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edited December 2005 in Technology
All forms of linux experience hard kernel lockup on my computer.

(waits for the inevitable bullshit about how crappy my hardware must be, etc, to die down)

The distros I've installed: OpenSUSE, Knoppix, Gentoo. All were, of course, the latest version (as of a couple months ago when I installed them).

To get SUSE to install I had to do it in failsafe mode. Now, when it boots, it lasts 1-5 minutes, then locks up hard. Hard, as in, I can't toggle numlock on my PS/2 keyboard hard.

Gentoo just wouldn't install; it couldn't get past hardware detection. I could probably install it with failsafe settings, but, so far, I haven't had a free weekend to devote to Gentoo installation.

I've tried disabling all IDE/SATA devices (the ones that seemed to crash the installers) besides my primary (brand-new) hard drive, but that doesn't help at all.


Of course, my Windows XP runs perfectly, and I mean perfectly fucking stable. Rock solid. No crashes, ever.


So the question is this: am I right in assuming this is a hardware issue that happens to only affect the linux kernel? Should I assume it is the motherboard, or is there any way I can test that?

There's no question that linux is worth the cost of a new motherboard, but the hardware can't be all that bad if it runs perfectly under Windows. I don't like to pay for computer hardware and not upgrade my system, but I can't afford to upgrade at the moment. And who knows if it's really the motherboard?

Anyway, help would be appreciated.

Comments

  • To really diganose your problem I would have to come see it. I do know of kernel lockups such as the infamous NForce IGP without dual channel plus APIC lockup. But those can be solved by removing APIC from the kernel or adding a stick of RAM. I recommend you get an Ubuntu Live CD. If you can't boot off of that CD then something is wrong. You may have found a new kernel bug that needs fixing.
  • Hmm.. Regarding Gentoo and hardware detection, I assume you mean the livecd crashes while trying to detect your hardware? I had the same problem with a certain kind of box at work. I booted an Ubuntu livecd and used that to install Gentoo.

    If you mean genkernel crashed, well, genkernel makes baby Jeebus cry. You really have to make your own kernel to get much out of Gentoo.

    You could try a basic install of a distro on a TOTALLY stripped down system. I'm talking mobo, hard drive, video, ram, CPU, PS/2 mouse and keyboard. That way you can be 100% sure it's an issue Linux is having with your core system and not anything else. (Bonus points if you have a crappo video card to stick in for testing).

    I believe you as far as the hardware ;^) Linux isn't exactly the best at detecting hardware or loading the correct modules, especially for super new or otherwise esoteric devices.
  • I would reccommend you try (K)Ubuntu as well, I love it, but try the absolute newest possible version in testing--it has a newer kernel (Clicky)
    I don't know if it will work or not, but I do know that kernel 2.4.x hates my computer completely, so it's worth a try.
  • I do know that kernel 2.4.x hates my computer completely
    2.6 is definitely the way to go. ^_~
  • I do know that kernel 2.4.x hates my computer completely
    2.6 is definitely the way to go. ^_~
    What? That post is from over three years ago. Are you meaning to say you're stoked about the most recent kernel?
  • I do know that kernel 2.4.x hates my computer completely
    2.6 is definitely the way to go. ^_~
    What? That post is from over three years ago. Are you meaning to say you're stoked about the most recent kernel?
    I think Rym was looking for a thread to necro, just for the sake of it. I think someone else recently said something about thread necromancy, which we encourage. Rym is just demonstrating our policy.
  • Rym likes to buck those Internet rule enforcing forum trends. Must be a slow day at work or something.
  • I have a similar problem with linux on my laptop. No distro will boot. Ever. I'm pretty sure its because of my video card, which is an ATI Mobility Raedeon HD 3650.
  • I have a similar problem with linux on my laptop. No distro will boot. Ever. I'm pretty sure its because of my video card, which is an ATI Mobility Raedeon HD 3650.
    Oh god, that card. Un-hackintosh-able as well. Thing is a pile.
  • I concur, fucking hate ATI graphics cards, almost as much as I hate doors you push that have handles on them.
  • I concur, fucking hate ATI graphics cards
    Well, that's a little rough. That card in particular is a black spot on the brand, I'll give you that, but I'd put a 4xxx series card in my desktop.
  • After the Voodoo era was over, and Matrox threw in the towel, it was NVidia vs. ATi. Depending on what month it was, the winner of the price:performance ratio war varied back and forth. For people running Windows who didn't care about intricate details of 3D stuff, the better price performance ratio was king.

