Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
This forum is in permanent archive mode. Our new active community can be found here.
Rant: FF7 LTD why does it still exist?
For those that didn’t run away when you saw the title and actually stayed to see what I wrote, I command you for taking your time to read this. Most people won’t even touch this subject with a ten foot pole.
For all the major Final Fantasy 7 geeks out there, I’m sure you have seen the acronyms LTD one too many times amongst rabid fangirls and fanboys. Most people on here probably already know this but just incase anyone doesn’t know, LTD means Love Triangle Debate. Basically, it’s a retarded war on who Cloud Strife loves more in the game, Tifa or Aeris. Each side tries to bring evidence to the table claiming that their couple is the CANON couple. And for those who don’t know, here is the definition for Canon
When I first started playing FF7 I was untainted by others opinions of the game or its characters, so, I pretty much played with an open mind. I know that FF7 is not a huge love story like its abomination of a twin FF8. However, I always find myself paying attention any romantic connections between characters. In my opinion, the development of a romantic relationship between two characters has the most significant impacted on a characters psychological growth more then anything else. I like looking for realistic and practical character progression when I play an RPG.
Anyway, when I was finally finished playing FF7 I was completely certain that Cloud and Tifa were the canon couple of the game. It seemed only obvious after the creators killed Aeris off in the first disk and then made that romantic ‘under the Highwind’ seen near the end of the game.
Well, at some point I decided that I really liked Cloud and Tifa as characters, so I went on the Internet in search of some decent fan art and fanfiction. Instead of finding fan art and fan fiction, I found a whole bunch of scary ass FF7 LTD fan sites that did nothing but slandering each other. Back then, I couldn’t go to any FF7 fan site with out seeing some kind of LTD crap. What surprised me the most about this war, was that their seemed to be more people on the Cloud and Aeris side then the Cloud and Tifa side.
After a while, I thought that maybe I was wrong about Cloud and Tifa being cannon. I figured if the majority of FF7 fans think Cloud and Aeris is the official couple then perhaps I missed something when I played the game. Being opened minded I went to some of their sites to see if they had any legitimate proof to their clams and this is what I found Destiny Fulfilled. More then half of the CloudxAeris (also known as Cleris) fans are spawned from this site. Almost every Cleris that I have debated with regurgitates information from this site almost verbatim. I warn everyone that about 20% of you’re brain cells may die within the first three seconds of exposure to this site. Oh and I also found this wonderful little thread on their forums a little while ago Cloud x Aeris forums So for a long time the consensus was for Cloud and Aeris being the official FF7 couple.
Finally years later, Advent Children came out, along with a short in-between novel, magazine articles, and the Advent Children Reunion files. Suddenly there was overwhelming amount of official information and proof pointing toward Cloud and Tifa being canon. Oh, and if want to see the evidence I can post it later on request.
I bet you finally want to know what the hell my point is already. Well, here it is. I have found that even after all of this overwhelming evidence and creator commentary saying that Cloud and Tifa are cannon, the LTD is still in existence! The greater majority of FF7 fans still think that Cloud and Aeris is the true couple of the game! Now, either I’ve been completely stupid for the last seven years of my life or the Cleris majority of FF7 fans are in still in their cult like denial.
When my thought process seems to differ from that of the greater majority, I tend to think that perhaps I’m the one who’s wrong. I’ve also tried to talking to some of my gamer friends about the LTD but they always seem to have some predisposition against Tifa or Aeris, thus making their opinions biased. Then I though “As stupid as this subject is, why not bring the issue to Geek Nights.†I figure that the worst that could happen is that I’ll be called a noob and kicked off the forums. Anyway, you guys have played the game; perhaps you can give me an unbiased third person opinion on this LTD crap.
