No, but a PDF isn't software, it's just a format. Now, adobe reader sucks fucking cock for PDFs. Foxit is so much better. But as of right now I really have no idea why PDFs are fucking up my Firefox so badly. Is it happening to anyone else?
But as of right now I really have no idea why PDFs are fucking up my Firefox so badly. Is it happening to anyone else?
PDFs generally suck on Windows and even more so with browser plugins in my experience. They scroll without any lag on on all the linux readers I tried... wonder why.
Oh yes their installers are horrible, horrible. "Please shut down all the programs that you really need and wait 5 hours for this installation to finish. Of course this doesn't actually matter since you can just open the programs back up once the installation has started. We just want to annoy you."
No, but a PDF isn't software, it's just a format. Now, adobe reader sucks fucking cock for PDFs. Foxit is so much better. But as of right now I really have no idea why PDFs are fucking up my Firefox so badly. Is it happening to anyone else?
(on Firefox, I set it so that it deletes all cookies when I close it, except for the ones I want to keep)
I guess you use an extension to select which cookies to keep? No, I just went to Options->Privacy and said "accept all cookies until i close firefox" and then ->exception and added all the sites I went to with any regularity (google, forums, etc)
No, but a PDF isn't software, it's just a format. Now, adobe reader sucks fucking cock for PDFs. Foxit is so much better. But as of right now I really have no idea why PDFs are fucking up my Firefox so badly. Is it happening to anyone else?
I just installed Firefox 3.5 beta 4 on my laptop, just to see. I can tell you this, Chrome is dead for sure. The only reason Chrome is good at all is because of speed and stability. This new Firefox has both. Of course, it's still beta, so many extensions, like Firebug, aren't working. However, Flashblock and Adblock plus DO work. If the extensions you need are working in the beta, I say go for it.
I just installed Firefox 3.5 beta 4 on my laptop, just to see. I can tell you this, Chrome is dead for sure. The only reason Chrome is good at all is because of speed and stability. This new Firefox has both. Of course, it's still beta, so many extensions, like Firebug, aren't working. However, Flashblock and Adblock plus DO work. If the extensions you need are working in the beta, I say go for it.
Shit, I'll try it. Let me check it out real quick.
Also, I don't know if it actually makes a difference, or if it's just me, but using the default FF theme seems to speed things up somewhat. Can anyone verify this or am I talking BS? Even though I'll have to adjust to the look, it's nice.
Because Adobe are a bunch of incompetent fucks, hellbent on destroying any user experience you might have had.
Well, I have adobe reader uninstalled and I did have it set to open with the foxit plugin, but now I have it set to just automatically ask for a download, so essentially it'll alert me that I'm clicking on a PDF without actually opening it, which will save Firefox from crashing.
Too bad that there seems to be no mouse gestures -extensions for the new Firefox beta. But it is just a beta, so I'll wait until the final version is out.
Exactly, and with that realization this thread pretty much ends.
Oh yes their installers are horrible, horrible.
Oh god, don't remind me of adobe_updater.exe. ... Anti-Godwin, I lose the argument. (L-O-L)
No, I just went to Options->Privacy and said "accept all cookies until i close firefox" and then ->exception and added all the sites I went to with any regularity (google, forums, etc)
Oh? I didn't know that had any effect on the 'keep cookies until I close Firefox' option. Seeing its location one would expect it to only work for when you uncheck the option to allow all cookies, except for those sites you list. It would also help if they added that information in the Exceptions dialog or so. Thanks for the heads up though.
Conrad's Conspiracy Theory Corner! Adobe planning to release an Adobe Air web browser, with better embedded PDF support?
-- This edition of C2TC should be taken seriously in every way possible
Oh god I hate those Air applets so much, if they made a full browser based on that crap it's time to grab pitchforks, light torches and fucking kill some Adobe executives.
Well, I have adobe reader uninstalled and I did have it set to open with the foxit plugin, but now I have it set to just automatically ask for a download, so essentially it'll alert me that I'm clicking on a PDF without actually opening it, which will save Firefox from crashing.
If you use Stylish you can have something similar in effect like that. There are some styles that change your mouse to an icon depending on the target of the URL you are hovering over. For example, it'll change into a pdf file icon when hovering over a pdf file URL. You can also remove the extension and just change the option for pdf files in the Applications tab of your Preferences window. It clears an extension and thus perhaps some minor memory hogging.
I'm using FF3.5B4 right now, and I have to say, it's certainly peppier. I'm coming at this on a 867Mhz G4 PowerBook, so when I talk about how important speed is I'm, not just bitching and moaning (although I'm certainly doing that.) I'll use it for the rest of the day; if it continues to perform in this manner it might be enough to get me to stop using Safari (at least until I try Safari4).
Not to say its not without its flaws, "other codec" support being chief among them. See, Apple realized that not everyone wanted to use AAC, so it provided a "Quicktime Component" interface, which gets you your OGG support. Yay! Until you try to play it on your Airtunes speakers ... you see, iTunes does not allow any "third-party" components to stream to Airtunes, and it fails silently to boot! This means you'll be enjoying music in your living room, until suddenly it cuts out and is playing in your bedroom because it hit an OGG file. Good work, guys.
Failing silently is a huge Apple problem in general. In their epic quest to make things easy for users, and to make things "just work" they eliminated lots of error messages, and have removed all important information from the messages that do exist. I know that Steve Jobs would like for nothing to ever go wrong, but that's just impossible. When something does go wrong, it is almost impossible to fix because you have no information to go on.
Failing silently is a huge Apple problem in general. In their epic quest to make things easy for users, and to make things "just work" they eliminated lots of error messages, and have removed all important information from the messages that do exist. I know that Steve Jobs would like for nothing to ever go wrong, but that's just impossible. When something does go wrong, it is almost impossible to fix because you have no information to go on.
