I gave an example of something written in the bible around the first century CE. You replied directly to my example saying:
"Precisely, these people were not true believers either."
Ah, ok. I see what you're talking about. It was on the previous page, how can you expect me to remember?
You are correct that it is basically impossible, due to the nature of history, to really know what people were thinking in the past. We can look at artifacts and other archeological evidence, but translating the evidence into more general information about how things were really like is quite the intellectual adventure, with no real answer.
Your points about history are quite true. Rym often likes to question whether people of history (Rome) even think the same way we think today, and if we would be able to communicate with them, even without a language barrier. We often look at the history of our species and imagine the humans of the past to be quite like ourselves. But really we should study ancient human civilizations more as if they were alien civilizations, if we want to get a more less tainted idea of what things were like then.
Anyway, the real point I've been making in this thread is that no matter what time period, the dilemma exists. If you truly believe something to be holy, you would not dare to even think of exerting your will upon it because you would fear its power. Anyone who claims to believe in the higher power, yet then sees fit to tamper with it, even by just applying a personal interpretation to it, does not truly believe, and is fostering a cognitive dissonance.
Yeah, just like all the old guys on FNPL saying that we'll all get married and drift apart and live bleh old man lives like the rest of you. Even harder that convincing a religious person there is no god is convincing someone that the mistakes they made in their life were avoidable.
I have greatly enjoyed the last two years of listening to Scott talk about life. I would pay money to see what Scott would be like married with two kids. If it happens, I want to hear him talk about it. The change would be inevitably dramatic.
I have greatly enjoyed the last two years of listening to Scott talk about life. I would pay money to see what Scott would be like married with two kids. If it happens, I want to hear him talk about it. The change would be inevitably dramatic.
Scott's wife: It's your turn to change the poop machine. Scott: What? It can't be my turn, I just changed that thing an hour ago! Scott's wife: And I changed it 30 minutes ago. It's your turn.
Scott: Listen kid, next time you have to poop I want you to warn me first. This projectile pooping that flies up your back is getting annoying. Scott's wife: Scott, you can't reason with an infant. Scott: Why not? Even animals can learn by cause and effect. If an animal touches fire and gets burned it learns not to touch fire again. Scott's wife: So, are you planning to rub some sort of mixture inside his diaper so that when he poops it burns him? Scott: What? No.... Damn, she outsmarted me...
Scott: Why are you not getting with teh sexiness tonight? Scott's wife: I'm tired from dealing with your kid all day. Scott: I worked all day and you don't hear me complaining about being tired. Scott's wife: You sit at a desk all day. Scott: My brain, it works hard all day long. Scott's wife: Well maybe you should put that brain to work figuring out a way to enable me to have an easier day so that I will have the energy left over at night to 'get with teh sexiness'.
Rym: So Scott, how's that little poop machine working out for you? Scott: OMG, it won't leave me alone! I need some me time. Last night it stuck pancakes in all my DVD drives. Rym: Why don't you reason with it? Scott: I tried that. It won't listen to me. Rym: I guess that kind of sucks. Scott: Could you and Emily watch the poop machine for us tonight? Rym: Sorry Scott, we're leaving for our two week vacation to Italy to go see Byzantine stuff.
Rym: So Scott, how's that little poop machine working out for you? Scott: OMG, it won't leave me alone! I need some me time. Last night it stuck pancakes in all my DVD drives. Rym: Why don't you reason with it? Scott: I tried that. It won't listen to me. Rym: I guess that kind of sucks. Scott: Could you and Emily watch the poop machine for us tonight? Rym: Sorry Scott, we're leaving for our two week vacation to Italy to go see Byzantine stuff.
I can actually imagine this conversation occurring.
The poop-machine thing is why we had a nanny until my youngest was 3. I bought my way out of it.
Yeah, but they're still macro-parasites for the next, what, 15 years? If you're lucky, anyhow.
Ah, I prefer to think of them as people who have to hang out with me whether they like it or not. My wife has the heavier burden, though, in that regard.
When I think about parenting, I always think of something Bill Cosby said. "We don't want justice, we want quiet!" It is obvious to me that many parents are in the similar camp. That is how I know that if I had kids, they would be totally awesome. Sometimes I feel as if other people don't remember their childhood days as I do. As a camp counselor, and maybe in the distant future as a parent, I will enact justice. I know grades in school don't mean shit. I know homework is bs. I know that playing a lot of video games is not going to rot their brains. In fact, I'll probably be playing the games with them most of the time. Also, I'll be training them. There won't be any Mega Man until they beat Zelda 1.
Scott's wife: What's a matter honey? Scott: The kid, he said Zelda 1 is for chumps and old people. Scott's wife: Well, that game is what, 30 years old now? Can you blame him for not wanting to play it? Scott: But, but... I cut my teeth on that game.
Scott's wife: What is it now? Scott: I was trying to get our son into anime... Scott's wife: And? Scott: He said he'd rather watch Yo Gabba Gabba than Cowboy Bebop. Scott's wife: He's three... Scott: But he's my son!!!
Says the guy who plays the Pokemons with his kids.
Yes!
Getting my daughter into some games is easy, others are hard. I am currently using the game "Dragon Strike" to get her into the realm of D&D; type games. However, it has been a long hard road. A road sprinkled with marathon sessions of Candy Land and many other bad kids games.
Same with anime. She would much rather watch something like Kodocha than Lodoss War.
