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I recently discovered the cocktail called the "old fashioned". The recipe calls for a specific kind of orange bitters. I was wondering, for any mixologists out there, could I use something like triple sec instead of orange bitters? The kind that all the recipes call for is hard to find.
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  • Old fashioned are often mixed in other ways. I would say that most bartenders are familiar with it, but every place seems to do it a bit differently.
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    Right, First, you don't really need a specific kind of orange bitters, regular angostura will do. And you can get that pretty much fuckin' anywhere.

    Now, this is an old, old motherfucker of a cocktail. I'm talking Abe Vigoda old. The reason it's called an old fashioned cocktail is that it's a cocktail from before cocktails were cocktails, so by the time they started being called cocktails, it was an old fashioned cocktail. THE old fashioned cocktail, in fact, one that EVERYBODY knew.

    It's also my favorite method for testing the quality of a bartender, because it's a deceptively hard one to do perfectly, but surprisingly easy to get decent.

    Here's how I do it.

    First, I grab a half a sugar cube - so that it's about a centimeter square on the side, but only about half a centimeter thick. Chuck that in your Old fashioned glass, also known as a rocks glass. White sugar, preferably, it adds the sweetness without the extra molasses flavor.

    Then, it's time to fuck money and get bitters. You want about three dashes, try to get as much on the cube as you can, soak that fucker, but using accuracy, not volume. Dashes is too an exact measurement with an ango bitters bottle, that's just the way the pour is. You'll figure that out.

    Then, you want to grab some club soda. Fuck all, really, it's only about a teaspoon and a half or so, just a touch. Chuck that in, it's just to help it all mix together.

    Now, take your muddle - it's those things you see bartenders with, it looks like a six-inch or so hunk of wood shaped rather like a tiny baseball bat - and then crush the sugar cube well, make it mix with the bitters and club soda. Make sure it's pretty well dissolved.

    Now, the good bit - all good men, take up your Bourbon. But you can also use Rye, whichever you prefer. Make sure it's at least decent. I don't drink nasty shit, and nor should you. Grab that fucker, and grab your measure, and add two ounces of the stuff. No more, no less - remember, it's about taste and flavor, not alcohol content.

    Throw in a small amount of ice - three mid-size cubes is enough, you don't want to over-water it. That shit melts, remember?

    Now, You gotta grab a lemon. You can also use an orange(never a lime, you philistine), but I prefer lemon, so that's how we're rolling here. Better be good with a knife, or this is where you're gonna fuck yourself up. Take your knife, and take a pair of thin slices from the outer rind - don't get any of the white pith, which is very bitter, just the skin. Take one peel, squeeze it with the outside pointing into the drink, get a bunch of that lemon oil out into the drink. Then, wipe the rind around the inside of the glass, then up on the rim. You may also wipe it on Rym, but only if you really must, I don't think he'd appreciate it. But he would be Lemony Fresh.

    Now, take your other thin, wide peel, and give it a bend and a twist over the drink, then drop it in, and you have an old fashioned. Adjust recipe till you have it to your liking.
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  • It's the Angosutra bitters that no one seems to have. I haven't checked our biggest liquor store yet, though. I also need to decide on a decent bourbon.

    Also...doesn't it seem a bit much to essentially waste an entire orange (or lemon) just for the skin?
  • It's the Angosutra bitters that no one seems to have. I haven't checked our biggest liquor store yet, though. I also need to decide on a decent bourbon.

    Also...doesn't it seem a bit much to essentially waste an entire orange (or lemon) just for the skin?
    Lemons are useable after your zest them, just put 'em in the fridge with some plastic wrap.
  • Churba, I know I have said this before, but I must again. I love you man.
  • It's the Angosutra bitters that no one seems to have. I haven't checked our biggest liquor store yet, though. I also need to decide on a decent bourbon.
    Yo wassup, Here I come to save your driiiiiiinks! It can be a bit pricey, but it's a rare drink that uses more than a drop or two, those bottles last a really long time, even in working bars. If you can find a 4 ounce cheaper, go for that, but that's the cheapest I found.
    Also...doesn't it seem a bit much to essentially waste an entire orange (or lemon) just for the skin?
    Like Walker said, You just bung a bit of cling film around that fucker, and she's good to go. You know what I do? I'll grab a lemon, cut it into quarters, strip just a little bit of the membranes so that they're juicy and open, then dip them in raw sugar, leave them in the fridge overnight on a plate. Aww yeah.
    Churba, I know I have said this before, but I must again. I love you man.
    Thank you sir, I aim to please.

