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Ladder theory of relationships! (old school goodness!)

edited July 2006 in Everything Else
http://www.intellectualwhores.com/ (don't worry not a porn site)

I figured I'd post this Link to the wonderful and interesting Ladder theory on relationships which lead to many lively discussions with the front row crew.

I think since it has been a few years since it has been discussed a revisit is in order and whether our post college self's still consider ourselves disciples of the ladder! With the added bonus of all the extra minds discussing the topic!

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  • hi-freaking-LARIOUS!

    That was definitely worth the read.
  • Scenario 3: A girl says any of the following to you:

    * "You're like a brother to me"
    * "You're like a big teddy bear"
    * "I feel like I can talk to you about anything"
    * "You're so nice"
    * "Can you help me with my homework"


    Ladder Theory Explanation: You are on the friends ladder. So Sorry.

    Well, I'm fucked.

    Or, well, not fucked, as it were.
  • "cuddle bitch(n) - a guy who never gets to sleep with a girl but gets to have intimate moments with her like cuddling, spooning, or otherwise being affectionate. Usually this will occur in private. She probably considers him a really sweet guy, which is the kiss of death.

    First off, cuddle bitches are bad, bad things to be. Maybe the worst thing to be. I mean, being an Intellectual Whore is bad, but being an Intellectual Whore who has to endure blue-balls is bordering on criminal.

    As to how it fits into the framework of the ladder.

    Basically this is just a guy who has a very high position on the friends ladder. So far up the friends ladder that he gets the dubious honor of getting to provide all the intimacy that a girl is missing when she's off fucking guys who basically don't care about her like outlaw bikers and band members. So he gets to be the proxy father/confessor/friend/teddy bear for her, depending on what she is missing at the time. Perhaps the only consolation of this is a ladder jump to the real ladder seems statistically a little more likely to succeed. Of course, when one is that high up the fall is dreadful indeed....

    How do we know this? Well, if a woman had a nice loving boyfriend then he would be doing all the cuddling and whatnot and likely wouldn't stand for a woman maintaining a stable of cuddle bitches. Unless he's completelty pussified, in which case she's likely fucking some other people anyway.

    For guys unacquainted with Ladder Theory, it is even worse. The cuddle bitch often thinks he is on the good ladder as opposed to the real ladder. So he gets all excited about his position instead of realizing he is being completely used. So this poor tool is really setting himself up for a fall at that point.

    Note: This does not apply if cuddling under the influence of mushrooms, for the express purposes of avoiding hypothermia, or if the woman is a whore that you've recently paid for sex. Cuddling is perfectly acceptable and probably non-sexual in these circumstances. "


    D'oh!
  • As for actual commentary, I've never been a fan of ladder theory in a "this is how I will conduct myself" sense; rather, I see it as a collection of observations that bear consideration and deliberation. I can definitely see that a lot of relationships fall into the purview of the ladder theory, but I don't consider it the be-all and end-all of how relationships are conducted, since relationships are inherently personal things, and you really can't apply broad rules to that sort of thing. Personally, I take a more altruistic view of relationships; I tend to care more about someone else's happiness than my own, so I'm often in the "cuddle bitch," or "older brother," or "really nice guy, but..." position. Being a wuss also enforces that position.

    It is, however, a very interesting read in terms of looking for its manifestations in real life. Basically, it's a nice way to inform yourself of when you're in the cuddle bitch position, or when you really have no chance of making a desired relationship come to fruition.
  • Yea Ladder theory is not really a relationship theory either as much as it is a who should I sleep with. ^_^
  • Geeks usually fall into the Just Friends category. I personally like to just call us tools. It wasn't until college that as my intelligence was at a steady decline that my women gaining abilities increased. I preach to future generations of tools not to fall into the limbo I was in for many years and stop being used by women banging guys with little intelligence and lots of money. The whole preoccupied/jerk thing works wonders. Showering helps also .

    I may also stress not to have kids and get married. There's nothing good waiting on that road, believe me.
  • edited July 2006
    Well, most geeks fall into "just friends" because their self-esteem is too low to make a move when they should. If you actually make a move with the right timing, you'll find yourself on the "real" ladder more often than you would think.

    EDIT: Hell, just making a move at all can put you on that ladder more often than you would think.
    Post edited by TheWhaleShark on
  • You've got to make a move.

