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Russia Today copyright report

JasonJason
edited March 2009 in Politics
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I'm not sure this is real. If it is, it's time to get angry.
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  • AndrewAndrew
    Umm seriously? Some vague overseas news report with not other collaborating stories? I call bullshit.
  • JasonJason
    Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement.
  • AndrewAndrew
    Truecrypt
  • SailSail
    edited March 2009
    Dude, no way. I can't believe this. There would be something about this in our news if this were true.
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  • JasonJason
    Dude, no way. I can't believe this. There would be something about this in our news if this were true.
    Vancouver Sun
    Globe and Mail
    Washington Post
    Ars Technica
    Huffington Post
  • SailSail
    edited March 2009
    Fuck.

    [Edit] Man, I should have found out about this a day earlier and written it in to my paper about executive authority. Would have been an A for sure.
    Post edited by Sail on
  • RochelleRochelle
    I don't understand how they will be able to tell between audio files I got from the Pirate Bays vs. music I ripped from a CD I purchased or a free mp3 I got online from the artist.

    Regardless, this doesn't sound good at all. I will await until more information is given, but I am concerned.
  • gomidoggomidog
    What is this?! They better not.
    Obama, you said transparency and no more stupid listening to big lobbyists. You said no more spying on people, and to start being all cool with technology.
    (I know that it is not Obama himself that came up with these talks, but I would expect better of a democratic congress.)
  • YoshoKatanaYoshoKatana
    Wait a minute. What are the implications of this? I can't really wrap my mind around the possibilities that they are saying.
  • TheWhaleSharkTheWhaleShark
    edited March 2009
    Wow, fuck that.

    For catching child porn or something like that, alright, that's not the worst thing ever. But copyright infringement?

    EDIT: The news articles are misleading. This has been in negotiation since 2007. They actually expected it to be done by November of 2008.

    This is not simply an Obama thing.
    Post edited by TheWhaleShark on
  • JasonJason
    This is not simply an Obama thing.
    True, but that does not excuse his complicity.
  • Kate MonsterKate Monster
    This is not simply an Obama thing.
    True, but that does not excuse his complicity.
    Yeah, he should totally step into talks that have gone on for quite some time and fuck up any progress that has been made by throwing a tantrum until they have to renegotiate how the talks will proceed.
    While I think this should be out in the open, I can understand why Obama hasn't insisted on it.
    I still don't get how this is a State Secret, though...
  • TheWhaleSharkTheWhaleShark
    This is not simply an Obama thing.
    True, but that does not excuse his complicity.
    No, you're right. He might be trying to avoid pissing off other nations, but quite frankly, I'd like him to take a firm stance on this and have it negotiated to a point of sensibility.

