Also rightly so, how is he going to go through the rest of his life without being recognised as a controversy / news story rather than a person.
This is a good point in favor of restitution, but I had honestly forgotten all about this kid, and I wager most people outside of his town and certain groups on the internet had forgotten him too.
Also rightly so, how is he going to go through the rest of his life without being recognised as a controversy / news story rather than a person.
This is a good point in favor of restitution, but I had honestly forgotten all about this kid, and I wager most people outside of his town and certain groups on the internet had forgotten him too.
Yeah but every company will Google your name; future employees searching his name will bring a flood of BS that he doesn't need as an adult and either won't be considered or given an interview and have awkward questions by people who want to tick off the box that they talked to the "2015 clock maker" .
Chicago Police shoot and kill two responding to domestic disturbance. The man charged them with a baseball bat so that's understandable, but the woman who originally called the police and had answered the door was unfortunately caught in the crossfire. Though this is not meant to in any way diminish the impact of their actions, it is lucky the body count wasn't higher because their rounds punched through several walls.
Still this feels like it'd be right at home in a Simpsons episode. When the hell did that show actually represent real life?
Cops should be responding to domestic violence with just a few officers. They should have a nice bunch. Even if someone comes at them with a bat, they don't need to shoot them with a gun. Cops also have beating sticks of their own. Cops in other countries who don't even have guns can handle this kind of situation without them.
You have seconds to react before some enraged man is beating your face in. Whatever you reach for is going to be the only thing you defend yourself with.
Could we make it so they only have the beating sticks? Sure, we could, but let's not pretend the cop could have been absolutely level-headed and reached for a non-lethal choice through pure logic with a batman bearing down on them. Even with pulling their guns the guy could have gotten a swing on them easily, Mythbusters proved that.
Don't care. They shouldn't have guns if this is what they do with them.
Again, that's a fair, but separate point to this incident. Though with just billy clubs we'll probably hear about more blunt force trauma deaths in relation to police.
No you won't. It's a myth in itself. Police with batons and sticks are perfectly capable of stopping a guy with a bat or a knife. It happens all time everywhere except the USA.
The lesson is this (for the USA): literally never call the cops. Ever.
You have seconds to react before some enraged man is beating your face in. Whatever you reach for is going to be the only thing you defend yourself with.
Sounds like a lack of training.
Sure it's not easy to keep cool head when someone is charging at you, but police work should not be easy anyways. Their training should be long and hard enough for them to be able to have appropriate reaction for such situation that doesn't danger any lives, even if it means putting themselves at greater risk.
When you teach a generation of cops that they need to protect themselves from dangerous domestic enemies, rather than teaching them that their duty is to protect and serve as many citizens as possible, then they use guns in this way and their kill count is abnormally high. We teach the police incorrectly, are told to venerate them and treat them as an authority figure to never be crossed, and then arm them with military-grade equipment.
There's a simple set of steps to reduce police violence, but unless everyone stands up and asks for the change, the police can get away with continuing to oppress others.
The job of the police is to act as the arm of state violence and oppress and kill the population in accordance with the laws and preferences of the government (and by extension, the governed), not protect or serve the population. Police are nothing more and have never been anything more than the monopolization of murder to direct it with exclusivity at the lower class; some states are just better at obfuscating this.
Guns are not the problem. Lack of police training is not the problem. I mean, yeah police should still be disarmed, but don't fool yourself into thinking this will do anything about the more fundamental problems.
If you armed cops with just tasers and beating sticks and train them extensively in their use, violence against the black population in the United States will only be decreased via making it more inconvenient. Less shooting in the streets, more mysterious "suicides" in jail cells and "shot while escaping" from prison, the way we used to do it before the widespread militarization of the police and the advent of the drug war. You will not make the cops "better", you will just make them worse at their actual job of spreading terror and death among disfavoured populations.
The problem is not gun culture, it's white supremacist culture. Same shit happens here in Canada against the native population, in Europe against the muslim population, and everywhere against labour and queer people. Guns are only part of the picture that leads to such high casualties in the United States, one I would argue is dwarfed in comparison to the legacy of segregation. There's a reason we get those periodic stories about some police department or another having ties to the KKK; that shit runs pretty deep.
This is not a failure of the justice system, this is working as intended. Maybe not as intended by high-level policy makers in the modern age, but bureaucratic and cultural inertia keeps the cops on track to uphold the legacy of their 19th and 20th century mission: represent the interests of rich majority populations in urban ethnic strife, cultivate fear in the lower classes to disrupt labour organization, and enforce segregation.
I thought about putting this in the "what TV shows are you watching?" thread, but my thoughts belong much more so here:
I'm watching "Making a murderer" right now. For the three people who haven't heard about it, it's a Netflix documentary series about Steven Avery, a Wisconsin man who spent 18 years in prison because was falsely accused of a rape, exonerated through DNA evidence, sued the Wisconsin government and subsequently was accused of a murder.
