The gun owner may not have any bad intentions. They may just want to take whatever surplus ballistics they have and blow stuff up on their own private range. I would be okay with that, but you're overlooking the fact that people who are not the actual purchaser and owner of the gun can get their hands on them. If someone has their own arsenal, and their kid or relative gets their hands on them, or if they are stolen, it would be helpful if the government (federal, state, local whatever) could know who has what kinds of weapons. I'm not against gun ownership if someone wants to, but I'll be damned if I'll support someone else's right to own guns to endanger the public> What reason is there to keep it some sort of secret anyhow?
Can I have your credit card number, social security number, and address? You know, just in case someone steals it. I want to keep it safe.
However, I can't understand why folks are so accepting of MSNBC's bias.
I just want to point one thing out here. During the speech and such we were on the plane to Seattle. Jet Blue has satellite TV. I had nothing else to do, and there was nothing else on, so I flipped between the different channels to compare coverage. During Obama's speech Fox News had a crawl with text to "balance" what Obama was saying. They also had people people talking and saying "balancing" things all the time. Every other network was silent. No crawls during the speech. No talking during, only before and well well after. If shutting up and simply transmitting live audio and video is a bias, I don't know what isn't.
Another case in point (not necessarily what the guy says but the coverage itself):
Another youtube video of Fox News programming showed a discussion about the NAU talks a while back. The caption to it read "Summit in Canada prompts fears of 'Super Government'". Apparently FN had already decided that it was something bad and that it has to be feared.
Edit: Actually the guy who's video I included above has a bunch of very interesting videos which shows in detail how Fox Noose puts spin into a whole lot of stories they present. I recommend his playlist entitled "Fox News Bias".
Can I have your credit card number, social security number, and address? You know, just in case someone steals it. I want to keep it safe.
This is entirely off the point, unrelated, and a straw man. Knowing who owns something that can unintentionally kill another person is very different than financial information.
This is entirely off the point, unrelated, and astraw man.Knowing who owns something that can unintentionally kill another person is very different than financial information.
How is that a strawman? You say "I think the government should have personal information about X." I argue via analogy that I think it's bad to give personal information to other people, albeit in a slightly humorous way. Not a strawman.
This is entirely off the point, unrelated, and astraw man.Knowing who owns something that can unintentionally kill another person is very different than financial information.
How is that a strawman? You say "I think the government should have personal information about X." I argue via analogy that I think it's bad to give personal information to other people, albeit in a slightly humorous way. Not a strawman.
I already explained this in my post. Finance and lethal weapons are very different. Sex offenders don't want their personal information given out, but tough. If my neighbor has enough firepower to blow up a whale, I want someone in authority to have some knowledge.
Guess that abstinence only sex education works wonders.
You're missing the point of abstinence only sex education programs. Evangelicans feel that teen pregnancy is God's punishment for underage sex and that actually effective sex education programs teach teenagers how to avoid punishment for defiling God's will. And they're big about making sure that God's will isn't obstructed. This isn't a failure to them, its a huge success.
This is the kind of crazy shit that people believe when you replace science with scripture.
You're missing the point of abstinence only sex education programs. Evangelicans feel that teen pregnancy is God's punishment for underage sex and that actually effective sex education programs teach teenagers how to avoid punishment for defiling God's will. And they're big about making sure that God's will isn't obstructed. This isn't a failure to them, its a huge success.
Ugh, somehow I'd never thought about it like that, but it makes more sense than I'd care to admit. We'll see how this one plays out. I'll say that while the extreme right won't budge on the matter the people in the middle will start to take notice of this one, and they're the people that really matter.
Conservatives are really desperate to find arguments to support Sarah Palin. Now they even get pwned by James Carville on Larry King Live
The end of the first video can be easily described: Carville: "She does not have enough experience and she has been chosen solely for political reasons." Bachmann: "But she is a women!" Carville: "This is not part of the debate. She doesn't have the experience to lead a country." Bachmann: Sticks her fingers in her ears "She's a woman! She's a woman! She's a woman!"
Putting her daughter into the scrutiny of the media circus is a testament to Sarah Palin's strength as a person? WTF?! And the people on the internet did not take pictures of them, but analyzed pictures of them that already where on the internet, mostly on Palin's own website or released by other media outlets.
