I think it's largely similar to civil rights regarding race. The big battle has been won in that it is no longer society acceptable to be actively, openly prejudice. Well, actually, I think that's slightly less true for sexism than racism, but for the most part it's not acceptable anymore to openly claim women as being lesser than men.
However, that just opens a whole other can of worms, because there are still huge, systematic problems, but essentially the idea of being accused of being sexist/racist is considered so much worse than the problems themselves that it is increasingly difficult to call those problems out.
I don't consider myself a feminist (some of you would argue this is a lie based on some of my past thread participation.. but anyway..:-P) I'm not a feminist... Its easy to appreciate how much better I've got it here than women wearing burkas, women from the past, etc. Heck I'll even admit I've judged feminists as crazy ladies, why are they so whiney? I don't hate men. In fact, my favorite person in the world is a man! I love all his manly qualities!
But... I'd just like to be treated and respected equally with men, by all people, that's all. And that complaint isn't geared towards all men. In fact, in my daily life I feel like most men I come into contact with treat me like a normal person. But there are still those guys that have to bring up that I'm a woman, that I'm emotionally weak, that I'm pretty so its okay to sexually harass me, to tell me I'm not as smart as them, to say I don't deserve the same amount of money, that having a vagina and boobs magically makes me good at laundry and cooking and babies... etc. I just wish society would stop churning out these kinds of people, that's all. What's so bad about wanting to be treated equally?
Edit: This isn't directed towards anyone, I'm just complaining to the universe in general. :-P
All the way back? I never really met my dad until I was five years old because he had been drafted to fight the dirty commies.
What I really believe is that things like societally enforced misandry and misogyny are really just classism in disguise. You'll find that most of the problems that most people identify as gender discrimination really only affect the lower classes.
All the way back? I never really met my dad until I was five years old because he had been drafted to fight the dirty commies.
What I really believe is that things like societally enforced misandry and misogyny are really just classism in disguise. You'll find that most of the problems that most people identify as gender discrimination really only affect the lower classes.
One of the ways you can find an extremist is when they claim that all problems are just their pet "ism" in disguise, rather than an intersection of many different "isms". Classism is definitely a huge one, but it's disingenuous to claim that sexism is just classism in disguise, same way it is to claim that racism is just classism. Homophobia and transphobia definitely isn't just classism, and both those things are tied up strongly in gender roles bullshit.
Society is set up so that rich, straight, white, cis, able-bodied rich old white dudes are at the top and everyone is below them in some way or another. The closer you are to rich straight white cis able-bodied rich old white and dude, the better society treats you, on average. All these different movements are just set up to attack one of those qualifiers, and when those movements fight amoung ourselves, rich straight white cis able-bodied rich old white dudes are the only ones that win.
Society is set up so that rich, straight, white, cis, able-bodied rich old white dudes... All these different movements are just set up to attack one of those qualifiers...
I disagree with this one.
Our goal should be to make everyone able-bodied through technology. Accommodation of disabilities is just a stop-gap measure.
Society is set up so that rich, straight, white, cis, able-bodied rich old white dudes... All these different movements are just set up to attack one of those qualifiers...
I disagree with this one.
Our goal should be to make everyone able-bodied through technology. Accommodation of disabilities is just a stop-gap measure.
Well yeah. But you still gotta do it until the transhuman dream comes true, otherwise you're a dick.
I think it's a bit of an oversight, but obviously it's not malicious. Captioning is a lot of work and I don't blame you for not doing it.
It's a weird gray area. It's impossible to accomodate all people all the time, obviously. I think it would cross the line into ableism if a deaf person were to request subtitles and you made no motion in that direction at that point. (not nessesarily doing it yourself, but perhaps directing the community towards it.)
Irrelevant; we should be (and are) working on text-to-speech, speech-to-subtitle tech. The idea shouldn't be, "Everyone write subtitles or else you're ableist!" but rather, "Here's some technology that lets both the disabled and the abled do less work!"
So where is ableism a major problem in the US currently, worthy of being up there with the others you listed?
I don't really think there is a "worthiness" scale. There are others, too. Tall people are more successful than short people, for example. Ableism just came to mind when I was writing the list of this hypothetical patriarch.
I don't really think there is a "worthiness" scale. There are others, too. Tall people are more successful than short people, for example. Ableism just came to mind when I was writing the list of this hypothetical patriarch.
It just seems like an odd thing to fixate on: I don't really see a modern pattern of discrimination unless you count "good looks," which is unfixable.
I feel like ableism is only a thing in rhetoric. There are people who think that some disabilities aren't disabilities (mental and learning come to mind), but when it comes to the traditional disabilities, everyone seems to agree that we ought to help them.