  • It's interesting that Angostura is hard to find in your area. It's one of the most well-known bitters anywhere!

    I think I'm going to experiment with a Fernet Old Fashioned. We'll see how that works out.
  • Truly, Churba, you are the king of kings...and drinks.
    I also downloaded a fun little app called Mixology that has a bazillion recipes in it.
    Additionally, this is now the official mixed-drink/cocktail thread.
  • What else would Churba King of Drinks recommend along the lines of classy mixed drinks?
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    What else would Churba King of Drinks recommend along the lines of classy mixed drinks?
    Depends, what kind of liquor do you like? Or failing that, what's your thing for flavors, y'know, sweet, sour, any kind of fruit or any such things. Lay it out for me, I'll see what comes to mind.
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  • It's interesting that Angostura is hard to find in your area. It's one of the most well-known bitters anywhere!
    Indeed. Here, we have it in the regular grocery. Phil's favorite is Manhattan, so we always have it on hand.
  • Depends, what kind of liquor do you like? Or failing that, what's your thing for flavors, y'know, sweet, sour, any kind of fruit or any such things. Lay it out for me, I'll see what comes to mind.
    I'm not terribly picky. I've usually got whisky or rum on hand and don't much mind any flavors. Which I know is terribly unhelpful so I'll just say something with rum.
  • edited July 2012
    Summer + Rum + Cocktail = Mojito. I make a really good mojito (I even make my own syrup for that shit), but I'll let Churba take the wheel on instruction. You can also make a capirinha, which typically uses Brazilian white rum, but substitute Bacardi White and you probably won't notice the difference. It's properly impossible to fuck up, too.

    I tried to make some mint-infused rum for the sole purpose of the perfect mojito, but I think I'm going to have to toss the batch. It infused too long and picked up all the tannins, so it starts out minty fresh and then has this bitter, metallic aftertaste. Next time I'll do a shorter infusion with pineapple, mint, and chillis, and that should balance it.
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    Depends, what kind of liquor do you like? Or failing that, what's your thing for flavors, y'know, sweet, sour, any kind of fruit or any such things. Lay it out for me, I'll see what comes to mind.
    I'm not terribly picky. I've usually got whisky or rum on hand and don't much mind any flavors. Which I know is terribly unhelpful so I'll just say something with rum.
    Ah, more helpful than nothing at all.

    Now, Rum, you're well in my wheelhouse as a known Rum Fiend. For me, a constant companion since I had my first sip, it's been a true and faithful friend through Breakups, celebrations, relaxing on the beach, pounding away on a keyboard for work, and a good half of my appearances on FNPL at the least. If there was a flavor to a man's soul, it would be the fragrant caramel spiciness of a good, dark rum.

    I'm firmly of the belief that there are five cocktails you MUST know about with rum. The Hurricane, The Daiquiri, Planter's Punch, The Mojito, and the Mai Tai. So, let's pick one - The Daiquiri.

    (From now on, I'm hiding recipies behind spoiler tags, to avoid clogging up entire pages with my rambling text.)

    Now, I know you probably don't have a half a fruit-truck sitting in your kitchen to blend up with ice and booze - and that's a good thing. I'm not talking about those - they're called "Frozen Daiquiris", and while I make a damned fine one - Queensland mango, frozen, blended with ice and a bit of dark Caribbean rum, simple and lime? You'll cream your jeans - but we're talking daiquiris as they were made in Cuba, before the Spanish american war, supposedly at least partially based on the old British recipe for Grog, but nobody really knows.

    She's real simple, but surprisingly refreshing. First, grab yourself a lime, and squeeze out three-quarters of an ounce or so of juice - you can use a little more, if you want.

    Then, take a sugar cube and a half - I really like sugar cubes, it makes the measuring relatively easy - and put it in the bottom of your shaker with the lime juice, then crush it down and stir till it's nice and dissolved. Do try and get it all dissolved in, but really, just do the best you can. If there is a little in the bottom, you'll be fine.

    Pour in two ounces of white rum on top of that - You can use gold rum, but dark rum is too heavy, and upsets the balance of flavors, and I generally prefer Havana club's white rum over Bacardi, and Inner Circle if I'm going with gold rum, but anything decent will do, remember what we say, I don't drink shit and neither should you.

    Now, give that a brief stir, and load your shaker with ice. And so, it comes to this - we have to discuss how the fuck you shake a drink.