Seriously, they don't have a developer-mode type thing?
What you are looking for is the console. All errors get routed there.
What you are looking for is the console. All errors get routed there
Wow, I just looked at the OSX console for the first time. What a mess.
The console may alleviate some of this problem with OSX, but it is an Apple-wide problem. When iPHone applications crash, they just disappear. They don't tell you why. If iTunes on Windows has a problem with no error message, good luck.
Molly Wood said it best on TwiT. Apple's systems force you to conform to the way they do things. If you don't conform, life will be very hard. PCs largely conform to you, rather than the other way around.
Apple's systems force you to conform to the way they do things.
The extension of that statement is: for a typical user, is that necessarily a bad thing? Particularly when given a relatively well designed system to start?
The extension of that statement is: for a typical user, is that necessarily a bad thing? Particularly when given a relatively well designed system to start?
It is because it doesn't give the typical user any room to grow. It's good for "typical" users, but it also ensures that they remain "typical".
Again, all three major OSes are almost entirely identical for desktop use. We need to combine the good, and remove the bad, aspect of all three.
The extension of that statement is: for a typical user, is that necessarily a bad thing?
That is an interesting question. The other part of of "PCs adapt to the user" is that unreasonable users will create unreasonable systems for themselves. Give them enough rope...
That is an interesting question. The other part of of "PCs adapt to the user" is that unreasonable users will create unreasonable systems for themselves. Give them enough rope...
If you make the computer/OS for stupid people, only stupid people will use it.
The other part of of "PCs adapt to the user" is that unreasonable users will create unreasonable systems for themselves.
I think this is illustrated best when you look at the current state of Linux distributions. Everyone has their own versions of GTK, their own versions of libc with who-knows-what patches applied, their own GCC, even their own audio subsystem, which makes it very hard for ISVs to ship well tested, quality software. (Hi Adobe.)
You can extend this to Firefox as well. Recently a Johnny Wander reader emailed me with some screenshots in which one of the textfields was spilling way outside of the content area. I was unable to reproduce on any operating system, and conceded that it must have been one of his extensions providing a user agent style sheet. The mystery remains.
I think that somewhere in-between complete freedom and complete rigidity there's a sane point. The question was more food for thought than anything.
I think this is illustrated best when you look at the current state of Linux distributions. Everyone has their own versions of GTK, their own versions of libc with who-knows-what patches applied, their own GCC, even their own audio subsystem, which makes it very hard for ISVs to ship well tested, quality software. (Hi Adobe.)
The audio situation in Linux is the worst! I've been bitching about it for almost a decade, and it's no better than it ever has been. They're pretty much at the point where most sound cards can play stereo sound over a simple stereo mini analog output. If you're asking for more than that, good luck.
When iPHone applications crash, they just disappear.
I can't say 100%, but I'm pretty sure that the only errors that you will ever be shown on your iPhone are failed text message, no internet connection errors, and the overheating warning.
The audio situation in Linux is theworst! I've been bitching about it for almost a decade, and it's no better than it ever has been. They're pretty much at the point where most sound cards can play stereo sound over a simple stereo mini analog output. If you're asking for more than that, good luck.
That's what I ended up doing. Firefox really needs to get their shit together when it comes to PDFs, though.
I wouldn't say that it's Firefox's fault. Opening PDF files in any browser has always been crappy (for me at least).
Yeah. It sucks in Chrome, too. IE, well, we all know how that works. As far as Netscape, I haven't used it in a long time, but I imagine its the same there. Firefox and Chrome just suck less than most of the other browsers.
That's what I ended up doing. Firefox really needs to get their shit together when it comes to PDFs, though.
I wouldn't say that it's Firefox's fault. Opening PDF files in any browser has always been crappy (for me at least).
Yeah. It sucks in Chrome, too. IE, well, we all know how that works. As far as Netscape, I haven't used it in a long time, but I imagine its the same there. Firefox and Chrome just suck less than most of the other browsers.
I can't wait until the actual 3.5 is released.
Safari on a Mac gets the job done. Maybe because it can rely on Preview.
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At least this is what CS3 + CS4 have taught me.
No, I just went to Options->Privacy and said "accept all cookies until i close firefox" and then ->exception and added all the sites I went to with any regularity (google, forums, etc)
Also, I don't know if it actually makes a difference, or if it's just me, but using the default FF theme seems to speed things up somewhat. Can anyone verify this or am I talking BS? Even though I'll have to adjust to the look, it's nice.
-- This edition of Conrad's Conspiracy Theory Corner should not be taken seriously in any way possible
The console may alleviate some of this problem with OSX, but it is an Apple-wide problem. When iPHone applications crash, they just disappear. They don't tell you why. If iTunes on Windows has a problem with no error message, good luck.
Molly Wood said it best on TwiT. Apple's systems force you to conform to the way they do things. If you don't conform, life will be very hard. PCs largely conform to you, rather than the other way around.
Again, all three major OSes are almost entirely identical for desktop use. We need to combine the good, and remove the bad, aspect of all three.
You can extend this to Firefox as well. Recently a Johnny Wander reader emailed me with some screenshots in which one of the textfields was spilling way outside of the content area. I was unable to reproduce on any operating system, and conceded that it must have been one of his extensions providing a user agent style sheet. The mystery remains.
I think that somewhere in-between complete freedom and complete rigidity there's a sane point. The question was more food for thought than anything.
How, uh, how you comin' on that book you're writin'? Huh? Got a big, uh, big stack of papers there?
I can't wait until the actual 3.5 is released.