    The thing is that NVidia has always had superior stability, reliability, and such. Their Windows drivers are just better, and more stable, period. Also, there are small differences that you wouldn't realize. For example, when we first tried to setup our TV PC we had two cards to choose from, an ATi and an NVidia from about the same time. Both had S-Video output. We tried the ATi first. It refused to send any video out of that S-Video hole unless we used a special windows driver. This meant we had to have a monitor in the living room, which was not acceptable. The NVidia card started outputting on the S-Video during POST, that's while the BIOS is still doing its thing. That's the little detail that lets you know who's really got the better product.

    Also, for the longest time, ATi had no official Linux support. Even though NVidia's Linux drivers were, and are still, closed source, they worked. That hurt ATi more than you realize. That's why they more recently have open sourced their drivers.

    That being said, I haven't used an ATi card in a very long time. Now that their drivers are open sourced and such, they might be a lot better than they used to be. I have no idea. The thing is, I have no desire to find out. Because of their poor performance back in the day, I can't trust the brand. I keep buying NVidia, and they always work great. They never make me sorry to purchase their products or use their drivers. Until they do, I won't even bother looking at an ATi unless there is a ginormous difference in the price/performance ratio.
  • edited June 2009
    I have a similar problem with linux on my laptop. No distro will boot. Ever. I'm pretty sure its because of my video card, which is an ATI Mobility Raedeon HD 3650.
    Oh god, that card. Un-hackintosh-able as well. Thing is a pile.
    Yeah, you have no idea how many times I tried putting osx86 on this laptop.
    I concur, fucking hate ATI graphics cards
    Well, that's a little rough. That card in particular is a black spot on the brand, I'll give you that, but I'd put a 4xxx series card in my desktop.
    Yeah, I've never had problems with ATI before. Admittingly, however, I will be soon purchasing a Nvidia card for the HTPC I'm building. Link
    Post edited by Victor Frost on
  • I need some help guys, and since you don't have a UNIX thread, I figured I'd post in the closest thing to it since PC help seemed to not be relevant.

    ok here goes
    Here is what I have
    A 100 base switch, some network cables, some sunfire 420 servers and sunfire 280 servers. I also have solaris 10 for them, oh and by the way the server total is 8.

    Here is what I am trying to do:
    Create an independent network with only these systems on it, then cluster it into a super machine to do number crunching for my university's physics and math departments so they stop hijacking our sun labs on weekends.

    What my problem is:
    ok, I got the systems to load the OS but I am having problems configuring the domain controller(do I even need one?)...... actually I need these systems to talk to each other and since my background is in windows and PCs I'm not sure where to even start. All the publications I read assume you have more knowledge than I have or at least that you are already part of a network. I need a some sort of starting position. If step A is loading the OS and step D is configuring the clustering software, I'm at step B Configuring the Network devices. I'm not looking for someone to hold my hand through it, I just need some sort of reference to work with, and Google is failing me.

