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My dilemma on obesity

edited August 2006 in Everything Else
Our kids are getting fatter. Apparently Australians are the fattest people after Americans, or something like that I can't remember. Recently someone wanted to introduce a ban on advertising junk food during children's programs, and the federal health minister said no.

Here's a link to the article. Apparently it was the Greens suggestion, that's good the head of the South Australian Greens is coming to give a lecture to my class at uni, I shall ask him about it.

Here's my dilemma:
I think that advertisers take advantage of the fact that kids are pretty susceptible to advertising which is kind of evil. I also think that someone has to do something and parents aren't. On the other hand our society is more and more loosing the idea of personal responsibility. Its not actually the advertisers fault people are fat, its the people eating the food or more importantly letting their kids eat the food. If you don't want your kids eating junk food maybe you shouldn't buy it for them and if the kids get mad that's their own problem, you're their parent.

I also have a problem with finding myself on the same side of a debate as Tony Abbott, who (and I'm trying to be fair and balanced here), is a complete fuckhead.

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  • I don't think it's a problem for advertisers of such products to advertise during children's programs, because kids have no power in purchasing. It's up to their parents what they eat, and if every so often they give them some junk as a snack that's just how it is. It's a lot like this videogame violence stuff, it's not the videogame or the junk foods responsibility, it's the responsibility of the kids parents to know what their child is doing and eating. Simple as that.

    The problem with this country is the lack of good parenting.
  • Honestly, I think that a large amount of the problem is in the schools!

    The problem as I see it is:

    1. That many schools getting rid of recess,
    2. The lack of healthy foods in the cafeterias,
    3. The loss of good sleep (having kids wake up early in the morning, and then having them up late at night doing homework),
    4. Bullying, causing depression, causing kids to eat "comfort food"!

    Luckily, I'm home-schooled, so I don't have to deal with this.
    However, EVERY kid I know that goes to school is very overweight, while most home-schooled kids I know are healthy.
  • I'll agree that 1 might be a 'cause, as well as 2 and 3. But to say something like bullying is a cause is just something you don't have experience about. 2 and 3 can also be refuted a bit since if parents made their kids lunchs then 2 isn't an issue.

    But back to the bullying. It sounds like you mean that everyone is bullied, which is far from the case. And the thing is that bullying is a part of life. You'll likely get "bullied" at some point in your life for a reason, or for no reason at all.

    I mean what the hell happened to this country?! When did everyone start coddling their kids? Like this whole thing against dodgeball. It's this coddling parenting that's the problem. Their kids can't doing anything somewhat violent, thats fun and actually promotes exercise.
  • The reason is kids aren't being educated on healthy foods. Plus sports and excersise isn't as mandatory and whatnot as it was in the past. I don't know many kids in my class that can run around the track, let alone run a mile! I'd say everyone should go do marching band or something cool like that to get in shape.
  • Plus sports and excersise isn't as mandatory and whatnot as it was in the past. I don't know many kids in my class that can run around the track, let alone run a mile!
    Some might not agree with you.
  • From an education standpoint, some of this is true. Recesses have been eliminated or reduced to mindless, barely physical activities at some schools here in the US. Junk food is readily available at many schools. Parent uninvolvement is at a shockingly high rate from what I have observed in schools. Phys. Ed. is often considered a joke or unimportant by parents, and the state requirements for the class are followed with as little effort as possible.

    While all of these are factors, parents hold the power. I have actually seen a mother in a MacDonalds feeding her toddler french fries and Coke from a sippy-cup. Take into account that something like 70% (I think that was the stat, I forget exactly) of obesce children grow up to be obesce adults, and you can see the problem. Additionally, adults who are obesce have children who take on the same eating habits, and thus begins a very difficult circle to break from.
  • Wow!

    Not in my house! My 7 yr old daughter does not drink ANY soda except Ginger Ale when she has an upset stomach/the pukes... She does eat a lot of mac and chesse and pizza (organic and home made only)...

    Her only "comfort food" is the four white oreos she gets to eat per day.

    Otherwise she drinks a lot of water.

    Then again my wife is a vegetarian and I'm a forced vegetarian (acquired an extreme allergy to beef in the last few years) so we don't buy a lot of junk food. The "junk" food we do buy is healthy ala nuts, organic chips, etc...

    I do see the uninvolved parents all the time. My wife co-leads a brownie troop and it's amazing how many parents show up late to get their kids and view the troop as just an extended form of babysitting...
  • edited August 2006
    Wow!

    Not in my house! My 7 yr old daughter does not drink ANY soda except Ginger Ale when she has an upset stomach/the pukes... She does eat a lot of mac and chesse and pizza (organic and home made only)...

    Her only "comfort food" is the four white oreos she gets to eat per day.

    Otherwise she drinks a lot of water.

    Then again my wife is a vegetarian and I'm a forced vegetarian (acquired an extreme allergy to beef in the last few years) so we don't buy a lot of junk food. The "junk" food we do buy is healthy ala nuts, organic chips, etc...

    I do see the uninvolved parents all the time. My wife co-leads a brownie troop and it's amazing how many parents show up late to get their kids and view the troop as just an extended form of babysitting...
    wooop woooop organic food alarm wooop wooop. You do realize that "organic" food is not healthier than normal food in any way. It's heavily marketed to seem healthier and to appeal to hippie types, but it's actually just more expensive. I'll let the food inspector talk about this some more.

