I was thinking about the bathroom problems facing the protesters. It smells like hobo pee very badly here and protesters are harassing the local delis and using their bathrooms, making a mess without buying things. This makes them look like dirty freeloaders, which is exactly what the right wants to see them as. I think they should compile a list of all public restrooms in the area, and all wait in line to use those. Someone should buy or donate brushes, buckets, mops, gloves, and cleaning supplies. Three times a day, people will sign up in shifts to clean the bathrooms, once in the morning, once in the afternoon, and once at night. They will make those bathrooms sparkling, even better than when they have come there. Not only will it show the communal spirit, caring for the group, but it will demonstrate that to get something from a society, you have to give back. If everyone takes care of public things and puts in effort (or, you know, taxes), everyone will get something back. It's not fun, but the results will be good.
See unlike those guys in NYC, the City of Philadelphia sent a nice letter to their protesters helping them with logistics in placing portable bathrooms. I was thinking of donating some money to the cause there to help them acquire them.
I think they should compile a list of all public restrooms in the area, and all wait in line to use those. Someone should buy or donate brushes, buckets, mops, gloves, and cleaning supplies. Three times a day, people will sign up in shifts to clean the bathrooms, once in the morning, once in the afternoon, and once at night. They will make those bathrooms sparkling, even better than when they have come there.
I think they should compile a list of all public restrooms in the area, and all wait in line to use those. Someone should buy or donate brushes, buckets, mops, gloves, and cleaning supplies. Three times a day, people will sign up in shifts to clean the bathrooms, once in the morning, once in the afternoon, and once at night. They will make those bathrooms sparkling, even better than when they have come there.
See unlike those guys in NYC, the City of Philadelphia sent a nice letter to their protesters helping them with logistics in placing portable bathrooms.
There are way too many of them here for that to be a feasible solution.
None of the corporations listed are banks nor work on wall street. I mean, thank god no one bought CDOs at the Sony. And the last time I got my mortgage through The Gap, it didn't fit quite right.
Exactly, this photo (and captions) is just as wrong as the Tea Party one. OWS is not against all corporations just as the Tea Party is not against all government functions.
None of the corporations listed are banks nor work on wall street. I mean, thank god no one bought CDOs at the Sony. And the last time I got my mortgage through The Gap, it didn't fit quite right.
I suppose by that tea-party logic everyone should be out there in the nude and sending everything by post, not getting photographic or video evidence of anything, while killing all the local wildlife to feed themselves and drinking from the Hudson. Of course, then they'd criticize them for being dirty hippies. I also love the hypocrisy of criticizing people and mocking them when they are going after the banks and shady contributors to the economic downfalls, while completely ignoring the actual issues.
Exactly, this photo (and captions) is just as wrong as the Tea Party one. OWS is not against all corporations just as the Tea Party is not against all government functions.
Heh, the other criticism, is how many of THOSE products were made in America by American companies?
Why do I feel like we keep having the same exact arguments over and over again?
We've been having the same exact arguments over and over again for centuries. The Internet just makes the arguments go by faster, so we can cycle through them all multiple times within just a few years. As the rotation time gets faster we will be able to see all the problems of society at once.
Society moves back and forth usually always progressing but for every moment of progress there is a time of regression and then a time of progression and then... so on and so on.
To many American companies manufacture in China. Even RPGs are printed in China these days! Bring those jobs back!
Why would you? It's too cheap to produce things in China to even be worth arguing that those jobs should be brought back. The fact of the matter is that the lack of any sort of corporate responsibility in China coupled with a globalized market mean that unless you tell companies that their products marketed for US sale MUST be ethically sourced (which would never fly), those jobs aren't coming back.
Focus on job creation, not on bitching about losses to the capitalist system that's touted so highly by so many in the US.
Focus on job creation, not on bitching about losses to the capitalist system that's touted so highly by so many in the US.
Here here! I always bring it back to education, as well. We need to make our population more competitive in the global market so that people will either really want to have their offices here (because we have highly educated and motivated workers available) or they HAVE to have their offices here (because our workers have skills and specialties that no one else can have). That wouldn't bring jobs "back", but makes it more likely that further expansion would be into the US and not somewhere else.
tell companies that their products marketed for US sale MUST be ethically sourced (which would never fly)
Tariffs!
Yeah, alright. Try to sell the country on that when they realize the price of their iPods is about to jump a few hundred dollars.
So you would rather buy a device made in Chinese sweatshops than one made in the US if it saves you a couple of dollars? Apple is stupid profitable right now, they can afford to manufacture in the US.
Education is not the answer. If it were we wouldn't have college grads at the OWS event asking to have their student loans forgiven because they can't find a job in their field. Why is student loan debt so high in this country? Why is no one going after colleges and universities for price gouging?
So you would rather buy a device made in Chinese sweatshops than one made in the US if it saves you a couple of dollars? Apple is stupid profitable right now, they can afford to manufacture in the US.
Just because I have an ethical dilemma about the sourcing of my electronics (I do) doesn't mean the rest of America does. Johnny Walmart likely doesn't give two fucks whether or not the poor chap who assembled his $20 microwave threw himself off of a building because of a combination of suicidal depression and sleep deprivation. He just likes cheap shit.
Education is not the answer. If it were we wouldn't have college grads at the OWS event asking to have their student loans forgiven because they can't find a job in their field. Why is student loan debt so high in this country? Why is no one going after colleges and universities for price gouging?
Education is the answer. The problem is that higher education has become a place where a lot of people go for years of coasting, and they don't study anything useful. While this is definitely my opinion, the fact that we've been churning out business majors like crazy is obviously going to lead to a larger supply than demand. It also comes back to lackluster public schools that don't offer any meaningful introduction to science and technology, so a lot of otherwise capable people are overwhelmed by the "challenging" courses in college.
Cost is definitely a problem, though. While public universities are still a fairly good deal when you're attending in-state, private for-profit universities (like Strayer) are grossly overcharging and can be fairly predatory. Thankfully, there are things being done about this.
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I found this photo and it's a great response to the one of the Tea Party sitting by the street lights with all of the public goods highlighted.
I also love the hypocrisy of criticizing people and mocking them when they are going after the banks and shady contributors to the economic downfalls, while completely ignoring the actual issues.
Focus on job creation, not on bitching about losses to the capitalist system that's touted so highly by so many in the US.
Education is not the answer. If it were we wouldn't have college grads at the OWS event asking to have their student loans forgiven because they can't find a job in their field. Why is student loan debt so high in this country? Why is no one going after colleges and universities for price gouging?
And Adam Smith would be proud.
Cost is definitely a problem, though. While public universities are still a fairly good deal when you're attending in-state, private for-profit universities (like Strayer) are grossly overcharging and can be fairly predatory. Thankfully, there are things being done about this.