electric grid or some such thing up and running, wouldn't the availabilty of the net depend on there being at least one other settlement that had been successful in doing the same thing? And if that one settlement was the only place with electricity, wouldn't they just have an intranet? Or would the resources of the internet that survived be available?

    I guess my question would then be: If a settlement could work up to having electricity, even if they were the only ones with electricity, could the people there listen to GeekNights?
  • I'm certified by the NRA as a Sharpshooter, 1st class. I guess I'll be protecting your asses from the zombie hordes.
    Being a teacher as well, I guess I would be able to develop a curriculum in order to teach the uneducated the skills contained in the brains of those doing other important jobs.
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