The people behind that altercation appear to have been
1. Well known to the police and locals
2. Looking to start a brawl
3. Engaging in the same sort of "escalate, de-escalate, re-escalate" tactics that WTO protester types use to wear down the police.
4. Attacked a Walmart employee right before the incident shown in the video (this is what caused the police to be called)
These people were there for some time causing constant problems for everyone around them it seems, and they were gunning for a big fight like this. While I am almost always erring on the side of "not a cop," I feel that in this instance the police mistake was not rolling in with a massive presence and available overwhelming force.
Far too few cops showed up to deal with an actively aggressive crowd and lawbreaking crowd. These weren't protesters. The low level of visibly available force seems to have emboldened them to fight with the police.
It's rare indeed the situation where I say the cops should have come with riot shields from the beginning...
I think it would have brawled for longer, with the chance of the officers being out numbered (it only looked like two to start with). Maybe more officers from the off would have prevented it from kicking off in the start.
That video doesn't really show enough to know whether those cops did wrong or not. It looked like the guy was just strolling, but all the chatter suggests he was a dangerous person with a gun. Hitting him with a car is not the worst strategy. At the cost of smashing the car and costing taxpayers money, probably not the best idea.
" At 6:45 a.m., Valencia robbed a 7-Eleven in Tucson with a metal object in his hand. Authorities said he was dressed only in his underwear. He was charged with theft.
A little more than an hour later, police said, Valencia set a fire at a church for which he was charged with arson of an occupied structure.
Just after that he entered a home and stole a car, police said.
Authorities said he drove to a Walmart where he stole a .30-30 rifle and ammunition. He fled the store with Walmart employees in pursuit. "
"Police encountered him in a business park walking down the road. An officer told him several times to drop the rifle... Valencia, police said, walked away from the officer, turned a corner and stopped. Valencia pointed the rifle at the officer then walked away again toward a Coca-Cola bottling plant and another business."
Dude was armed, had fired at least one shot (according to other reports), and was acting unhinged while engaging in what can only be described as a crime spree.
Armed with a rifle, it would have been very hard to taze him safely. Had they just continued to observe, I suspect this would have ended in a sniper killing him.
The one thing I can say is that the behavior of the police here is worthy of debate, and it isn't entirely clear cut how the situation should have been handled. (As compared to, say, the last cop who just fucking shot an unarmed fleeing man in the back eight times and then tried to plant false evidence on him as he lay there dying).
I mean yeah I could see if they didn't want to get into a shootout with him but they're charging th guy with a quarter ton metal death machine. At a minimum his legs are broken (maybe not, looks like he might have tucked and rolled), and at worst he's brain damaged now and not fit to stand trial. Yeah, I'm saying that's worse than death.
Running a guy down is so weird. Why not have a sniper take a leg shot as soon as he pointed his rifle at someone, perfect for a long range shot by someone who can hopefully aim. Being a police officer seems to be showing how to must inefficiently do anything. These guys probably use an entire toilet paper roll for every dump they take in their lives.
Running a guy down is so weird. Why not have a sniper take a leg shot as soon as he pointed his rifle at someone, perfect for a long range shot by someone who can hopefully aim. Being a police officer seems to be showing how to must inefficiently do anything. These guys probably use an entire toilet paper roll for every dump they take in their lives.
Limb shots are incredibly difficult to make, even for a trained sniper that has been keeping in practice.
I remember hearing a few months ago that the police aren't allowed to ram people mostly because of the damage costs. The guy had been saying that if someone is carjacking you and is dumb enough to stand in front of your car, just ram him and that while some people say not to because the police don't, that's more of a financial reason rather than a legal or moral one.
I link the Reddit thread because their mood gives me whiplash sometimes. There's a whole forum devoted to showing cops misbehaving, but soon as a cop shows some fucking restraint for once all of a sudden it's, "well he should have shot the suspect." GODDAMMIT REDDIT I HATE YOU SO MUCH AND YET I WANT TO SIRE YOUR CHILDREN.
So there's a lot of news about this kid Kalief Browder who was arrested for a very minor offense. There's almost no evidence he even committed the crime. He continually refused to plead guilty and make a deal. He insisted on going to trial where he could plead not guilty. He ended up being stuck on Rikers for years.