Conservatives are really desperate to find arguments to support Sarah Palin. Now they even get pwned by James Carville on Larry King Live
I never would have expected James Carville to be not only the voice of reason, but also the smartest person in that discussion. Consider my mind blown.
Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor.
The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode." . . .
During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry." Kalnins added: "If every Christian will vote righteously, it would be a landslide every time."
Months after hinting at possible damnation for Kerry supporters, Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you." . . .
Even Palin expressed surprise at that pastor's advocacy for her candidacy. "He was praying over me," she said in June. "He's praying, 'Lord make a way, Lord make a way...' And I'm thinking, this guy's really bold, he doesn't even know what I'm gonna do, he doesn't know what my plans are, and he's praying not, 'Oh Lord, if it be your will may she become governor,' or whatever. No, he just prayed for it. He said, 'Lord, make a way, and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened. So, again, very very powerful coming from this church."
BTW, Did you know that she was nearly recalled as Mayor of that little podunk town? Apparently, she fired the Police Chief and Library Director for not supporting her for Mayor. Jeez, that's kinda similar behavior to her troopergate shenanigans.
Edit: I also just found out that she tried toban books from the city Library when she was mayor: Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor.
You gotta wonder what books she would try to ban if she was VP. I'll bet she would be sympathetic to banning some video games as well.
Turns out McCain's first pick wasLieberman, but was forced to choose Palin due to those pesky religious folk.
Lieberman is a weird dude. Back in the day, maybe a decade ago, I could agree with him on most things other than his anti-video game stance. Nowadays I just really don't like him much at all. Did he change, or did I, or did we both?
The moment the McCain camp confirmed it had chosen Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as its choice for VP, conservatives, females and many mothers across the country rejoiced. She brought so many positives that I couldn’t help but wonder how long it would take the left to dig for the negatives.
Shortly after the announcement a friend asked me “when do you think the weird, rural farmer’s daughter rumors will start?
Apparently, not long after.
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The key question here is: what is the extreme left trying to prove? How does this make Sarah Palin unfit to serve? And how exactly will this story look bad to voters? A mother stands behind her child. I can think of worse stories than “Palins Come Together to Support Teen Daughter.†This is America. This is life. And this is private.
Ridiculing McCain’s VP pick for her commitment to family, poking fun at her hobbies and pushing smear about her kids will only bite back. Remember there’s a reason the naked protesters who ran up and down Eighth Avenue in New York City during the 2004 convention helped Republicans: they made liberals look cuckoo for cocoa puffs.Sarah Palin: Deeply Threatening to the Left?
Okay. What about particulars? The strategist started at the bottom and moved up.
“Todd’s DUI — we judged that to be immaterial to the selection process. The ticket for fishing without a license — we judged that to be immaterial to the selection process.†On the charge that Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party, the strategist said, flatly, “She was never a member of the independence party, because she has been a registered Republican.†(Later, the McCain camp put out a statement saying it had provided reporters with “ALL voter registration documentation†showing that Palin has been a registered Republican since 1982 and “has never been a member of the AIP.â€Â) And on the issue of Palin’s daughter Bristol being pregnant: “John McCain made a decision that did not affect his decision-making in terms of her qualifications.†(As far as the allegation that Gov. Palin faked a pregnancy to cover up for her daughter is concerned, it appears the McCain campaign knew about it and looked into it, but never very deeply because it had been proven false to the satisfaction of pretty much anyone outside The Atlantic or the DailyKos.)
From our conversation, it was clear that the McCain campaign paid a lot of attention to the so-called “Troopergate†issue. After all, unlike the “fake baby†story that has preoccupied the press, it is a real issue involving allegations that Palin abused her power. Last night, the McCain campaign distributed a "background guidance" memo to reporters on the issue. In our conversation, the strategist recounted much of the substance of that memo.