    Thx,
    Bruce
  • edited July 2009
    What you want to do is something that is very difficult and requires a great deal of expertise, or money. Clustering for number crunching usually requires a great deal of customized systems specific to the task at hand.
    Post edited by Apreche on
  • edited July 2009
    What you want to do is something that is very difficult and requires a great deal of expertise, or money. Clustering for number crunching usually requires a great deal of customized systems specific to the task at hand.
    Yeah, probably right, but I still have to give it a shot, since I was tasked to do this. But they only pay me $9/hour, so I am not promising miracles. But, I do need to follow through to the point were I can demonstrate the lack of expertise/money/customized systems, and how not investing on their part will impact the success of what they want. In other words, they asked me to try it with limited resources, and I said,"I'll give it a shot". And remember, this is a university environment, so they are all about "learning experiences", besides I could use the experience in this myself. If you had the opportunity to mess around with a bunch of sun servers and software I'm sure you'd want to take it too.

    Although on another note, I managed to convince some people to make the case to bring the systems up on a subnet of the university network while we are testing their proposition of the cluster. If I get a "go" for that I won't need to emulate the network control in my network to bring them up. I can use the University's DNS and DHCP services. Also I can load the Jumpstart scripts I already configured for the servers when I do re installs when I mess something up once I get DHCP services going.
    Post edited by xxxxxx on
  • I was talking to a kernel dev guy the other day, and he mentioned that 2.7 will have a bunch of really neato debugging stuff. As for ubuntu livecd's, they should pretty much run on anything.

    @Bruce are you referring to something like a be0wulf cluster?
  • edited July 2009
    no, I'm using SunFires. After the servers are all set up, I'll use the Sun Cluster tools to build a unix cluster. The software that the will be used is currently loaded in our solaris lab on solaris workstations. Every once in a while on a holiday, the Math guys come down and take over the lab cluster the work stations and run their software to do number crunching. we want to give them a better solution that is always up, and we have had 8 sunfre servers donated to us laying around doing nothing. So we figured we would configure them and put the software the math geeks use on them and turn it over.

    I've decided to throw a copy of fedora on a PC and plug in into my switch. Still working on configuring the fedora PC to handle mDNS and DHCP Daemon. It looks like if I can get the right configuration on these two services I can emulate being connected to a network well enough for the Solaris systems to not hate me.
    Post edited by xxxxxx on
  • edited July 2009
    Looking at a service called Avahi now it may do all of what I am looking for.
    Post edited by xxxxxx on
  • edited July 2009
    Update: My fedora Linux system is now properly giving IP addys to my sun servers on it's own private network. Going to install a second NIC soon and bring the whole setup on to the university network soon. Should be fun. I just have to make sure that my DHCP Daemon does not start trying to manage the second nic.... network services doesn't appreciate rogue dhcp servers coming up on their network. heh.
    Post edited by xxxxxx on
  • I just had an idea for a bad movie:

    In a world where DHCP servers go rogue..... only one sys admin can track them down......
  • Okay, Bruce. Welcome to the forum and all that, but you really need to obey some forum etiquette. Updating the status of your project a day later is fine, but if you suddenly have an idea a minute after your last post...well, the edit button is there for a reason. Nice movie idea though.
  • Sonic does it really matter? Sometimes I'd rather someone didn't update their thread, because then I quote them and in the middle of the post they have changed the text already.
  • That's just the way I was taught when I first started out on forums. *shrug* If you guys don't have a problem with it, I'm willing to keep my opinions to myself.
  • Sonic does it really matter? Sometimes I'd rather someone didn't update their thread, because then I quote them and in the middle of the post they have changed the text already.
    This is only true for active topics, where people are just posting back to back in madness. In a sleeping topic like this editing your 2 minute old post just makes sense.
  • The only time this should be a problem is if someone suddenly "cares" about their number of posts and is intentionally posting their number of posts for some dumb pseudo-achievement whole reason.
  • edited July 2009
    On a Linux note, with a recent update, my Ubuntu install has just killed itself (Froze and now kernel panics on boot up.). Good thing reinstalling takes less than half an hour and, due to having a separate /home/ partition, it shouldn't be that major a problem.
    Post edited by Omnutia on
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