For all the major Final Fantasy 7 geeks out there, I’m sure you have seen the acronyms LTD one too many times amongst rabid fangirls and fanboys. Most people on here probably already know this but just incase anyone doesn’t know, LTD means Love Triangle Debate. Basically, it’s a retarded war on who Cloud Strife loves more in the game, Tifa or Aeris. Each side tries to bring evidence to the table claiming that their couple is the CANON couple. And for those who don’t know, here is the definition for Canon
When I first started playing FF7 I was untainted by others opinions of the game or its characters, so, I pretty much played with an open mind. I know that FF7 is not a huge love story like its abomination of a twin FF8. However, I always find myself paying attention any romantic connections between characters. In my opinion, the development of a romantic relationship between two characters has the most significant impacted on a characters psychological growth more then anything else. I like looking for realistic and practical character progression when I play an RPG.
Anyway, when I was finally finished playing FF7 I was completely certain that Cloud and Tifa were the canon couple of the game. It seemed only obvious after the creators killed Aeris off in the first disk and then made that romantic ‘under the Highwind’ seen near the end of the game.
Well, at some point I decided that I really liked Cloud and Tifa as characters, so I went on the Internet in search of some decent fan art and fanfiction. Instead of finding fan art and fan fiction, I found a whole bunch of scary ass FF7 LTD fan sites that did nothing but slandering each other. Back then, I couldn’t go to any FF7 fan site with out seeing some kind of LTD crap. What surprised me the most about this war, was that their seemed to be more people on the Cloud and Aeris side then the Cloud and Tifa side.
After a while, I thought that maybe I was wrong about Cloud and Tifa being cannon. I figured if the majority of FF7 fans think Cloud and Aeris is the official couple then perhaps I missed something when I played the game. Being opened minded I went to some of their sites to see if they had any legitimate proof to their clams and this is what I found Destiny Fulfilled. More then half of the CloudxAeris (also known as Cleris) fans are spawned from this site. Almost every Cleris that I have debated with regurgitates information from this site almost verbatim. I warn everyone that about 20% of you’re brain cells may die within the first three seconds of exposure to this site. Oh and I also found this wonderful little thread on their forums a little while ago Cloud x Aeris forums So for a long time the consensus was for Cloud and Aeris being the official FF7 couple.
Finally years later, Advent Children came out, along with a short in-between novel, magazine articles, and the Advent Children Reunion files. Suddenly there was overwhelming amount of official information and proof pointing toward Cloud and Tifa being canon. Oh, and if want to see the evidence I can post it later on request.
I bet you finally want to know what the hell my point is already. Well, here it is. I have found that even after all of this overwhelming evidence and creator commentary saying that Cloud and Tifa are cannon, the LTD is still in existence! The greater majority of FF7 fans still think that Cloud and Aeris is the true couple of the game! Now, either I’ve been completely stupid for the last seven years of my life or the Cleris majority of FF7 fans are in still in their cult like denial.
When my thought process seems to differ from that of the greater majority, I tend to think that perhaps I’m the one who’s wrong. I’ve also tried to talking to some of my gamer friends about the LTD but they always seem to have some predisposition against Tifa or Aeris, thus making their opinions biased. Then I though “As stupid as this subject is, why not bring the issue to Geek Nights.†I figure that the worst that could happen is that I’ll be called a noob and kicked off the forums. Anyway, you guys have played the game; perhaps you can give me an unbiased third person opinion on this LTD crap.
Comments
But, looking solely at FFVII and Advent Children, I get the impression that Cloud WANTS Aries, but he's kinda "stuck" with Tifa.
Anyway. Screw what they might think. If you like Cloud and Tifa like that and not Cleris.
False Dichotomy.
Also, how the heck do you know if Scott and Rym have played FF7?
For the part that I played, I can say that as a game it was better than many other JRPGs. Much less grinding, and the gems in sword customization was simple, effective, and fun. What was bad about it was that RPGs are mostly plot and characters, and I really couldn't give two shits about the FF7 stuff. FF6, Chrono Trigger, and Golden Sun are games that got me to actually care about their RPG plots.
