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Crimes, mental illness, and culpability

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  • Okay, so I saw this thread a few minutes ago, before Scott's response just now, and half-expected the argument to be over. Then I come look at it now... Nope, clones.

    Keep it up, Scott, I'm laughing my ass off here
  • By the way, Bedford was killed shortly after 11 a.m. The US Supreme Court rejected the defense's stay of execution request.
  • Keep it up, Scott, I'm laughing my ass off here
  • You do know that sign is generally considered to be a MASSIVE mistake, part way into a venture that is widely considered to be a MASSIVE disaster, based on decision making which is considered to be MASSIVELY ignorant and misguided.

    Aim high, Scott!
  • You do know that sign is generally considered to be a MASSIVE mistake, part way into a venture that is widely considered to be a MASSIVE disaster, based on decision making which is considered to be MASSIVELY ignorant and misguided.

    Aim high, Scott!
    No! You don't say.
  • Trolling your own forum until we all think you are an idiot? You should go into politics.
  • edited May 2011
    Trolling your own forum until we all think you are an idiot? You should go into politics.
    I'm just bored at work. There's not much going on lately. Excitement picks up again later this week. This is the only thread with any velocity right now.
    Post edited by Apreche on
  • Trolling your own forum until we all think you are an idiot? You should go into politics.
    I'm just bored at work. There's not much going on lately. Excitement picks up again later this week. This is the only thread with any velocity right now.
    Boredom is fleeting. A reputation for being a crazy idiot lasts a bit longer.
  • Boredom is fleeting. A reputation for being a crazy idiot lasts a bit longer.
    Yeah.
  • It's Internets. If you take it too seriously, you'll end up like this guy. http://www.noahgarfinkel.com/?p=434
  • Internets? Is this meant to be another realm that has no relevance?

    I treat every interaction I have online as the equal to any non-online interaction. I'm the same person (or at least aim to be) in every aspect of my life, and the internet is just one aspect. And you know what? It's probably the widest reaching. It's no more serious or non-serious than non-internet stuff. Right?

    Then again, I guess you troll in "real life" too.






    OH SHIT! I'M HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH SCOTT! FAIL MY LIFE.
  • OH SHIT! I'M HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH SCOTT! FAIL MY LIFE.
    Win.
  • Listen, with your silly hypothetical set up as it is, I still have absolutely zero compassion for you. Why? Because your incapacity is VOLUNTARY. If you're really, really sad because you're stuck in jail and don't know why, it's YOUR fault that you VOLUNTARILY incapacitated yourself. Is that a little more clear?
    What if I cloned myself after committing a crime, then killed myself. That clone didn't commit the crimes, but it has a physically identical body to myself. Should you keep it in jail in my place?

    Now if I erase or reset my brain somehow, how is that any different than creating a clone and committing suicide? Or is it not a whole new person? Is who you are so strongly tied to those specific atoms which make up your body? Considering in 7-10 years every cell in your body dies and is replaced, I'm not so sure. Then wouldn't a clone, who at least starts in the same molecular configuration as the original, be the same person? If I created a clone of Bin Laden in a lab, would he be responsible for the crimes of the original?

    I'm talking like sci-fi clone, not Dolly the Sheep style.
    Inasmuch as the concept of 'responsibility' has meaning, if you duplicate your mental state in making the clone, then that clone is just as responsible as you were.
    You might as well ask 'What if I kill someone and then go through a Star Trek transporter?'
  • Inasmuch as the concept of 'responsibility' has meaning, if you duplicate your mental state in making the clone, then that clone is just as responsible as you were.
    You might as well ask 'What if I kill someone and then go through a Star Trek transporter?'
    If I have clones, can you try us all in the same court all at once as one person? Do we all have to suffer the full sentence even though it was only the original one that did it?

    In somewhat related questions, if you have nine clones and I kill one of them, is it murder or one tenth of a murder?
  • edited May 2011
    If I have clones, can you try us all in the same court all at once as one person? Do we all have to suffer the full sentence even though it was only the original one that did it?
    If the duplicates were made after the crime was committed, they are equally responsible and suffer the full sentence.
    In somewhat related questions, if you have nine clones and I kill one of them, is it murder or one tenth of a murder?
    Full murder.
    Post edited by lackofcheese on
  • Based on my experience with Paranoia, I think your clones responsibility to serve for your crimes depends entirely on what the computer thinks is the most entertaining at any given moment.
  • It's Internets. If you take it too seriously, you'll end up like this guy.
    Better than being like this guy.
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