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  • I would just use Flarum, but it's still in beta. I don't really like any of the other options as much. If someone can find a good alternative, it would hurry things along.
  • Flarum said:

    PHP

    Why don't there seem to be forum softwares written in sane languages? It seems like they're all built with this:
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  • Starfox said:

    Flarum said:

    PHP

    Why don't there seem to be forum softwares written in sane languages? It seems like they're all built with this:
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    WordPress is written in PHP. WordPress was used by more than 23.3% of the top 10 million websites as of January 2015. Problem?

    If I have to write a web application, I'm not going to choose PHP. It sucks to write. All the bad things people say about that language are true.

    However, if I'm going to download and host a web application written by someone else, I sure hope it's written in PHP. The ease of setting up and deploying a PHP app is miles ahead of something written in any other language. Python, node, and Ruby devs all have to resort to shit like Docker containers because nobody can configure their apps.
  • Apreche said:

    The ease of setting up and deploying a PHP app is miles ahead of something written in any other language.

    Is this still actually the case, though? To get something resembling a modern webapp running, you probably want some combination of reverse proxy, server, DB, and execution environment.

    Does it matter so much whether that's Apache/mod_php/MySQL or nginx/gunicorn/postgres? Hell, sqlite comes bundled with Python if you really wanted to minimize setup.
  • Starfox said:

    Apreche said:

    The ease of setting up and deploying a PHP app is miles ahead of something written in any other language.

    Is this still actually the case, though? To get something resembling a modern webapp running, you probably want some combination of reverse proxy, server, DB, and execution environment.

    Does it matter so much whether that's Apache/mod_php/MySQL or nginx/gunicorn/postgres? Hell, sqlite comes bundled with Python if you really wanted to minimize setup.
    How to setup an Apache/mod_php app

    sudo apt-get install apache mod-php mysql
    put files in folder
    in your browser visit http://yourserver/setup.php
    DONE

    How to setup nginx/gunicorn/postgres/python app

    apt-get install nginx
    write an nginx configuration file
    put files in a folder
    write a gunicorn config
    mess with your django/ruby app settings
    write some kind of launch script with supervisor or upstart or something
    run some commands to make database tables
    Now, MAYBE you can visit your site?

    PHP has the main advantage that you can just put files in a directory and visit it. All the setup and configuration can be done from the web interface because you can get pages to load without doing anything.

    With any of the others, you need to set things up before any pages will load. Automatic configuration options are limited because the minimum architecture has more moving parts.
  • I'm hoping this is the right "complain about the forum" thread. I keep getting this error randomly:
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  • I'm looking again at alternatives to the expensive and not-as-good-as-it-used-to-be Vanilla.
  • edited June 2016
    Rym said:

    I'm looking again at alternatives to the expensive and not-as-good-as-it-used-to-be Vanilla.

    Still waiting for Flarum to get out of beta. Even if we close this forum and start fresh, still need to keep all these URLs and pages around. At minimum that means getting DB export from Vanilla and hosting it using the open source Vanilla code on a server.

    Not a fan of discourse, which is the popular solution these days.

    Discord is promising, but isn't something we host ourselves. There isn't some way to back it up.
    Post edited by Apreche on
  • Yeah. There is a terrifying wealth of Google Juice, great threads, information, etc... here that we want to keep on the Internet. This place gets a surprising amount of traffic.
  • would switching over to Flarum in its beta state be more of hassle to deal with if it breaks? how stable is it now?
  • Apreche said:

    Discord is promising, but isn't something we host ourselves. There isn't some way to back it up.

    I don't see Discord as a forum replacement tool.

    It's more of a new irc with voice chat for playing video games.

  • Apsup said:

    Apreche said:

    Discord is promising, but isn't something we host ourselves. There isn't some way to back it up.

    I don't see Discord as a forum replacement tool.

    It's more of a new irc with voice chat for playing video games.

    It would be in addition.
  • I was surprised to find people still use the irc.
  • edited June 2016
    HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error
    Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
    X-Lookup-Mode: normal
    X-App: e56a4becce43f571768807332da5d21da6d387b9/cl311
    P3P: CP="CAO PSA OUR"
    Cache-Control: private, no-cache, no-store, max-age=0, must-revalidate
    Expires: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 00:00:00 GMT
    Pragma: no-cache
    X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN
    X-Via: ee7cfc205194a57741e4244b81d6a3d0e442089c
    X-Powered-By: php
    X-Server: nginx
    Content-Length: 701
    Accept-Ranges: bytes
    Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 17:50:32 GMT
    Age: 0
    Connection: keep-alive
    X-Nosy-Parker: Maybe you should be reading this instead: https://www.vanillaforums.com/info/hiring
    X-Op: miss
    Post edited by Pegu on
  • Apreche said:

    Apsup said:

    Apreche said:

    Discord is promising, but isn't something we host ourselves. There isn't some way to back it up.

    I don't see Discord as a forum replacement tool.

    It's more of a new irc with voice chat for playing video games.

    It would be in addition.
    It's true. The IRC channel is not completely dead, but I forget about it for months at a time usually.
  • Apreche said:

    Apreche said:

    Apsup said:

    Apreche said:

    Discord is promising, but isn't something we host ourselves. There isn't some way to back it up.

    I don't see Discord as a forum replacement tool.

    It's more of a new irc with voice chat for playing video games.

    It would be in addition.
    It's true. The IRC channel is not completely dead, but I forget about it for months at a time usually.
    I should idle there again.

    I'll mention that it exists on the show tonight, remind people, see if interested grows.
  • Twitter suits my IRC wants and needs.
  • wow, The last mirc install I had was on windows xp... like 5 hard drives and 4 OSs ago.
  • No love for NodeBB?

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  • We should become more innovative and agile, host the whole forum on Slack.
  • Let's host it on a WoW private server.
  • Everyone edits text files on an FTP server!
  • With nodejs
  • Just make a yahoo groups. Problem solved.
  • Just make a yahoo groups. Problem solved.

    The king of Sonic porn.
  • If Google Spaces or Google Plus was guaranteed to live it could work as a zero cost alternative but it does not match the criteria of moving all posts across. Actually a bad idea.
  • sK0pe said:

    If Google Spaces or Google Plus was guaranteed to live it could work as a zero cost alternative but it does not match the criteria of moving all posts across. Actually a bad idea.

    Considered it. Yes, it's a bad idea.
  • Just make FRCChan ;)
  • I'm not working all week, and my top priority is to stop spending $150 a month on this forum. Here is my strategy:

    1) Make a new blank forum. Which one shall we choose? Flarum? Anyone know any others?
    2) Disable commenting on this old forum to put it into archive mode.
    3) Using a backup of this forum, get that archive to run on my own hosted server instead of on Vanilla's cloud that costs $150 a month.

    I'm starting with #3 first because that's actually the only difficult part. I have a backup of the forum from a few moons ago that I will use to test this out. Vanilla is actually very quick to respond when you ask them for a backup of your forum. I just have to get it running.
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