The Whole Enceladus

HungryJoe

Water and organic chemicals on Enceladus? What does it mean for the Intelligent Design types?

Apreche

Water and organic chemicals on Enceladus? What does it mean for the Intelligent Design types?

It doesn't mean anything. If they aren't going to make decisions based on evidence, more evidence isn't going to change anything for them.

Rym

If they aren't going to make decisions based on evidence, more evidence isn't going to change anything for them.

Luckily, evidence means something to scientists, so we have no worries. ^_^

lackofcheese

I think that they will just keep on with their
"Evolution is wrong, so Intelligent Design must be right" type of mantra.

The closest they come to offering evidence of their own is still the "irreducible complexity" argument, in specific areas like blood clots.


So, the "battle" with ID will just be a continuous crusade of the ID proponents finding new areas which seem like weak points for Natural Selection, while scientists will keep coming up with actual explanations. This could probably go on forever.

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The closest they come to offering evidence of their own is still the "irreducible complexity" argument, in specific areas like blood clots.

Have you read the answer that was linked in the other thread concerning Blood Clotting? I personally find it a very likely explanation of the complexity of blood clotting as we see today. As creatures became larger, other methods to transport stuff around were needed. Call it primitive blood. It's quite possible that said primitive blood was very thick and didn't need a specialised blood clotting system, so even those creatures who had a primitive, very basic and simple system for blood clotting had no advantage, yet. As the creatures grew larger, the primitive blood had to become thinner as to be able to transport nutrients and so faster throughout the body, those creatures who had a primitive sort of blood clotting now had an advantage to survival, and those who's blood clotting genes mutated to be better and more complex had an even larger chance of survival. Etc~ Evolution goes step by step, who says creatures instantly had blood as it is in its present form when they needed a transportation system?

lackofcheese

I believe I was the one who linked that evidence, and I did read it. That's why I said "the closest they come".

I agree completely with the modern theory of evolution given current evidence, and the basic explanation of blood clotting given there is siffucient; though I'm sure biologists have more in-depth studies into the issue. My point was that in this one case they actually hit upon an issue that was not completely easy for evolution scientists to answer straight off, and ID proponents will continue to look for such issues.

Ultimately, though, that's all ID is able to do, look for weak points in evolution, and continue to attack them as if they were failing flaws until the end of time. Every time such a weak point is found, it is true that what scientists should do is say "Right now we don't have an explanation for it, and it's even possible that this could disprove the Theory of Evolution". Accepting that the current scientific explanation needs adjustment is no reason to invoke a supernatural power, however.