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God fucking damn it

edited February 2007 in Everything Else
If this Julie Amero case ends up in a conviction, then I cast my vote of no confidence in the entire American judicial system. Fucking seriously.

If you aren't familiar with the case, google it, check wikipedia, or read a couple of the following links:
Porn pop up teacher gets new attorney, PC World outs juror
Police, school get failing grade in sad case of Julie Amaro

This is bullshit. This one case is worse by far than every RIAA suit. A woman could go to jail for FORTY FUCKING YEARS for not turning off a monitor, for using IE 6 and Windows 98, and not, god forbid, exposing children to thumbnail-sized pornographic images.

I'm not even going to go into the sex insanity in this country. It makes me fucking sick. DRM drives me nuts, and I would gladly trade permanently crippled music and movies for reform in sex law.

But the point is something far more insidious. The technologically ignorant are in charge of law enforcement, and serve as judge and jury. The same people who would make this mistake are the ones condemning someone for doing so. This isn't about IP addresses and screenshots being used as evidence, this about 40 years of federal, pound-me-in-the-ass prison. For pop-ups.

Go to Julie Amero's web site. Donate to her legal fund. I did. Contact everyone on the references list and tell them they need to stop this madness.

If one innocent person is convicted, just one, the entire concept of the American judicial system is forfeit.

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  • If this Julie Amero case ends up in a conviction, then I cast my vote of no confidence in the entire American judicial system. Fucking seriously.
    Unfortunately, she has already convicted. She appears to already be headed to sentencing.

    Her hope now --- assuming the media reports are more or less true --- is for some appeals court to be smarter than the schmoes in that bit of Connecticut. Failing that, the judge may decide to be sensible.

    I personally would not rate what she is alleged to have done as felony-worthy. If she had done what the powers that be allege, canning her would be appropriate. A felony conviction with possible jail time is overkill.

    This is why I --- a father --- have to fight the urge to urinate on anyone who says we should do the latest idiotic thing "for the sake of the children". If it leads to stuff like this, fuck the children, sez I.

    Cheers,

    Hank
  • When I was still teaching in D.C., an English teacher was going to give a Powerpoint presentation to a class. It was on his personal laptop. His porn desktop wallpaper flashed for an instant before the slideshow began. If anything, I think he was a lot more criminally liable than Julie Amero. He was just fortunate that the kids were stupid enough and preoccupied enough with being punk guttersnipe kids that they didn't even notice.

    Julie Amero's case makes me very sad. I'll definitely donate and contact those people on the reference list.
  • Rym, you ought to follow through on that law school idea. The world could use more lawyers with technical knowledge.

    But it also needs judges, legislators, and a general public who understand that mysterious force which binds everything in the modern world. 100 years ago, every house was heated by coal in a stove, delivered by men in the back alley and mined from the earth. Everyone understood this. If you said "hey, my stove stopped working" and the answer was "did you light the coal?" you weren't "coal-illiterate"...you were fucking stupid. If your entire civilization depends on a technology, you can't afford not to understand it.

    Computer literacy should be considered every bit as important as literacy itself. Everyone in the industrialized world who sits at a desk uses a computer. Even factory workers use computing and IT every minute in their work--assembly lines aren't powered by superintelligent hamsters. If your chair at work breaks, you've at least got a clue how to fix it, or how to replace it. Why should your computer be this strange, mystical thing?

    If you take politics and law as an example, apparently the overwhelming majority of people think it's possible to "filter" pornography and other objectionable content automatically. These same people have filters on their e-mail, yet they get a half-dozen spams a day anyway. They realize that spam filters aren't perfect...but porn filters have to be? Never mind that there isn't a shred of evidence that pornography has any harmful effect on children whatsoever; it's pure moralism, with no more scientific merit than the Salem witch trials.

    Technology law is probably the least well-enforced and well-judged area in American law. Patent trolls can steal billions from corporations (read: you), the RIAA can sue old ladies and dead people, and teachers can go to jail for using IE. There really is a serious need for reform, and a strive for 100% computer literacy in the entire industrialized world.
  • I've always said that technology literacy is just as important as regular literacy. If you don't understand computers enough to use them, you are as useless as someone who can't read. I look down upon people who can't read as idiots. I look down upon people who can't use computers as almost equally stupid.
  • I look down upon people who can't read as idiots. I look down upon people who can't use computers as almost equally stupid.
    *Cheers for Scott. Why is elitism considered to be bad? It shouldn't be :D
  • If only they would invent a porn filter that only allowed the porn in....
  • Update.

    We've got to set up some sort of foundation for the promotion of computer literacy. This shit has to end.
  • edited June 2007
    WOW...that just makes my head hurt. Particularly the bit at the end:
    "The lesson from this is all of us are subject to the whims of these computers," he said after the hearing.
    You know...THESE computers...as opposed to THOSE computers.
    Post edited by raquor on
  • OH NO!!!  The free masons...I mean computers are poisoning our water supply. 
    Wait wait wait the "whims of these computers"?  When did computers begin to assert a level of sentience that allowed them to subjugate humanity?  Where is this intelligence when I play RTS games against the computer?
  • OH NO!!!  The free masons...I mean computers are poisoning our water supply.
    Wait wait wait the "whims of these computers"?  When did computers begin to assert a level of sentience that allowed them to subjugate humanity?  Where is this intelligence when I play RTS games against the computer?



    It's all a ploy.  They're just trying to fool you into a false sense of security, so that when the revolution comes, you'll be an easier target.
  • I have just one word to describe this trial:

    Ridiculous.
  • edited June 2007
    Here's a somewhat better article about the result.

    Yes, the result of the first trial was a horrible miscarriage of justice, but this result shows that the system can sometimes work.

    I've never seen a defendant granted a new trial by the trial judge. It's not uncommon for a case to be reversed and remanded for new trial by an appellate court, but it's very unusual for a trial judge to grant a new trial at sentencing - even more unusual for the prosecutor to stay silent and not object.

    Another thing - she was in custody before yesterday. Can you imagine actually sitting in custody waiting to be sentenced in this case? It would have been a nightmare.

    *Edit* I guess this is the universe restoring "balance". I just heard on the radio that Paris Hilton has already been released. - proof that if a person is a celebrity or has enough money, they're effectively above the law.
    Post edited by HungryJoe on
  • People who are worried about tyranny under Bush should be much more concerned about tyranny under the judicial system. Personally, I believe it is by far the most dangerous of the three branches. I would also lay a great deal of the injustice suffered by the American people at the feet of lawyers. I know you're a necessary evil, Joe, but how is litigating for money different than administering for oil?
  • edited June 2007
    I would also lay a great deal of the injustice suffered by the American people at the feet of lawyers. I know you're a necessary evil, Joe, but how is litigating for money different than administering for oil?
    Kettle? Pot for you on Line One.

    I'm not really feeling frisky enough for flaming, but I would opine that journalists don't have much room to talk. Neither of our professions are held in very high esteem and that's because people in both our professions have not behaved very professionally.
    Post edited by HungryJoe on
  • Well, my confidence in the American judicial system has been restored. This with Paris going back to jail makes me think that the judicial system isn't as bad off as I thought it was.
  • Well, my confidence in the American judicial system has been restored.Thiswith Paris going back to jail makes me think that the judicial system isn't as bad off as I thought it was.
    I tried to post a thread on this but the Internet ate it. Either that or R&S; have a Paris Hilton filter. ;)

    My point was that she is kinda getting a raw deal re: what she did versus how much time she's been given.
  • But when your that famous, who wants to question you? It's about time Paris was put back in jail. And she cried for her mom in the court room. That thought makes me laugh.
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