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  • That's the monoculture. :-P

    I'm bored and throwing shit at the wall at this point, really.
  • Home protection is never a reason to own a gun. I'd move before I considered buying a gun to defend myself.

    And where are you going to that you feel the need to carry a gun??? I'd stay home. Except into the woods. I'm Rambo in the ADKs.

    I do wish NY would allow civilians better access to pepper spray and collapsing batons. Still iffy about tasers. I'd take a cattle prod over a stun gun for the range.

    I really need to develop my saftey umbrella...
  • Moving isn't always feasible due to any number of reasons.

    My wife has forbidden a home security shotgun, so I have a 24" machete instead. :P
  • I just got a switchblade. Whats the penalty for being caught w/ that in ny?
  • Moving isn't always feasible due to any number of reasons.

    My wife has forbidden a home security shotgun, so I have a 24" machete instead. :P
    The question is would you use it? I see the argument of home protection weapons but surely there are better options then buying a gun, shooting an intruder and having to deal with that.

  • There is a meth house two houses down from mine. I have reported them to the DEA to no avail. I have two big dogs and cameras on my property (and a sign advertising the cameras) which may do nothing or may be the best security set up ever, based on the results so far. I did notice that they stopped throwing their trash in my yard as they shamble past.

    It's not a bad neighborhood, just one bad house.

    I have two daughters. If one of the meth heads from next door tried to force their way in here, I would certainly have no qualms about cutting them until they gave up.
  • Probably a felony. And if its a traditional Italian switchblade, that thing will probably break if you try using it on someone. I'd get something else for self defense if I were you, because I'm not fond of being stabbed.

    I'm of the mindset that if you feel the need to carry a gun for self defense, then you should carry something like pepper spray or a taser as well. Just because you have the gun doesn't mean you should use it.
  • Its a misdemeanor, I looked it up in the mean time. Which still sucks, Id be hoping it was just a violation or something, but I guess they usually attribute it to people who are gonna be committing crimes and stabbings and whatnot. I didnt get it to carry around for self defense anyway, was just curious!
  • I'm coming in a bit late, but I feel obligated to point out that shooting at the drunk guy who stumbles into your front door is an unjustified use of lethal force and could get you convicted of manslaughter if you actually killed him.
  • I'm coming in a bit late, but I feel obligated to point out that shooting at the drunk guy who stumbles into your front door is an unjustified use of lethal force and could get you convicted of manslaughter if you actually killed him.
    You don't say...
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  • edited July 2012
    I'm coming in a bit late, but I feel obligated to point out that shooting at the drunk guy who stumbles into your front door is an unjustified use of lethal force and could get you convicted of manslaughter if you actually killed him.
    I doubt that that's an accurate representation of the scenario in question.
    Post edited by lackofcheese on
  • True, but a drunk asshole is a lot more likely to fuck with you than some murderer or mugger. Another reason to carry pepper spray or a Taser rather than just a gun.
  • I'm coming in a bit late, but I feel obligated to point out that shooting at the drunk guy who stumbles into your front door is an unjustified use of lethal force and could get you convicted of manslaughter if you actually killed him.
    It depends on the jurisdiction, actually, and on the jury, and on the circumstances, and a lot of things.

  • In what way does it depend on jurisdiction? Are there places where someone being in your home uninvited automatically counts as a threat worthy of response with a lethal weapon?
  • edited July 2012
    In case you actually wanted context. The shooting happened on a weekend where three armed robberies targeting students took place in the same neighborhood. Shooter was not charged.
    In what way does it depend on jurisdiction? Are there places where someone being in your home uninvited automatically counts as a threat worthy of response with a lethal weapon?
    Yes, Castle laws are quite prevalent.

    Post edited by Andrew on
  • In what way does it depend on jurisdiction? Are there places where someone being in your home uninvited automatically counts as a threat worthy of response with a lethal weapon?
    Yes.

  • Wow, the US is fucked up.
  • There is a meth house two houses down from mine. I have reported them to the DEA to no avail. I have two big dogs and cameras on my property (and a sign advertising the cameras) which may do nothing or may be the best security set up ever, based on the results so far. I did notice that they stopped throwing their trash in my yard as they shamble past.

    It's not a bad neighborhood, just one bad house.

    I have two daughters. If one of the meth heads from next door tried to force their way in here, I would certainly have no qualms about cutting them until they gave up.
    I meant a gun rather than a sword. Its just an interesting how many people buy a gun for self defence yet do not have the fortitude to use one.

    To put a positie on the meth den, they're a type of chemist which is a bit geeky....
  • Wow, the US is fucked up.
    Why is it a reasonable expectation that you wait until an unknown threat with unknown intent and unknown capacity has a chance to take a shot at you or your family first before defending yourself?
  • In case you actually wanted context.
    Whoops, this says he was on drugs, I could have sworn the article I read when it happened said he was drunk. Sorry about that :( I guess in the end it doesn't make a difference though.
  • In case you actually wanted context.
    Whoops, this says he was on drugs, I could have sworn the article I read when it happened said he was drunk. Sorry about that :( I guess in the end it doesn't make a difference though.
    Not a major one, but depending on the drug it certainly could have affected the impression he gave the victim.
  • I don't trust the average homeowner's common sense when it comes to whether or not they should shoot someone who is on or near their property.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshihiro_Hattori
  • Wow, the US is fucked up.
    Why is it a reasonable expectation that you wait until an unknown threat with unknown intent and unknown capacity has a chance to take a shot at you or your family first before defending yourself?
    Defending yourself doesn't have to mean shooting and killing.
  • Your statement is fine but your anecdote isn't useful as an argument. You should stick with your NYC example, it holds water.
  • Wow, the US is fucked up.
    Why is it a reasonable expectation that you wait until an unknown threat with unknown intent and unknown capacity has a chance to take a shot at you or your family first before defending yourself?
    Defending yourself doesn't have to mean shooting and killing.
    Say you taze a crazed intruder. He's out for a few minutes. When he wakes up, HE'S STILL IN YOUR HOUSE. Should you have zip ties handy to go with your tazer that may not work if he's wearing flannel? How big should your self defense kit be, and what should it contain?
  • Just bring out the good old BDSM equipment.
  • The odds of a "crazed" intruder are practically zero in most places.
  • Can we not conflate shooting with automatically killing? Also, yes there are cases where killing a person IS defending yourself, however rare that may be.

    Also if you guys argue that untrained people are more likely to not be effective with a gun, what makes you think they would be any more effective with tasers?

    I have yet to see someone present an argument re: concealed carry that is not already fixed by extensive training requirements and pysch evals. Furthermore, I'm willing to bet that deliberate shootings by registered shooters with concealed weapons permits are a small minority of total gun crime.
  • Wow, the US is fucked up.
    Why is it a reasonable expectation that you wait until an unknown threat with unknown intent and unknown capacity has a chance to take a shot at you or your family first before defending yourself?
    Defending yourself doesn't have to mean shooting and killing.
    Say you taze a crazed intruder. He's out for a few minutes. When he wakes up, HE'S STILL IN YOUR HOUSE. Should you have zip ties handy to go with your tazer that may not work if he's wearing flannel? How big should your self defense kit be, and what should it contain?
    They're out for more than a few minutes, and I would assume that you would call the police after a situation like that.
  • Tasers have far less capacity for collateral damage, and very rarely kill.

    I'm not saying conceal-and-carry should be illegal: I'm saying it's a stupid idea regardless of how skilled the carrier is.
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