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Hard Drives of the future

edited August 2007 in Everything Else
My thoughts revolve around the continuation of current HDD technology, I'm not taking into consideration something that doesn't involve spinning metal bits or whatever here. The bigger hard drives become, the bigger the problem of lost data becomes, because more data can be lost if a hard drive fucks up. That to me says that sooner or later the redundancy will be built into the drive. How could they do that, I wondered?

It seems to me that the best way, would be to have some sort of small bit of solid state memory that backs up the data table. That seems like the single most important piece of information on a drive. If a sector goes bad or something physical happens to the drive you're done pretty much regardless, unless you want to pay oodles of money to "professionals" to retrieve the data.

Seems to me that backing up the data tables would be more than good enough for most cases of a hard drive crashing. I know there are people on these forums that are more knowledgeable about such things than I am so... Is there any reason this wouldn't work?

(Note: I think I may have overdone it on the comma's...not sure so I'm leaving them in.)

Comments

  • Well, there are many things I can talk about, but I will simply impart one useful piece of information.

    Flash memory has a limited number of writes. Period. Let's say you have a flash memory stick that can hold 8 bits of data. You buy the memory, and it has 8 zeros in it. You plug it in and change it to 8 1s. That's one write. You change it back to 8 zeros, that's two writes. For most commercially available flash memory, after 1000 writes, it's game over. Throw it out and buy a new one.

    Granted, there are ways to make flash memory last longer. Let's say you have a flash memory that currently has 10011111 written in it, and you want to change it to be 00000111. Whereas a normal hard drive would just overwrite every single bit, algorithms for writing flash will make the data correct in as few writes as possible to extend the life of the flash memory.

    With advances in flash technology and intelligent flash-handling algorithms, we can get flash memory that lasts for a very long time. So in the short term, the fact that flash memory can only sustain a finite number of writes is not a huge problem. However, if people start using flash memory in an environment in which the flash memory is being written to on a frequent basis, we will start seeing it fail all over the place. As amazing and useful as flash memory is, it does have drawbacks. There are many good reasons we haven't completely given up on hard drives just yet. For the time being, flash memory will be used in situations where it can provide an advantage. We will have to wait for technology to advance before those situations are more frequent.
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  • Is the Wii built-in memory flash?
    Yes.
  • Flash has a limited number of "write cycles", though it is more in the range of 10k to 100k. Also, a write cycle is misleading, as what is counted is the number of times you erase a flash block. (Erase means turning it to all 1's)
  • edited August 2007
    I think for the next years hybrids will gain huge market shares, especially for laptops and notebooks. If you want a safe, quick, and long lasting storage for a stationary PC, use a raid 10. Files which are really important should be stored via your web space or on a flash memory.
    Post edited by Rym on
  • Given the way that modern flash filesystems spread writes around in memory so that you aren't always writing to the same place a normal hard drive with moving parts is probably going to fail more quickly than a flash drive.
  • Depends on the way you treat it, if it's never moved at all and has a permanent warm temperature it can last very long and is much, much cheaper than a flash drive with less GB
  • The best hard drive would be a thin piece of paper that contain 120 gb that can be automaticaly be scaned by a flash light, and can be re-written really easily, and can be disposed really easy.
  • I work in the restaurant industry. I'm a network/POS tech. Radiant makes a terminal for the POS systems that is pretty cool and germain to this discussion. It is an all solid state machine. Its like a jacked up looking laptop but does not have a normal hard drive or power supply. The HD is just flash memory and the power supply is just one of those in line power bricks. The nifty thing about it that since it has no fans or moving parts in the HD it is completely silent and easily water proofed. Its a good example of flash memory as something other than a thumb drive.
  • I've only ever used SSD in the form of flash USB thumb drives, SD Cards and CF cards.  The newer notebooks being released give you really expensive options to add a 32gb SSD, however the sites don't say if it's flash or not and the "tech sales people" can't answer my questions.  I think at one point on the website it said 2x32gb SSD SATA drives in RAID 0 but it was for an extra $1000.  I really have no idea about these drives, does anyone else?
  • sKOpe, what website did you see this at?
  • edited August 2007
    The last one was the Alienware site for the Area 51 m9750 notebook, as an option but I feel like I'm getting ripped off in comparison to Dell.
     http://www.alienware.com/Configurator_Pages/area-51_m9750.aspx?SysCode=PC-LT-AREA51M9750&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT
    Post edited by sK0pe on
  • What about the terrabytes of ram that I heard are being utilized in $15,000 - $20,000 Notebooks as the hard drive?

    If these really are that great, maybe there is no future for hard drives.
  • RAM cannot replace hard drives alone. We will always need something to store data without power (SDD, HDD, something new?)
  • Newegg has these SATA bad boys for $800. Two of these in RAID 0 would give you incredible boot times.
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  • Depends on the way you treat it, if it's never moved at all and has a permanent warm temperature it can last very long and is much, much cheaper than a flash drive with less GB
    Very true. I guess I was only thinking of laptop environments because thats where most people use flash drives, but there's absolutly no reason to use a flash drive in a server for example.
  • Newegghas these SATA bad boys for $800. Two of these in RAID 0 would give you incredible boot times.
    They would be so awesome if they didn't cost so much, hopefully large businesses will start purchasing these partsso prices will go down and in addition hard drive sizes will incresase... soon!
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