That was yesterday's news. Todays news is that somebody leaked video footage of some of the horribly violent things that happened to him in jail, and that we know happen in jails/prisons every day.
So there's a lot of news about this kid Kalief Browder who was arrested for a very minor offense. There's almost no evidence he even committed the crime. He continually refused to plead guilty and make a deal. He insisted on going to trial where he could plead not guilty. He ended up being stuck on Rikers for years.
That was yesterday's news. Todays news is that somebody leaked video footage of some of the horribly violent things that happened to him in jail, and that we know happen in jails/prisons every day.
For that you're going to need to rile up the segment clinging to their guns and bibles. And they're the least likely to rise up because of injustice to a minority.
They also have other problematic beliefs that make it troublesome to rile them up.
I had a very interesting meeting at work yesterday with two major gun advocates talking about how they aren't gonna die from old age because when Obama suspends the elections in 2016...
...it got worse from there. To the point where contacting HR became a consideration.
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1. Well known to the police and locals
2. Looking to start a brawl
3. Engaging in the same sort of "escalate, de-escalate, re-escalate" tactics that WTO protester types use to wear down the police.
4. Attacked a Walmart employee right before the incident shown in the video (this is what caused the police to be called)
These people were there for some time causing constant problems for everyone around them it seems, and they were gunning for a big fight like this. While I am almost always erring on the side of "not a cop," I feel that in this instance the police mistake was not rolling in with a massive presence and available overwhelming force.
Far too few cops showed up to deal with an actively aggressive crowd and lawbreaking crowd. These weren't protesters. The low level of visibly available force seems to have emboldened them to fight with the police.
It's rare indeed the situation where I say the cops should have come with riot shields from the beginning...
This is how you resist arrest with style and sensitivity.
http://boingboing.net/2015/04/14/cops-have-killed-way-more-amer.html
Kind of a delicious irony, two hated forces colliding. A parking attendant booted an unlawfully parked unmarked police car. The police officer ordered the attendant to unboot the car, which the attendant refused. The cop the arrested the attendant.
Police should have to take their shoes off before they can get into their cars?
I...uh, what?
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At 6:45 a.m., Valencia robbed a 7-Eleven in Tucson with a metal object in his hand. Authorities said he was dressed only in his underwear. He was charged with theft.
A little more than an hour later, police said, Valencia set a fire at a church for which he was charged with arson of an occupied structure.
Just after that he entered a home and stole a car, police said.
Authorities said he drove to a Walmart where he stole a .30-30 rifle and ammunition. He fled the store with Walmart employees in pursuit.
"
"Police encountered him in a business park walking down the road. An officer told him several times to drop the rifle... Valencia, police said, walked away from the officer, turned a corner and stopped. Valencia pointed the rifle at the officer then walked away again toward a Coca-Cola bottling plant and another business."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/14/us/arizona-police-run-over-suspect/
Dude was armed, had fired at least one shot (according to other reports), and was acting unhinged while engaging in what can only be described as a crime spree.
Armed with a rifle, it would have been very hard to taze him safely. Had they just continued to observe, I suspect this would have ended in a sniper killing him.
The one thing I can say is that the behavior of the police here is worthy of debate, and it isn't entirely clear cut how the situation should have been handled. (As compared to, say, the last cop who just fucking shot an unarmed fleeing man in the back eight times and then tried to plant false evidence on him as he lay there dying).
Yeah sounds like government.
I link the Reddit thread because their mood gives me whiplash sometimes. There's a whole forum devoted to showing cops misbehaving, but soon as a cop shows some fucking restraint for once all of a sudden it's, "well he should have shot the suspect."
GODDAMMIT REDDIT I HATE YOU SO MUCH AND YET I WANT TO SIRE YOUR CHILDREN.
Police are the worst sometimes
mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/mum-sues-police-who-stripped-5567373
I was using the link I saw in a tweet. Here are some alternate links.
That was yesterday's news. Todays news is that somebody leaked video footage of some of the horribly violent things that happened to him in jail, and that we know happen in jails/prisons every day.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/exclusive-video-violence-inside-rikers
I think it's time for Bastille Day USA.
I had a very interesting meeting at work yesterday with two major gun advocates talking about how they aren't gonna die from old age because when Obama suspends the elections in 2016...
...it got worse from there. To the point where contacting HR became a consideration.