I don't really think there is a "worthiness" scale. There are others, too. Tall people are more successful than short people, for example. Ableism just came to mind when I was writing the list of this hypothetical patriarch.
It just seems like an odd thing to fixate on: I don't really see a modern pattern of discrimination unless you count "good looks," which is unfixable.
I dunno, it was just on my mind. I wasn't really fixated on it or anything, it was just one of the ones I wrote down.
There are numbers to support the thought that there is a war on men (%90 of high school disciplinary problems are caused by boys, %55 of college enrollment is female, %70 of learning disability diagnoses are in males; I'm choosing ones about education because they're fresh in my mind), one could easily believe that there is a War on Men. I would propose, however, that men surrendered in a war that women never declared.
That's one way of thinking about it, or perhaps men in general aren't as shit hot as they think they are in terms of education without willfully suppressing the opposite sex.
There's more. For example, despite how women are still paid less for the same pay, employed women make more on average than employed men, and more businesses are owned by women than men (I don't remember the exact number).
Or simply that boys are simply socialized to be little shits as kids (boys will be boys, after all) and have much lower general expectations of discipline and behavior.
My parents let myself and my brother run around with our male friends doing crazy shit, building treehouses, wandering around construction sites and getting in fights, while they scheduled and micromanaged every single aspect of my sister's life and pushed her into as many extracurricular activities as they could, which were inevitably filled with other girls her age. By age 12 she had gymnastics, dance, karate, scouting, skiing, extra school courses, she was doing a different activity every day of the week and all her social activity was monitored. It's no surprise to me that she and her friends are much more disciplined than me or my friends are.
Guys are just expected to get by because we are supposed to be naturally more competitive and independent and all sorts of self-fulfilling prophecy bullshit. Women have to be just as competitive as men without being as confrontational, as skilled without being as brash, as independent while also being social adept. Society just pushes them harder.
You are expanding your anecdote a little too aggressively. If you think that there are not many, many boys out there micromanaged to death by their parents in a multitude of sports and extra-curricular activities, you're delusional. I see one as often as the other.
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However, that just opens a whole other can of worms, because there are still huge, systematic problems, but essentially the idea of being accused of being sexist/racist is considered so much worse than the problems themselves that it is increasingly difficult to call those problems out.
But... I'd just like to be treated and respected equally with men, by all people, that's all. And that complaint isn't geared towards all men. In fact, in my daily life I feel like most men I come into contact with treat me like a normal person. But there are still those guys that have to bring up that I'm a woman, that I'm emotionally weak, that I'm pretty so its okay to sexually harass me, to tell me I'm not as smart as them, to say I don't deserve the same amount of money, that having a vagina and boobs magically makes me good at laundry and cooking and babies... etc. I just wish society would stop churning out these kinds of people, that's all. What's so bad about wanting to be treated equally?
Edit: This isn't directed towards anyone, I'm just complaining to the universe in general. :-P
What I really believe is that things like societally enforced misandry and misogyny are really just classism in disguise. You'll find that most of the problems that most people identify as gender discrimination really only affect the lower classes.
Society is set up so that rich, straight, white, cis, able-bodied rich old white dudes are at the top and everyone is below them in some way or another. The closer you are to rich straight white cis able-bodied rich old white and dude, the better society treats you, on average. All these different movements are just set up to attack one of those qualifiers, and when those movements fight amoung ourselves, rich straight white cis able-bodied rich old white dudes are the only ones that win.
Our goal should be to make everyone able-bodied through technology. Accommodation of disabilities is just a stop-gap measure.
I don't, for example, subtitle/caption GeekNights videos, and have no plans to do so. Is that ableist?
It's a weird gray area. It's impossible to accomodate all people all the time, obviously. I think it would cross the line into ableism if a deaf person were to request subtitles and you made no motion in that direction at that point. (not nessesarily doing it yourself, but perhaps directing the community towards it.)
My parents let myself and my brother run around with our male friends doing crazy shit, building treehouses, wandering around construction sites and getting in fights, while they scheduled and micromanaged every single aspect of my sister's life and pushed her into as many extracurricular activities as they could, which were inevitably filled with other girls her age. By age 12 she had gymnastics, dance, karate, scouting, skiing, extra school courses, she was doing a different activity every day of the week and all her social activity was monitored. It's no surprise to me that she and her friends are much more disciplined than me or my friends are.
Guys are just expected to get by because we are supposed to be naturally more competitive and independent and all sorts of self-fulfilling prophecy bullshit. Women have to be just as competitive as men without being as confrontational, as skilled without being as brash, as independent while also being social adept. Society just pushes them harder.
FWIW, if there is a draft or selective service, then both men and women should be required to register for it.