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Girls by the Luna Brothers

edited August 2009 in Manga/Comics
I was wondering if anyone has read this series? It's similar to "The Walking Dead" but with cloned hot chicks instead of Zombies, and they only attack the woman and offer to mate with men.
There is a lot of insight into gender inequality and defining/questioning the roles of the 'man' and 'woman'.
The first issue is available free here (fixed link)

Giant Sperm for the win!!

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  • The link to the first issue is broken.
  • I read this a couple years ago. I remember a lot of the character flaws being pretty realistic, but maybe it's just my own perversions being projected upon the rest of the male species. Sorry, bros.

    It was also refreshingly graphic in spots, similar to the Walking Dead as you said. I'm not sure how I feel about the artwork. It certainly worked and didn't detract from the story, but it almost feels like an example of someone who lacks natural talent, but compensates for it with tons of practice and study. (like Rock Lee for you Naruto fans)

    The strongest elements for me are definitely those male/female conflicts when everything is laid bare, which is good because they're the whole point of the story. I'd recommend it to anyone that's old enough to have gotten both into and out of a relationship. You'll probably see yourself in this.
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    I just read the first issue and it is all I will ever read. The distorted, simplified, and sexist view of both genders combined with the stilted/unrealistic/hyper-sexual dialogue and less than stellar artwork leave this comic with no redeeming factors.
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  • I've seen it on the shelves and comic order form lists, but I never really knew what it was about until now. It doesn't sound particularly exciting to me. However, The Sword, also by the Luna Brothers, is good stuff.
  • I read the preview. I will have to pass. The characters are pretty generic.
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    I just read the first issue and it is all I will ever read. The distorted, simplified, and sexist view ofbothgenders combined with the stilted/unrealistic/hyper-sexual dialogue and less than stellar artwork leave this comic with no redeeming factors.
    Granted, it's been a while since I read it, but I have to disagree with you on all points, with maybe the exception of it being simplistic. These characters exist all around us. Perhaps you hang with a different crowd, but I think your average guy would take advantage of a naked nymphomaniac opportunity when it really came down to it. People are capable of just about anything given the right situation. Most of the infidelity statistics I've seen suggest that at least a quarter of all married couples in the US have one of the individuals admitting to sexual infidelity. Many suggest that the true number is over half, and that's without hot naked chicks walking around.

    As for it being sexist, I think you're ignoring the context in which this is presented. This whole setup is examining the values that men and women place on each other. Sure, not all sides are shown, but sides aren't really being taken by the authors. If you're looking for a literal examination of the male/female dynamic, I would say that those types of expectations are better left for books which don't feature giant alien sperm and space ova. What Girls does instead is take some simple questions and presents them at their extremes to really get at the meat of how people may think.

    The bottom line is this; Girls may not be a fair portrayal of men in women from your perspective, but perspectives aren't fair in and of themselves. It's one of those books where the authors throw something out there for discussion, and as long as people talk about it, mission accomplished. I would assume from your reaction that you have a more positive outlook on relationships and men and women, which is probably a good thing since you are married(?). I myself am more realistic(or pessimistic depending on your view).

    I actually see a lot of myself in the reactions of the women. How do you feel when you find out that someone's desire for you can be reduced down to a few components that you yourself deem as unimportant? How are you supposed to react? But in the interest of full disclosure, I'd probably do the naked chick too under the same circumstances. I mean, they technically were broken up at that point.
    Post edited by BrutishSaucer on
  • I just read the first issue and it is all I will ever read. The distorted, simplified, and sexist view ofbothgenders combined with the stilted/unrealistic/hyper-sexual dialogue and less than stellar artwork leave this comic with no redeeming factors.
    Granted, it's been a while since I read it, but I have to disagree with you on all points, with maybe the exception of it being simplistic. These characters exist all around us. Perhaps you hang with a different crowd, but I think your average guy would take advantage of a naked nymphomaniac opportunity when it really came down to it. People are capable of just about anything given the right situation. Most of the infidelity statistics I've seen suggest that at least a quarter of all married couples in the US have one of the individuals admitting to sexual infidelity. Many suggest that the true number is over half, and that's without hot naked chicks walking around.