“Of course this issue came up in the vetting, and this is what we discovered,†the source said. “The man who was fired has said on the record that he was never pressured by the governor or the governor’s husband on the issue of firing Trooper Wooten. The governor had a vision for how she wanted that department to be run. The commissioner had a different vision.â€Â
“The reason that members of the Palin family were having discussions with the head of the state police about this state trooper, who was her ex-brother-in-law, was because he had made threats against the family. He threatened to kill the governor's daughter, her father, and her sister. He tasered her 11-year-old stepson. And that is why the Palin family was concerned about this trooper.â€Â
Hmmm... Interesting update on the article about "Troopergate"
Update at 7:17 p.m. ET: The McCain campaign says that the state, not Palin, hired Anchorage attorney Thomas V. Van Flein to represent her in her capacity as governor, and that he has been working for several weeks.
"The governor of every state gets legal counsel and this attorney is part of a weeks-old effort to provide this governor defense in a series of outlandish politically motivated charges," said Tucker Eskew, a senior McCain adviser. "This legal defense is neither new nor uncommon nor at all political. It is a matter of her job and is not recent and it is not related to her selection on the McCain-Palin ticket."
Why is Obama acting as if he is running against Palin?
“Well, my understanding is that Governor Palin’s town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We’ve got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month. So I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the last couple of years,†Obama said.
John McCain’s spokesman called the suggestion “laughable.â€Â
“For Barack Obama to argue that he’s experienced enough to be president because he’s running for president is desperate circular logic and its laughable. It is a testament to Barack Obama’s inexperience and failing qualifications that he would stoop to passing off his candidacy as comparable to Governor Sarah Palin’s executive experience managing a budget of over $10 billion and more than 24,000 employees,†said spokesman Tucker Bounds.
Replace God with Allah, lather, let soak for 2 minutes, rinse.
It is impossible to determine how much Wasilla Assembly of God has shaped Palin's thinking. She was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation. In 2002, Palin moved her family to a nondenominational church, but she continues to worship at a related Assembly of God church in Juneau.
From the same article. If you are trying to show some sort of equivalence between Obama and Palin here you need to keep in mind that Palin was born into this church while Obama chose his church. Palin also left the church after she became governor while Obama did not leave his church until it became politically expedient to do so.
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Another youtube video of Fox News programming showed a discussion about the NAU talks a while back. The caption to it read "Summit in Canada prompts fears of 'Super Government'". Apparently FN had already decided that it was something bad and that it has to be feared.
Edit: Actually the guy who's video I included above has a bunch of very interesting videos which shows in detail how Fox Noose puts spin into a whole lot of stories they present. I recommend his playlist entitled "Fox News Bias".
Here are three excellent articles about Palin.
Meanwhile, Palin says that Iraq is being fought for oil. I thought that was a big no-no among conservative types.
Seems to me anyone even mildly socially liberal would avoid her like the plague.
Better?
This is the kind of crazy shit that people believe when you replace science with scripture.
The end of the first video can be easily described:
Carville: "She does not have enough experience and she has been chosen solely for political reasons."
Bachmann: "But she is a women!"
Carville: "This is not part of the debate. She doesn't have the experience to lead a country."
Bachmann: Sticks her fingers in her ears "She's a woman! She's a woman! She's a woman!"
Putting her daughter into the scrutiny of the media circus is a testament to Sarah Palin's strength as a person? WTF?! And the people on the internet did not take pictures of them, but analyzed pictures of them that already where on the internet, mostly on Palin's own website or released by other media outlets.
Here's a funny video of a McCain spokesman trying to explain why Palin could be Commander-In-Chief.
Edit: I also just found out that she tried to ban books from the city Library when she was mayor:
BTW, Did you know that she was nearly recalled as Mayor of that little podunk town? Apparently, she fired the Police Chief and Library Director for not supporting her for Mayor. Jeez, that's kinda similar behavior to her troopergate shenanigans. You gotta wonder what books she would try to ban if she was VP. I'll bet she would be sympathetic to banning some video games as well.
But it seems he's still a member of the silly party...
I suggest everyone read this article: The Case Against the Case Against Palin
Why is Obama acting as if he is running against Palin? Obama: I Have More Executive Experience Than Palin
Replace God with Allah, lather, let soak for 2 minutes, rinse.
I'm curious to see where this leads...
I'm just curious, beyond the republican talking points and counter points do you actually have an opinion on her?