It is a disgusting, horrifying tale of miscarriage of justice. The first episode alone is harrowing, and it "only" deals with the rape accusation, subsequent conviction, and the 18 years Steve spent in prison for it before being exonerated when DNA evidence proves that it's not him who did but someone else the Police knew about as a potential perpetrator but simply dismissed because they "already had their man". And those people don't even face any repercussions fore the way they destroyed a human life. And then you come to the realization that there are 9 more episodes coming.
People just lying, fabricating evidence and pressuring or leading witnesses. The way they treat Steven's nephew Brendan is particularly disgusting when considering that Brendan has a barely functioning level of intelligence. He hardly even understands that he is confessing to murder and faces life imprisonment, asking whether he can go back to class after his "confession" and whether he'll be out of jail before Wrestlemania. I mean the kid is 15 and misspelled "friend" and "bonfire" in a written statement. It's absolutely disgusting how the investigators basically bully the kid. And his fucking attorney's investigator basically does the same thing.
It is crippling to consider how this kind of thing could be happening over and over throughout a lot of places. "Who watches the Watchmen" etc.
Yeah but the cop isn't punished whatsoever and doesn't agree that he was speeding.
I've been caught speeding on a really stupid speed drop (from 80 - 40) because I was late for work but was still fined $400.
Plus to bring it to his attention a citizen had to waste her time and money to inform of his crime when she is paying taxes so she doesn't have to enforce the law.
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Still this feels like it'd be right at home in a Simpsons episode. When the hell did that show actually represent real life?
So no, it's not understandable.
Could we make it so they only have the beating sticks? Sure, we could, but let's not pretend the cop could have been absolutely level-headed and reached for a non-lethal choice through pure logic with a batman bearing down on them. Even with pulling their guns the guy could have gotten a swing on them easily, Mythbusters proved that.
The lesson is this (for the USA): literally never call the cops. Ever.
Sure it's not easy to keep cool head when someone is charging at you, but police work should not be easy anyways. Their training should be long and hard enough for them to be able to have appropriate reaction for such situation that doesn't danger any lives, even if it means putting themselves at greater risk.
There's a simple set of steps to reduce police violence, but unless everyone stands up and asks for the change, the police can get away with continuing to oppress others.
Guns are not the problem. Lack of police training is not the problem. I mean, yeah police should still be disarmed, but don't fool yourself into thinking this will do anything about the more fundamental problems.
If you armed cops with just tasers and beating sticks and train them extensively in their use, violence against the black population in the United States will only be decreased via making it more inconvenient. Less shooting in the streets, more mysterious "suicides" in jail cells and "shot while escaping" from prison, the way we used to do it before the widespread militarization of the police and the advent of the drug war. You will not make the cops "better", you will just make them worse at their actual job of spreading terror and death among disfavoured populations.
The problem is not gun culture, it's white supremacist culture. Same shit happens here in Canada against the native population, in Europe against the muslim population, and everywhere against labour and queer people. Guns are only part of the picture that leads to such high casualties in the United States, one I would argue is dwarfed in comparison to the legacy of segregation. There's a reason we get those periodic stories about some police department or another having ties to the KKK; that shit runs pretty deep.
This is not a failure of the justice system, this is working as intended. Maybe not as intended by high-level policy makers in the modern age, but bureaucratic and cultural inertia keeps the cops on track to uphold the legacy of their 19th and 20th century mission: represent the interests of rich majority populations in urban ethnic strife, cultivate fear in the lower classes to disrupt labour organization, and enforce segregation.
I'm watching "Making a murderer" right now. For the three people who haven't heard about it, it's a Netflix documentary series about Steven Avery, a Wisconsin man who spent 18 years in prison because was falsely accused of a rape, exonerated through DNA evidence, sued the Wisconsin government and subsequently was accused of a murder.
It is a disgusting, horrifying tale of miscarriage of justice. The first episode alone is harrowing, and it "only" deals with the rape accusation, subsequent conviction, and the 18 years Steve spent in prison for it before being exonerated when DNA evidence proves that it's not him who did but someone else the Police knew about as a potential perpetrator but simply dismissed because they "already had their man". And those people don't even face any repercussions fore the way they destroyed a human life. And then you come to the realization that there are 9 more episodes coming.
People just lying, fabricating evidence and pressuring or leading witnesses. The way they treat Steven's nephew Brendan is particularly disgusting when considering that Brendan has a barely functioning level of intelligence. He hardly even understands that he is confessing to murder and faces life imprisonment, asking whether he can go back to class after his "confession" and whether he'll be out of jail before Wrestlemania. I mean the kid is 15 and misspelled "friend" and "bonfire" in a written statement. It's absolutely disgusting how the investigators basically bully the kid. And his fucking attorney's investigator basically does the same thing.
It is crippling to consider how this kind of thing could be happening over and over throughout a lot of places. "Who watches the Watchmen" etc.
I've been caught speeding on a really stupid speed drop (from 80 - 40) because I was late for work but was still fined $400.
Plus to bring it to his attention a citizen had to waste her time and money to inform of his crime when she is paying taxes so she doesn't have to enforce the law.