    Now, what you'll see some bartenders doing this pissy little wiggle down near their belly, for a few seconds, and call that shaking, often up and down, maybe a little bit of diagonal or side to side action going on. No. No, no, fuckin' no. From now on, you shake your drinks like a bartender, not some jackass just trying to get drinks out and tips in till he gets another job.

    Now, get yourself a Boston shaker, they're cheap as fuck, just do it. Whatever you have now will do, but pronto, do it. You put a good scoop of ice in it, put the other half on top at a little bit of an angle, then give it a tap with your hand to seat it. Now, take a firm grip on the thing, making sure you're holding the ends with a few fingers - figure out what's comfortable, as long as you're holding the ends - and point it toward you, right above your preferred shoulder - I hold it a little higher, slightly above my head, but wherever around there you find comfortable - and then you want to shake it back and forth, end to end. Really give it a good snap back and forth, as if you're trying to smash the ice on one end, and then the other, because you kinda are. When you get a bit of frost on the outside, you know that sucker is cold.

    Opening it? Simple. Always have the glass pointing up, steel pointing down. There are two ways - you can either squeeze it above the seal, near the top of the metal, to break the seal, or you can give it a whack with the heel of your hand there. I recommend the former, less chance of dropping, mess, and worst, spilled booze.

    RIGHT. Now shake the drink, and strain into a chilled glass. Drink. Rock on.
    Summer + Rum + Cocktail = Mojito. I make a really good mojito (I even make my own syrup for that shit), but I'll let Churba take the wheel on instruction. You can also make a caipirinha, which typically uses Brazilian white rum, but substitute Bacardi White and you probably won't notice the difference. It's properly impossible to fuck up, too.

    I tried to make some mint-infused rum for the sole purpose of the perfect mojito, but I think I'm going to have to toss the batch. It infused too long and picked up all the tannins, so it starts out minty fresh and then has this bitter, metallic aftertaste. Next time I'll do a shorter infusion with pineapple, mint, and chillis, and that should balance it.
    Ta mate. Though, a Caipirinha can be made with white rum, you should make it with Cachaca, which while being known as Brazilian rum, is a little different to your typical rum - instead of being made from molasses, it's made directly from the fresh, un-touched sugarcane juice. Well, untouched till the start making Cachaca from it. But either way, it's SUPER HARD to fuck that drink up.

    As for the infusion, might I make a suggestion - try extracting the mint oils, and blending them into the rum, then leaving it rest a while, rather than infusing directly from the plant - sure, it's not really a proper infusion, but it works quite well, even though with a slightly different texture, and you don't get the tannin-y aftertastes.
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  • Churbs, I hearby request you do a short vid about wgat a proper shaker us and demonstrate the technique.
  • Churbs, I hearby request you do a short vid about wgat a proper shaker us and demonstrate the technique.
    Note: You must be dressed appropriately for this. Surroundings should preferably also be indicative of the skill you will be demonstrating.

    I doubt I'm the only one who wants to see Churbs dressed as a classy bartender.
  • Churbs, I hearby request you do a short vid about wgat a proper shaker us and demonstrate the technique.
    Note: You must be dressed appropriately for this. Surroundings should preferably also be indicative of the skill you will be demonstrating.

    I doubt I'm the only one who wants to see Churbs dressed as a classy bartender.
    I also want this.

    Also, classy drinks involving amaretto.
  • Churbs should just make a life action fan-made episode of Bartender.
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    Churbs, I hearby request you do a short vid about wgat a proper shaker us and demonstrate the technique.
    Alright, I'll look into it. I'm not promising results - But I'll look into it. You might have to make do with whatever I can achieve more simply.

    However, one thing that will require, is New Pants.
    Churbs should just make a life action fan-made episode of Bartender.
    Flattery, my dear chap, will get you everywhere.

    Now, on to business, chaps.

    Also, classy drinks involving amaretto.
    A classy drink with Amaretto, eh? Well, only one way to go with that.

    Amaretto is a real interesting liqueur - Tastes like almonds, but it's made from Apricot pits, and it's an Italian staple. Said to be from around the 1500s, with a romantic story about one of Leonardo Da Vinci's pupils, a church asking him to paint the virgin mary, and a love story with his model for the madonna, and while it's propably bullshit, It's rather sweet, Like a bad Amaretto sour. Which is what we'll be talking about.

    Now, there is a way to make an amaretto sour, and there is the way to make THE Amaretto sour. The best you'll ever have, in fact.

    Amaretto is a very delicate Liqueur - it's got a weak flavor that needs help to stand up and be counted. A Blaster to it's Master, as it were. And that's where our old mate Cask-proof bourbon comes in.