    As Morpheus would say, she can only show you the ladder; you must climb the rungs.
  • What if you are a female window cleaner? Does that mean you're always on the ladder?
  • ヽ(`Д´)ノ うるせえ〜!この野郎!Enough with the fuck-ladder! I hate it and Scott Johnson is using it to troll me again and I am going to kick him during the game if he keeps it up so beware!!!
    hi-freaking-LARIOUS!

    That was definitely worth the read.
    You fail at life.
    * "I feel like I can talk to you about anything"
    * "You're so nice"
    I said this to guys I wanted to make out with.
    What if you are a female window cleaner? Does that mean you're always on the ladder?
    I love you, Luke.
    Geeks usually fall into the Just Friends category.
    Like I said about the guys who make the "nice guy" argument - there is something else preventing girls from going after you, like being smelly or awkward. It might even be something as simple as the stupid cliques of high school. (In high school, people may be attracted to geeks, but because they worry about being teased they stay away.) If you are reasonably cute and nice, and you go after girls who are similarly cute and nice, usually it will lead to some good times.
  • Rise above them Emily, you must create your sanctuary.
  • ヽ(`Д´)ノ うるせえ〜!この野郎!Enough with the fuck-ladder! I hate it and Scott Johnson is using it to troll me again and I am going to kick him during the game if he keeps it up so beware!!!
    Your trolling yourself with it at this point (not sure why Luke dug this thread up?)
  • not sure why Luke dug this thread up?
    Epic ghost on the stairs?
  • (not sure why Luke dug this thread up?)
    I just wanted to make that single joke.
  • Oh wow! That's from 2006! Don't I feel sheepish! I thought it was a new thread, that you had started to make me mad.

    Okay, I am not going to kick you, because if I wanted to, I should have done it 3 years ago.
  • Okay, I am not going to kick you, because if I wanted to, I should have done it 3 years ago.
    I advocate kicking him. Clearly 3 years of calm mediation and civil argument has done nothing to change his attitude on this topics. As you're non-attorney, I suggest you escalate to violence at your soonest possible convenience.
  • edited January 2010
    Okay, I am not going to kick you, because if I wanted to, I should have done it 3 years ago.
    I advocate kicking him. Clearly 3 years of calm mediation and civil argument has done nothing to change his attitude on this topics. As you're non-attorney, I suggest you escalate to violence at your soonest possible convenience.
    Don't you know that you can't do any physical harm to a Scott Johnson? A Scott Johnson's natural defense system - a thick covering of hair over his entire body - cushions all blows. It is even rumored that a Scott Johnson's body hair can absorb part of the life force within each entity that makes contact with it. This sapping of energy makes those that would harm a Scott Johnson instantly mellow and in need of a week long rest on the beach.
    Post edited by Kate Monster on
  • Attacking ScoJo acts as a tranquilizing agent? In that case, I am going to kick him at any chance I get.
  • Don't you know that you can't do any physical harm to a Scott Johnson? A Scott Johnson's natural defense system - a thick covering of hair over his entire body - cushions all blows. It is even rumored that a Scott Johnson's body hair can absorb part of the life force within each entity that makes contact with it. This sapping of energy makes those that would harm a Scott Johnson instantly mellow and in need of a week long rest on the beach.
    Thanks, now I'm going to be punched by everyone.
  • edited January 2010
    Attacking ScoJo acts as a tranquilizing agent? In that case, I am going to kick him at any chance I get.
    But if you don't have the time to spend on a beach, it would not be recommended.
    Post edited by Kate Monster on
  • ヽ(`Д´)ノ うるせえ〜!この野郎!
    Oh shit, big, bad runes have been called. Does Gomily have to kick a Scott?
    I should have done it 3 years ago.
    You know what they say, better late than never. I advocate kicking him.
  • As you're non-attorney, I suggest you escalate to violence at your soonest possible convenience.
  • Oh shit, big, bad runes have been called. Does Gomily have to kick a Scott?
    Rough translation: Shut up! These jerks!
  • Rough translation: Shut up! These jerks!
    I prefer the Google translate translation of:
    ヽ ( `Д ') É ~ Shut the hell up! Motherfucker!
  • Geeks usually fall into the Just Friends category.
    Like I said about the guys who make the "nice guy" argument - there is something else preventing girls from going after you, like being smelly or awkward.
    Yes. And if you are in "The Friend Zone" while the woman you're in love with dates a string of assholes, it isn't because you somehow blew your chance -- it's because you never had a chance. So either forget about her and find a woman who's interested in you, or better yet, make yourself into someone that more women will be interested in.
  • ヽ ( `Д ') É ~ Shut the hell up! Motherfucker!
    I especially like the little "East side" sign the guy has.
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