    As I said, I can understand child pornography and counterfeit stings, sort of. The copyright infringement part is what blows my mind.
  • lackofcheeselackofcheese
    I go to the Wikipedia page, scroll down to
    Furthermore the following countries have joined the negotiations: Australia
    and go FUCK.
  • RymRym
    Yeah, he should totally step into talks that have gone on for quite some time and fuck up any progress that has been made by throwing a tantrum until they have to renegotiate how the talks will proceed.
    Frankly, I wish he would do just that for a variety of issues. It appears that nothing good can come of these negotiations anyway, and I'm saddened that they even took place.
  • TheWhaleSharkTheWhaleShark
    I go to the Wikipedia page, scroll down to
    Furthermore the following countries have joined the negotiations: Australia
    and go FUCK.
    HAHA! Your country is just as stupid as mine!
  • lackofcheeselackofcheese
    edited March 2009
    I go to the Wikipedia page, scroll down to
    Furthermore the following countries have joined the negotiations: Australia
    and go FUCK.
    HAHA! Your country is just as stupid as mine!
    More so. There isn't even that much money in it here. No-one has cared enough to go to much effort around here, unlike the RIAA and MPAA in the States - but now this.
    Post edited by lackofcheese on
  • JasonJason
    Yeah, he should totally step into talks that have gone on for quite some time and fuck up any progress that has been made by throwing a tantrum until they have to renegotiate how the talks will proceed.
    You're right. Issues and treaties that start before you're president aren't your problem. You should definitely not take a hand in them. You should probably not even try to acknowledge that they exist. Burying them and illegally ignoring sunshine laws -- that's probably the best route. It's certainly the kind of change I voted for. And we wouldn't want all that progress wasted -- you know, all that progress in giving a big middle finger to the fourth amendment, for instance.
  • Kate MonsterKate Monster
    edited March 2009
    Yeah, he should totally step into talks that have gone on for quite some time and fuck up any progress that has been made by throwing a tantrum until they have to renegotiate how the talks will proceed.
    You're right. Issues and treaties that start before you're president aren't your problem. You should definitely not take a hand in them. You should probably not even try to acknowledge that they exist. Burying them and illegally ignoring sunshine laws -- that's probably the best route. It's certainly the kind of change I voted for. And we wouldn't want all that progress wasted -- you know, all that progress in giving a big middle finger to the fourth amendment, for instance.
    That wasn't at all what I was saying, and you know it. He should definitely take part in the negotiations, but to re-create the basic terms of the talks could derail any progress that has been made. I am saying that going blindly in and stamping your foot isn't the best way to handle international talks.
    Post edited by Kate Monster on
  • TheWhaleSharkTheWhaleShark
    Yeah, he should totally step into talks that have gone on for quite some time and fuck up any progress that has been made by throwing a tantrum until they have to renegotiate how the talks will proceed.
    You're right. Issues and treaties that start before you're president aren't your problem. You should definitely not take a hand in them. You should probably not even try to acknowledge that they exist. Burying them and illegally ignoring sunshine laws -- that's probably the best route. It's certainly the kind of change I voted for. And we wouldn't want all that progress wasted -- you know, all that progress in giving a big middle finger to the fourth amendment, for instance.
    That wasn't at all what I was saying, and you know it. He should definately take part in the negotiations, but to re-create the basic terms of the talks could derail any progress that has been made.
    He could easily just say, "You know what guys? You do whatever. I'm out." No need to change the trade agreement itself; he can just withdraw US participation.

    Now, whether or not that changes anyone else's minds is a different story.
  • Kate MonsterKate Monster
    edited March 2009
    Does anyone know his stance on intellectual property and copyright laws?

    I think pulling out of the talks would be better than throwing a fit.
    Post edited by Kate Monster on
  • JasonJason
    From his web site:

    # Protect American Intellectual Property Abroad: The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that in 2005, more than nine of every 10 DVDs sold in China were illegal copies. The U.S. Trade Representative said 80 percent of all counterfeit products seized at U.S. borders still come from China. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will work to ensure intellectual property is protected in foreign markets, and promote greater cooperation on international standards that allow our technologies to compete everywhere.

    # Protect American Intellectual Property at Home: Intellectual property is to the digital age what physical goods were to the industrial age. Barack Obama believes we need to update and reform our copyright and patent systems to promote civic discourse, innovation and investment while ensuring that intellectual property owners are fairly treated.
  • Kate MonsterKate Monster
    Those are so vague, it is painful.
  • DiagorasDiagoras
    Intellectual property is to the digital age what physical goods were to the industrial age.
    I thought intellectual property was a temporary monopoly over a certain idea or media for a set amount of time, akin to a patent. How can you compare IP to a physical good? The metaphor doesn't make sense.
  • Victor FrostVictor Frost
    *global statements incoming*
    President Obama, ever since you were elected, you have disappointed me. You stopped twittering, your financial plans completely screw over people like me who rely on federal loans and grants for tuition money, and now this?

    I guess you can't trust politicians after all, even if it is President Obama.
  • JasonJason
    That wasn't at all what I was saying, and you know it. He should definitely take part in the negotiations, but to re-create the basic terms of the talks could derail any progress that has been made. I am saying that going blindly in and stamping your foot isn't the best way to handle international talks.
    We're not talking about him going in there and turning into The Rock Obama. We're talking about at the very least lifting the veil of secrecy -- which is required by law -- and letting the public have a say in the standards being established by their own government. This isn't transparency. Also, we're talking about answering to your constituents, not just interests. Wasn't that the whole premise of his campaign? The problem might have started under Bush, but Obama's administration has been active in covering up the content of the proceedings, which makes him just as complicit.
  • gomidoggomidog
    You stopped twittering
    Of course he did, they took his blackberry away.
  • Victor FrostVictor Frost
    You stopped twittering
    Of course he did, they took his blackberry away.
    Wasn't he supposed to get a phone, though?
  • gomidoggomidog
    OOh, fancy secret phone!
  • ......
    What? Last I heard was that Obama was allowed to keep his Blackberry alongside the super phone. Was that misinformation?
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