    Now, get yourself a decent Amaretto - Lazzaroni or DiSaronno preferred, but it's your drink, but remember, low quality ingredients mean a low quality drink. And we don't want that. You'll need an ounce and a half, put that in your shaker.

    Ah, it is time. Take your cask-proof burbon, add to your shaker just 3/4 of an ounce. No more, no less - you don't want to overwhelm the amaretto. I'll warn you, this shit will be expensive, but it's worth it. Bookers, Rare Breed, EH Taylor, take your pick, but I prefer and recommend Bookers. It's aged six to eight years, filtered, and barreled straight from the cask from there. How good is it? One of the most famous and respected distillers of the modern era, Booker Noe, first started bottling it as a gift for only his friends and family. That's how good.

    You'll want to juice yourself out an ounce of lemon juice, and naturally, add it to the shaker. Do not add it to the bar-top(messy), your eyes(hurts), or the cat(WTF are you even doing).

    Now, You're going to need Simple Syrup. As the name suggests, it's pretty fuckin' simple - It's sugar and water, generally two parts sugar to one part water, but some cocktails demand a thinner mix of one to one. For every cup of water, you want two cups of sugar. Boil the water, dissolve the sugar - white sugar - in it, till it's completely dissolved. Then, just put it aside, let it cool and thicken. Then bottle that sucker up - preferably, you do that well in advance of wanting to make any cocktails that contain it.

    Put just one tablespoon of Simple Syrup in the shaker.\

    Now, here's the scary part - You're going to need an egg white. Beaten a little, but not too much. Just enough to make the point so it'll do what you want it to do, not enough to teach it a lesson not to cross you. Now, pour it into - you guessed it, your ear. NO. The fucking shaker, of course.

    STOP. Don't go adding any ice to your shaker just yet - grab it and seal it. There is a reason behind this - Part of the reason you shake a drink is to chill it right down very quickly - but thanks to the egg white, if we do that, it won't combine properly, and we end up with a shitty drink. And we don't drink shit, I've told you this. What we are doing, is we're going to dry-shake everything to make sure it's well-combined, only for about fifteen or so seconds. Dry shake? Yep - shake it without ice. Same technique as I told you before, Firm and unrelenting, like James Deen.

    Once you're done, a nice reasonable scoop of ice into your shaker, seal it again, and this time, we're wet-shaking it. You know what to do here, so shukka shukka shukka motherfucker.

    Now, once you've impressed upon it a strong general impression of your feelings on the issue of all this shaking, and the world at large, then you strain it into an old fashioned glass, over ice. FRESH ICE FOR FUCK'S SAKE. You're not using the shaker ice, it is chipped, cracked and filthy. It is verboten.

    Also, we need to have a talk about strainers. If you're using a boston shaker, you'll need one. You COULD use a seive, sure, but you SHOULD be using a Hawthorne Strainer. It's named after a guy named Hawthorne, who presumably liked to strain things. A good one looks like this -
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    Though admittedly I prefer four side-prongs, rather than two.

    You use it like this:
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    It takes a little practice, but it's efficient, gives good control, and it looks pretty cool, too.

    Speaking of looking cool, a brief word about Flair "Bartending":

    Don't.
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  • Churba, anyway of substituting the egg white with something a little more vegan?
  • Don't know much about mixing, but I do know of a site that has a bunch of different mixes. thedrunkenmoogle.com . It's alcohol plus geek stuff!
  • Churba, anyway of substituting the egg white with something a little more vegan?
    Substitute it with lies. After a few the idiot vegan wouldn't think about complaining.
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    O King of Drinks Churba, are there any recipes that involve the use of apple cider that a novice like me could use? While I can take alcohol, I do not enjoy red wine, nor simple beer, but am fine with white wine in small doses. Which is why I really like apple cider, since I could still taste the fruit and the alcoholic content is low (about 5%).

    I dont mind having bitters in my drink, although I regularly only prefer a hint of it within the flavor. Also what is the difference between Digestive bitters and Cocktail bitters? Or are they the same thing?

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  • Churba, anyway of substituting the egg white with something a little more vegan?
    You know, I've never actually thought about it, and don't know that much about vegan food. If you can give me some products that are roughly the same as egg-white, but are vegan safe, I'll check them out and let you know.

    The problem is, when I go looking for them, I get a lot of flavor substitutes, and a lot of nutritional substitutes, but nothing that gives me a good substitute for the physical properties of the egg, the texture and so on.