    As for it being sexist, I think you're ignoring the context in which this is presented. This whole setup is examining the values that men and women place on each other. Sure, not all sides are shown, but sides aren't really being taken by the authors. If you're looking for a literal examination of the male/female dynamic, I would say that those types of expectations are better left for books which don't feature giant alien sperm and space ova. What Girls does instead is take some simple questions and presents them at their extremes to really get at the meat of how people may think.

    The bottom line is this; Girls may not be a fair portrayal of men in women from your perspective, but perspectives aren't fair in and of themselves. It's one of those books where the authors throw something out there for discussion, and as long as people talk about it, mission accomplished. I would assume from your reaction that you have a more positive outlook on relationships and men and women, which is probably a good thing since you are married(?). I myself am more realistic(or pessimistic depending on your view).

    I actually see a lot of myself in the reactions of the women. How do you feel when you find out that someone's desire for you can be reduced down to a few components that you yourself deem as unimportant? How are you supposed to react? But in the interest of full disclosure, I'd probably do the naked chick too under the same circumstances. I mean, they technically were broken up at that point.
    I agree, the comic portrays people very well.
  • edited August 2009
    I am not speaking from a point of personal perspective (I've mixed with all sorts of all ages). I am also not speaking as a prude or someone that doesn't realize that many people are sexually opportunistic/sex crazed. This is not a critique of anyone's personal perspective or tastes, just this comic.

    The dialogue from the get go is hyper-sexualized, the women flirt unrealistically and overtly to the point of being cartoonish and then seem idiotically oblivious to their action (seriously, no woman asks a cashier to squeeze her melons without being aware of the connotation) and the main character is focused exclusively on sex (a terrible male stereotype). Beyond that, the dialogue and situations are forced and stilted.

    If this is the reality you know, I think you need to move away from the sex crazed, one dimensional idiots that you live near.
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    You know, I think it's one of those situations where they have fantasy women as written by men, and they come across to real women as unrealistic and stilted, rather than erotic. I wonder if that's what it's like to be a gay man reading a lame unrealistic YAOI comic.

    I think to make an erotic female character or sexual tension, you have to focus on the little quirks of posture and body. It's not just BOOBSBOOBS, it's the suggestive running of her finger across her collarbone, or the way she glances up from under her bangs, perhaps the fact that her skirt slips a little too far up her thigh.
    Actuallly, as far as that sort of thing goes, Sanctuary has some really sexy moments (with Asami and Hojo's girlfriends, at least, not with Mr. Tokai a-rapin' hookers.)
    A fair number of the guys I know find subtlety sexy more attractive than the overt Boobie boobie moments of many comics. They like grown-up sexy.
    Post edited by gomidog on
  • You know, I think it's one of those situations where they have fantasy women as written by men, and they come across to real women as unrealistic and stilted, rather than erotic. I wonder if that's what it's like to be a gay man reading a lame YAOI comic.
    As a straight guy, I thought the women's dialogue, at least as far as I managed to get through it, was pretty awful.
  • Okay, I should qualify this and say, "comes across to people who don't think of women in a stereotypical way."
  • The dialogue from the get go is hyper-sexualized, the women flirt unrealistically and overtly to the point of being cartoonish and then seem idiotically oblivious to their action (seriously, no woman asks a cashier to squeeze her melons without being aware of the connotation) and the main character is focused exclusively on sex (a terrible male stereotype). Beyond that, the dialogue and situations are forced and stilted.
    I see your point however, I don't see why it has to be seen at all as a real life situations or make comparisons to real life people. Although the style of the artwork suggests realism I don't see it any different then any other comic where a lot of times characters/situations/dialogue are grossly exaggerated in some way to reflect an aspect of reality. The situations portray are prevalent in sitcoms and especially manga of similar genre (even the "good" ones), there is no preconception towards these other forms that it has to be "real".

    I really enjoyed this series. It was entertaining for what it was; social commentary presented within a nude chicks apocalypse.
  • I'm siding with Mrs. MacRoss on this. Any comic that spends a third of its first issue on a misogynist rant and another third on ridiculous innuendos and stereotype setups is not worth my time.

    I'll stick with 100 Bullets and the like for now.
  • (seriously, no woman asks a cashier to squeeze her melons without being aware of the connotation)
    On somewhat related tangent, I was at a convenience store yesterday and only had a $100 bill, so I pulled it out and asked the cashier, lady in her 20s, if it was too big for her. She grins and says, "I like them big." As soon as I left the store, I caught on to her meaning, but my response at the register was to agree with her. So now she either thinks I'm gay or an idiot. That's another store I can never go back to. I'm always about 5 steps behind when speaking with women.