    Also, is there really such a thing as a beef allergy? I am skeptical.
    Post edited by Apreche on
  • edited August 2006
    Wow!

    Not in my house! My 7 yr old daughter does not drink ANY soda except Ginger Ale when she has an upset stomach/the pukes... She does eat a lot of mac and chesse and pizza (organic and home made only)...

    Her only "comfort food" is the four white oreos she gets to eat per day.

    Otherwise she drinks a lot of water.

    Then again my wife is a vegetarian and I'm a forced vegetarian (acquired an extreme allergy to beef in the last few years) so we don't buy a lot of junk food. The "junk" food we do buy is healthy ala nuts, organic chips, etc...
    I do see the uninvolved parents all the time. My wife co-leads a brownie troop and it's amazing how many parents show up late to get their kids and view the troop as just an extended form of babysitting...
    wooop woooop organic food alarm wooop wooop. You do realize that "organic" food is not healthier than normal food in any way. It's heavily marketed to seem healthier and to appeal to hippie types, but it's actually just more expensive. I'll let the food inspector talk about this some more.

    Also, is there really such a thing as a beef allergy? I am skeptical. And if there is a beef allergy, I am skeptical that you actually have one.
    Post edited by Apreche on
  • edited August 2006
    Yes there is.

    EDIT: sorry didnt realize that the actual paper is password protected, but the abstract should be enough proof. meh.
    Post edited by Andrew on
  • Yes, some organics are "organic in name only" and I watch out for those.

    Have you ever gone from "Skippy" Peanut Butter to a natural/organic brand? There is no going back.

    When buying "organic" foods (aren't all foods organic: Of, relating to, or derived from living organisms: organic matter)?

    come on, even oil and gasoline are "organic" in that they come from 'once living matter'!

    When we buy organic foods we are specifically looking for foods without certain dyes and food stabalizer type ingredients. If that piece of food can sit on the shelf for months at a time and still be good... I probably do not want to eat it!
  • Thanks for the beef allaergy link.

    I first noticed it a few years back after eating a large steak I bought at the food store. I first thought I just got a bad piece of beef... Later, after some allergy testing, I learned the truth.

    Having a beef allaergy sucks! There are so many things I can not eat now... I also have a milk allergy (lactose intolerence) yet I have no problem with cheese???
  • edited August 2006
    <blockquote rel="Apreche">
    Also, is there really such a thing as a beef allergy? I am skeptical. And if there is a beef allergy, I am skeptical that you actually have one.</blockquote>

    Since you are the one who keeps digging holes to argue from I'll take your words with a pound of salt.

    Otherwise, put your money where your mouth is. Come on by the house with a steak, a box of Benedryl and some betting money. When I break out in the "itchy-scratchy" full body welts you can hand be the pills and the cash.
    Post edited by HMTKSteve on
  • edited August 2006
    I really don't see what the problem is. I mean if you want to eat, then eat. And if you get fat it isn't the fault of advertisers, it isn't the fault of the restaurants or the food manufacturing companies, it's your own. It's your own fault for not taking responsibility for your own body by eating better and exercising more. And keep in mind that restaurants wouldn't have all of these fatty foods if people didn't want them.
    Post edited by MarcusNoble on
  • In the immortal words of Jonesey (Penn & Teller's pianist) on an episode of Bullshit, "Just don't eat so fucking much."
  • I really don't see what the problem is. I mean if you want to eat, then eat. And if you get fat it isn't the fault of advertisers, it isn't the fault of the restaurants or the food manufacturing companies, it's your own. It's your own fault for not taking responsibility for your own body by eating better and exercising more. And keep in mind that restaurants wouldn't have all of these fatty foods if people didn't want them.
    But when you're 3 (or younger) you don't have a choice in your diet and it's that formative stage that can establish lifelong eating habits. I don't necessarily blame advertising/restaurants/space aliens that our nation's children are getting fatter. I think ultimately blame lies with the parents. I don't think it's disingenious, however, to accuse the aformentioned entities of making the parent's job a lot harder than it has to be.
  • Does anyone else rembmer when cereal had the word "sugar" in the name?

    Sugar Frosted Flakes
    Sugar Smacks?

    Remember Super Sugar Bear???
  • yea I have to say before you are 12 and probably soon after that I would assume that most of the responsibly of what you are eating relies heavily on your parents and what they decide to get for you.

    A beef "Allergy" is probably really the lack of the nessary bacteria to digest red meat which alot of vegatarians develop.
  • Well, even though I live in a "vegetarian" household I have always snuck in a steak or burger at least once a month. Or I did until I started breaking out in a rash from eating it...
  • Well, even though I live in a "vegetarian" household I have always snuck in a steak or burger at least once a month. Or I did until I started breaking out in a rash from eating it...
    One word: Chicken. Was that so hard?
  • I do eat chicken. I eat it a lot.
  • Steve I think it was guilt. I couldn't be vegetarian, I like my meat. People can get reactions to all sorts of shit. A friend of mine is allergic to the cold, another one is allergic to fruit, another is allergic to tomato.
  • I've never felt guilty eating beef :)
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