I submit that this is one of the funniest things ever posted on these forums:
Rym: So Scott, how's that little poop machine working out for you? Scott: OMG, it won't leave me alone! I need some me time. Last night it stuck pancakes in all my DVD drives. Rym: Why don't you reason with it? Scott: I tried that. It won't listen to me. Rym: I guess that kind of sucks. Scott: Could you and Emily watch the poop machine for us tonight? Rym: Sorry Scott, we're leaving for our two week vacation to Italy to go see Byzantine stuff.
Scott's wife: What's a matter honey? Scott: The kid, he said Zelda 1 is for chumps and old people. Scott's wife: Well, that game is what, 30 years old now? Can you blame him for not wanting to play it? Scott: But, but... I cut my teeth on that game.
Scott's wife: What is it now? Scott: I was trying to get our son into anime... Scott's wife: And? Scott: He said he'd rather watch Yo Gabba Gabba than Cowboy Bebop. Scott's wife: He's three... Scott: But he's my son!!!
Here's hoping Camping's followers are not suffering too much as this new deadline approaches.
This makes me think back to Camping's prediction that it was all over in May and the indispensable for all things crazy religious right, Slactivist Fred Clark's comments on it
I've been trying to meet more devout religious people who have cool stuff. This way, when the rapture hits, I'll know which houses will be empty that have cool stuff.
Sadly most people who have "In case of Rapture this car will be unmanned" bumper stickers have pretty crappy cars. Luckily they are far more likely to own guns, which we'll need after the massive economic depression that will set in when every child on the planet under 12 vanishes (Using Left Behind Rules)
If God lets you know the Rapture is coming and you are going to be left on Earth, be sure to short sell any company that makes things for children then reinvest it in MRE's and guns.
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You are correct that it is basically impossible, due to the nature of history, to really know what people were thinking in the past. We can look at artifacts and other archeological evidence, but translating the evidence into more general information about how things were really like is quite the intellectual adventure, with no real answer.
Your points about history are quite true. Rym often likes to question whether people of history (Rome) even think the same way we think today, and if we would be able to communicate with them, even without a language barrier. We often look at the history of our species and imagine the humans of the past to be quite like ourselves. But really we should study ancient human civilizations more as if they were alien civilizations, if we want to get a more less tainted idea of what things were like then.
Anyway, the real point I've been making in this thread is that no matter what time period, the dilemma exists. If you truly believe something to be holy, you would not dare to even think of exerting your will upon it because you would fear its power. Anyone who claims to believe in the higher power, yet then sees fit to tamper with it, even by just applying a personal interpretation to it, does not truly believe, and is fostering a cognitive dissonance.
Scott: What? It can't be my turn, I just changed that thing an hour ago!
Scott's wife: And I changed it 30 minutes ago. It's your turn.
Scott: Listen kid, next time you have to poop I want you to warn me first. This projectile pooping that flies up your back is getting annoying.
Scott's wife: Scott, you can't reason with an infant.
Scott: Why not? Even animals can learn by cause and effect. If an animal touches fire and gets burned it learns not to touch fire again.
Scott's wife: So, are you planning to rub some sort of mixture inside his diaper so that when he poops it burns him?
Scott: What? No.... Damn, she outsmarted me...
Scott: Why are you not getting with teh sexiness tonight?
Scott's wife: I'm tired from dealing with your kid all day.
Scott: I worked all day and you don't hear me complaining about being tired.
Scott's wife: You sit at a desk all day.
Scott: My brain, it works hard all day long.
Scott's wife: Well maybe you should put that brain to work figuring out a way to enable me to have an easier day so that I will have the energy left over at night to 'get with teh sexiness'.
Rym: So Scott, how's that little poop machine working out for you?
Scott: OMG, it won't leave me alone! I need some me time. Last night it stuck pancakes in all my DVD drives.
Rym: Why don't you reason with it?
Scott: I tried that. It won't listen to me.
Rym: I guess that kind of sucks.
Scott: Could you and Emily watch the poop machine for us tonight?
Rym: Sorry Scott, we're leaving for our two week vacation to Italy to go see Byzantine stuff.
And this thread has been hijacked.
If I had kids, they would be totally chill.
Scott: The kid, he said Zelda 1 is for chumps and old people.
Scott's wife: Well, that game is what, 30 years old now? Can you blame him for not wanting to play it?
Scott: But, but... I cut my teeth on that game.
Scott's wife: What is it now?
Scott: I was trying to get our son into anime...
Scott's wife: And?
Scott: He said he'd rather watch Yo Gabba Gabba than Cowboy Bebop.
Scott's wife: He's three...
Scott: But he's my son!!!
Getting my daughter into some games is easy, others are hard. I am currently using the game "Dragon Strike" to get her into the realm of D&D; type games. However, it has been a long hard road. A road sprinkled with marathon sessions of Candy Land and many other bad kids games.
Same with anime. She would much rather watch something like Kodocha than Lodoss War.
Also, the movie that comes with that game is PAINFULLY terrible in retrospect.
Hell, there are days where I'd rather watch Yo Gabba Gabba than Cowboy Bebop.
This makes me think back to Camping's prediction that it was all over in May and the indispensable for all things crazy religious right, Slactivist Fred Clark's comments on it
Luckily they are far more likely to own guns, which we'll need after the massive economic depression that will set in when every child on the planet under 12 vanishes (Using Left Behind Rules)
If God lets you know the Rapture is coming and you are going to be left on Earth, be sure to short sell any company that makes things for children then reinvest it in MRE's and guns.