Aerith and Cloud were friends too, but then Aerith got all dead and Cloud beat himself up about that.
Why does there have to be a romantic angle to this?
Well, I think people are missing the point of my rant. I already know that fans can be retarded so that wasn’t what I was getting at. I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear the first time.
My point is, that there is more factual evidence and proof pointing to Cloud and Tifa then Cloud and Aeris (and I can post it here if anyone wants to see) However, the vast majority of FF7 fans still think Cloud and Aeris is the official couple, thus the LTD is still in existence. What I want to know is, why do people still think Cloud and Aeris is the official couple when there is more proof pointing to Cloud and Tifa. There shouldn’t be an LTD anymore if the creators have already stated that Cloud and Tifa are together. I want to know if perhaps I missed something. I don’t remember Cloud being nicer to Aeris then he was to Tifa. I don’t remember Cloud ever having the option of calling Aeris his girlfriend. I just don’t understand. I mean, Cloud lives in the same house with Tifa and raises children with her, something I don’t see friends doing. Anyway that’s the point I was trying to make. I just want to know if I had missed some significant point that makes Cloud and Aeris more of a couple then Cloud and Tifa.
1)What does one outcome change over the other and is the difference really significant?
2)What makes you personally care?
H....Help... Knees weak... light fading...
I personally think that Cloud, Sepiroth, Tifa and Aeries were all homosexual but that's what I get for too much time on the internet.
Secondly, I never heard anything about FF7. Never knew Cloud, Aeris and Tifa were from there. Never cared and never will care about it either. Ah well, I'm not that much of a gaming geek.
EDIT:Yet you do. Same with me, those obvious painful mistakes like "seen" where "scene" is meant to name something from the top of my head are on the same level. People who think that "OMG I'm bad at that language" and who then sees mistakes like that goes "OH GOD! How the hell can you make that mistake?! Even I know that!" are just better in said language then they consider themselves to be. It's scary.
Damn punk kids.
However, after scanning your post, my basic conclusion is this: Who the fuck cares?
I imagine the people who care would like it, and the people who don't care won't be reading this far down in the thread to complain about a long post about the subject in question.
If you can, can you also paraphrase the "Cleris" opinion?
Unless, of course, you yourself are a crazy and scary fanboy/fangirl... In which case I have nothing to add and will start to ignore this topic for there is no hope.
I cannot understand why you're still doubting your view, I mean you mentioned creator commentary verifying you were right! The creators would be stupid if they had contradicted themselves on that. It's their creation, they know everything about it and all they say is true and factual for their creation. These are the Geeknights forums. This is not a fan forum on a specific topic. 'Deep' stuff about a game like FF7's love triangle you shouldn't search for here, for if there is a discussion like that here, the moment a person comes with the creator commentary that x is true and y is false, the discussion is over. If you still complain that y is true, then you'll be a scary fan. General game discussion can be done on these forums.
And you can whisper the 'evidence' to Mosquitoboy.
I think I've mad it pretty clear that I'm not a crazy fangirl but you seem to think otherwise. You obviously don`t like obsessed fan people and you seem to think that I am one, which makes me wounder why you even post here in the first place. Anyway, I think I' m pretty much just going to let this thread die since people don't understand my point.I didn't think it was such a big deal to talk about the specifics of a certain game. If this isn't something that's done here then just forget it. I just started posting on the forums this past month and I thought this type of discussion was ok. This whole topic isn't really that big of a deal to me.
It's like a debate about who shot first. The moment you come with an original first version of the movie you can show that Han Solo indeed did shoot first. True, later the creator changed his mind and changed the movie to where he didn't shoot first, but that hasn't happened to FF7. Those creators haven't gone back, changed their game to reflect Cloud and Aeris as the couple and changed their claim.
And then she asked for facts to prove that Cloud and Aeris are the official couple, which I find a complete waste of time and tell her that since she can ask the same question to her friends, or a fan forum dedicated to this topic, where the group of people caring and knowing is far larger than here.