    I have to admit that I've never been a woman myself, and I'll concede that the authors, being men, are probably writing their women characters with the limitation of only having the male perspective. I guess what I would say then is that the women in the story are consistent with many women from my own perspective and experience. Objectively, the reality might be completely off, but because I'm stuck with myself, the characters relate quite heavily with me.
    If this is the reality you know, I think you need to move away from the sex crazed, one dimensional idiots that you live near.
    I did actually move far away, but it was probably more to get away from the God fearing ultra conservative slant and small town atmosphere. As far as the sex crazed idiots, they exist everywhere; some just hide it better than others. I certainly fall into that often-used example of the average guy that thinks about sex a billion times a day. It's rarely specific to sex, but more sexually-related topics. Every female you meet is automatically categorized in terms of attractive qualities. See girl walking down the street with the tight skirt? Boing - instant boner. Getting a haircut? Boing. Smell of perfume? Boing. Phone rin-BOING!

    Of course, in my civilian life everyone considers me to be sexually prudish and an upstanding gentleman. Lots of girls think that I'm gay because I make such an effort to "ignore" their femininity. Or maybe it's because I like show-tunes. But anyway, I suspect that "sex crazed idiot" is the default configuration for a man, and quite a powerful one at that.
  • See girl walking down the street with the tight skirt? Boing - instant boner. Getting a haircut? Boing. Smell of perfume? Boing. Phone rin-BOING!
  • edited August 2009

    Of course, in my civilian life everyone considers me to be sexually prudish and an upstanding gentleman. Lots of girls think that I'm gay because I make such an effort to "ignore" their femininity. Or maybe it's because I like show-tunes. But anyway, I suspect that "sex crazed idiot" is the default configuration for a man, and quite a powerful one at that.
    So you're just repressed, then. I bet you are a teenager, huh, having boners at cheese sandwiches and stuff? If you weren't so pent up, you wouldn't be a "sex-crazed idiot."

    Dude, there's nothing wrong with noticing the attractive qualities of people, both male and female, and having a healthy sexual desire. It just seems that that's the only thing you pay attention to and you let this obsession eclipse their humanity. Rym loves talking to pretty women and I appreciate beauty as I pass people in the city, but to say that that is our primary driving force is a lie. "Sex-crazed idiot" is an insult to intelligent people, who like women in a sensual way but are cool, understanding, and above all, act like rational human beings.

    Plus, in my personal book of feminism, anyone who labels himself an "upstanding gentleman" is probably a misogynist. It's you "sex-crazed idiots" who create "femininity" in the first place, dammit! You poor porn-sick dude.
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    Plus, in my personal book of feminism, anyone who labels himself an "upstanding gentleman" is probably a misogynist. It's you "sex-crazed idiots" who create "femininity" in the first place, dammit! You poor porn-sick dude.
    Wow. I agree with most of what you said, but that sounds pretty judgmental.
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    Hey, I didn't call him a sex-crazed idiot. He said it himself.

    As far as the upstanding gentlemen thing is concerned, it's the same as the "nice guy" scenario. It reeks of effort. I'd rather someone just be chill and treat me like one of the guys, perhaps one of the guys they'd be okay snogging if it came right down to it, but just another pal. Don't go out of your way just because I'm female. Be open with me and treat me like a friend, but if you like me, you can tell me.
    Post edited by gomidog on
  • Hey, I didn't call him a sex-crazed idiot. He said it himself.
    No, but you called him a "poor porn-sick dude" and "probably a misogynist".
    As far as the upstanding gentlemen thing is concerned, it's the same as the "nice guy" scenario. It reeks of effort.
    Maybe we can get a clarification on what he means by "upstanding gentleman" before we label him "probably a misogynist".
  • He is porn-sick (like love-sick only only concerned about melons) because he described the way he views women as hotcha hotcha all day, and a maybe misogynist in that he seems to have a very negative view of real women (and men as well.)
    Every female you meet is automatically categorized in terms of attractive qualities.
    I guess what I would say then is that the women in the story are consistent with many women from my own perspective and experience. Objectively, the reality might be completely off, but because I'm stuck with myself, the characters relate quite heavily with me.
    But even though I am harsh on the internet *portal sentry voice* I don't hate you.
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