    THOUGH - I am told you can get stuff that's simply called "Egg replacer", by some brand with a name like "Energy" or something like that. It's a powder, you mix it with water - I've not tried it, but apparently, it fills the function of eggs, rather than the flavor, so it might work.
    O King of Drinks Churba, are there any recipes that involve the use of apple cider that a novice like me could use? While I can take alcohol, I do not enjoy red wine, nor simple beer, but am fine with white wine in small doses. Which is why I really like apple cider, since I could still taste the fruit and the alcoholic content is low (about 5%).

    I dont mind having bitters in my drink, although I regularly only prefer a hint of it within the flavor. Also what is the difference between Digestive bitters and Cocktail bitters? Or are they the same thing?

    Let's go backwards, for once. The main difference between Digestive bitters and cocktail bitters is twofold - alcohol content, and flavor.

    Digestive bitters, that's stuff like Pimms, Fernet Branca, or Zucca. They're made to be taken either by themselves, or as a mixer, like a liquor. Much as Pimms is usually taken at Pimms o'clock, with english lemonade or ginger ale.

    Cocktail bitters, however, has no such niceties. It's much higher in alcohol content - often up to 45% - and the flavors are much, much more concentrated, allowing a few drops to do the work of half a cup of digestive bitters. If you took a shot of cocktail bitters, you'd find it a most unpleasant experience.

    As for recipes, I'm a tad soft, since I don't work often with cider. There is always the classic snakebite, but I feel you'd be ill-served by such a concoction. I'll have to have a flip through my recipe books - a collection of old address books, in fact - and get back to you with something good.

  • Why the egg whites? Seems like a weird ingredient to me.

    @lifecircle - If you like white wines, try Barefoot brand Muscato. Kate and I tried it recently and it's quite nice. Sweet, and a bit thicker than most whites, but not syrupy like an ice-wine.
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    Why the egg whites? Seems like a weird ingredient to me.
    As does it to many people. In fact, so much so, that many people would either leave it off when mentioning the ingredients to a friend, or suggest something else, or worst of all, make the drink with a pre-packaged sour-and-emulsifier mix, which is nasty and poor form - fresh, quality ingredients make for good cocktails.

    The skinny is thus - It's all about how damned good of a binding agent in food that eggs are. It provides a wonderful, creamy texture without altering the flavor much, and it produces a wonderful foam on top. It's a wonderful, silky frothiness, a lightness on the tongue, but with all the flavor of a cocktail that's all liquid. You can even make drinks like the Ramos Gin Fizz, which contains egg whites, and is shaken in a shaker for five to seven minutes, to produce a cocktail you can damned near eat with a spoon.

    See, Making a drink isn't just about the liquor you put in it, or about the technique you use - Both are important, sure. But they're not the whole thing. It's also about texture, about mouthfeel, and presentation. In part, it's even about the mood of the patron, and drinks best suited to one's situation at that time.
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  • That last part goes for food, too.
  • edited July 2012
    Why the egg whites? Seems like a weird ingredient to me.
    As does it to many people. In fact, so much so, that many people would either leave it off when mentioning the ingredients to a friend, or suggest something else, or worst of all, make the drink with a pre-packaged sour-and-emulsifier mix, which is nasty and poor form - fresh, quality ingredients make for good cocktails.

    The skinny is thus - It's all about how damned good of a binding agent in food that eggs are. It provides a wonderful, creamy texture without altering the flavor much, and it produces a wonderful foam on top. It's a wonderful, silky frothiness, a lightness on the tongue, but with all the flavor of a cocktail that's all liquid.
    Something I have heard, and have yet to try:
    Flax seed powdered in a spice/coffee grinder, soaked with water, whisked, refrigerated, and strained after some time, is apparently a vegan egg-white substitute, due to the fiber content of the flax. I have no idea whether it would work in a drink.
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  • Hmm. I think I might have some flax seed back at the house - as previously mentioned, I'm up at the island right now - so I'll give it a go, and see how it works. It might be an issue of flavor, too - one of the benefits of egg whites is that they've very little flavor till cooked, and they easily hold other flavors. I don't know if that's the case with Flax Seed.
  • There really aren't a lot of drinks that call for apple cider, but there is one that I love called the Conchord. Very simple. Take a pint glass, put in a shot of good gin, and then fill the rest up with cider. You wouldn't think that just a shot would make that big of a difference, but it does. Also, if you use hard apple cider, this drink will get you drunk real quick.
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