Have you looked at your school budget lately? Take a look and see just where all of the money is going. Odds are that your school system (like mine) is severely top heavy with money being wasted.
Does it create worse public schools because the schools do not want to improve themselves? If a school is good kids with vouchers will want to go to it. If a school is bad kids with vouchers will leave. Why should kids be punished by having to attend a bad school if they can go to a good school instead?
Your belief that "school systems with more money have greater success" shows a lack of understanding. Money does not make a school system successful, teachers who care make a school system successful. All the money in the world will not fix a broken school system because the problem is often not related to finances.
Jason, HTMK, your lack of understanding and appearant love of being suckered by rhetoric is mind-numbing. I can't even begin to poiont out everything in your posts that is so poorly misconcieved, there's simply too much.
As a teacher, I can tell you with all honesty that if you believe it's the union, you're out of your fucking mind. I've never seen more people more dedicated to children and their education than the teachers at the many schools I have taught at, not talking about how they can better position their union.
The purpose of EVERY union is to make the lives of its members better.
In fact, I have been personally involved in situations where the schools and teachers care more about the children than the parents.
I agree with this. I know many teachers who feel this way. We need to bring back corporal punishment so the kids will wise up. Right now the inmates run the asylum because if a teacher even touches them once they get fired.
The other day I'm in agreement with Joe about Ron Paul and today I'm being lumped in with Jason based on my views? What strange Bizarro world am I living in today?
No, I was pointing out taht your understanding of how schools work is grossly incorrect. I don't have time to put up the facts right this second, but I will later.
Hey ArtBoy, if you are a teacher why don't you at least use the spell checker?
What subject do you teach? It can't be English because you often confusethenandthanin your posts.
That is not meant to be a personal attack but is instead constructive criticism
Don't be ridiculous, that is obviously meant to be a personal attack. How someone posts on a casual forum does not necessarily represent how they communicate in their professional life.
No, I was pointing out taht your understanding of how schools work is grossly incorrect. I don't have time to put up the facts right this second, but I will later.
Ok. If you want to discuss an issue, then I'll be here. If you want to just say that you're right and I'm wrong and that you won't bother with the discussion part, then fuck you.
Oh, and I understand how schools work quite well, thank you very much. I am in them quite often, deal with their budgetary and operational issues on a routine basis, spend a lot of time talking with several district superintendents about the issues, and have two state board of education members on speed dial. Did I mention that I am married to a public school teacher?
Also, I am not rich in the slightest. My salary is scary low (journalism is one of the most underpaid professions in the U.S.). My wife earns more money as a teacher than I do, so please stop making assumptions about my financial station.
Come on now Jason, we all know you secretly own several tabloid magazines and only post here to get the good juicy stories to publish on page 6! Why I think I'd sooner believe George W Bush married a librarian!
check out "Stupid in America" by John Stossel, it should be on youtube or google video.
European "public" education works better than ours because most nations have measures in place that leave open the possibility of school competition, do a little research.
and yes the teacher's unions are fascist organizations whose sole purpose is to leech as many resources from their surrounding communities as possible.
and yes the teacher's unions are facist organizations whose sole purpose is to leech as many resources from their surrounding communities as possible.
Isn't that the definition of unions in general?
The purpose of all Unions (Labor, Credit, etc...) is to bring benefits to its members. There is no other purpose greater than that for a union. I do not say that to disparage unions as I am a union member. I say it because it is true!
Some unions are better than others in that they realize bleeding their employer dry will result in their employer going under and them losing their jobs. Some unions are not so bright. One example of a not-bright union is the teamsters who represent my town's contracted bus company.
They went on strike last week and now the town has filed the legal paperwork to nullify the bus company's contract. Ergo, Their strike is going to end with all of them losing their jobs because the bus company has just lost its only contract!
They were striking over wages but, they wanted to go from $12 an hour to $17 an hour in one contract! They point to some of the nearby towns that pay their bus drivers that much. The towns they point to though are in Fairfield County CT, which is a much richer county. In Fairfield County a 2-bedroom cape on a postage stamp lot can cost you $800K. The same house in my town will cost you $200K.
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Does it create worse public schools because the schools do not want to improve themselves? If a school is good kids with vouchers will want to go to it. If a school is bad kids with vouchers will leave. Why should kids be punished by having to attend a bad school if they can go to a good school instead?
Your belief that "school systems with more money have greater success" shows a lack of understanding. Money does not make a school system successful, teachers who care make a school system successful. All the money in the world will not fix a broken school system because the problem is often not related to finances.
The other day I'm in agreement with Joe about Ron Paul and today I'm being lumped in with Jason based on my views? What strange Bizarro world am I living in today?
What subject do you teach? It can't be English because you often confuse then and than in your posts.
That is not meant to be a personal attack but is instead constructive criticism
I know that, I was being sarcastic after ArtBoy's reply when Jason called him out for the personal attacks.
I would have used the sarcasm color but those color buttons don't work under the version of IE I am currently using on this particular computer.
Oh, and I understand how schools work quite well, thank you very much. I am in them quite often, deal with their budgetary and operational issues on a routine basis, spend a lot of time talking with several district superintendents about the issues, and have two state board of education members on speed dial. Did I mention that I am married to a public school teacher?
Also, I am not rich in the slightest. My salary is scary low (journalism is one of the most underpaid professions in the U.S.). My wife earns more money as a teacher than I do, so please stop making assumptions about my financial station.
I try to use absurdity and sarcasm to make my points. If you read the posts out of order you might lose the context.
I'll bet you have a good argument and everyhting, but "always" statements almost always fail.
European "public" education works better than ours because most nations have measures in place that leave open the possibility of school competition, do a little research.
and yes the teacher's unions are fascist organizations whose sole purpose is to leech as many resources from their surrounding communities as possible.
Some unions are better than others in that they realize bleeding their employer dry will result in their employer going under and them losing their jobs. Some unions are not so bright. One example of a not-bright union is the teamsters who represent my town's contracted bus company.
They went on strike last week and now the town has filed the legal paperwork to nullify the bus company's contract. Ergo, Their strike is going to end with all of them losing their jobs because the bus company has just lost its only contract!
They were striking over wages but, they wanted to go from $12 an hour to $17 an hour in one contract! They point to some of the nearby towns that pay their bus drivers that much. The towns they point to though are in Fairfield County CT, which is a much richer county. In Fairfield County a 2-bedroom cape on a postage stamp lot can cost you $800K. The same house in my town will cost you $200K.