Please show where anyone here has counted chickens before they've hatched. We've been over this before. Hoping for an event to happen and discussing such hopes with others =/= counting chickens before they've hatched.
Are you sure you know what that colloquialism means? You misuse it a lot.
Please show where anyone here has counted chickens before they've hatched. We've been over this before.
We've been over exactly this before.
So many chickens being counted before they are hatched. Remember the little institution called the Senate?
You're being an asshole, Kilarney.
It will be so fun to refer to this thread later. So many chickens counted and so few hatched. Please - keep talking. Seriously.
The funny thing is that you are acting so pompous and intelligent and yet the most basic thing about people's reaction to you cannot process - Even if the public option DOES fail, even if the senate kills it like you're hoping, even if global warming is "unraveled", Geeknights loses all its integrity, and even if Joe truly WAS "pwnd" back in the day - NOBODY WILL THINK ANY HIGHER OF YOU. Even if you are right, you will still be a gaping, steaming asshole. You seem to think that your ego and reputation are riding on whether or not your prediction comes true, that if you are proven right everyone will suddenly humble themselves to you. "I'm sorry Kilarney, I guess we'll take you and your astute opinions seriously from now on. You're so smart. Please take my first child." For the sake of that, you have cast off all semblance of a political debate and have chosen egocentric whining, gloating, and taunting everyone who is hoping for the public option because they want better healthcare.
Yeah, that's going to get you some real respect around here. Once again - It is nobody's goal to prove Kilarney wrong. Yeah, it would be an awesome bonus now, given the way you've acted, but this bullshit:
I just get sick of people hoping I'm wrong.
is not the issue. We are hoping that we will get the public option, because we want better healthcare, not because we want to prove that Kilarney has a small dick. I'll enlarge the font next time, if you still can't understand. Or maybe I'll make it pink.
Just a quick aside for loltsundere: Could you call HungryJoe just "Joe" for short? When I read "even if HJ truly WAS "pwnd" back in the day" I thought "What's the Hitlerjugend got to do with all this" until I got it.
Anyways, Kilarney is a dick and that was a good rant. Unfortunately the way I know him he didn't understand a word of it or chose to ignore it completely.
Just a quick aside for loltsundere: Could you call HungryJoe just "Joe" for short? When I read "even if HJ truly WAS "pwnd" back in the day" I thought "What's the Hitlerjugend got to do with all this" until I got it.
Anyways, Kilarney is a dick and that was a good rant. Unfortunately the way I know him he didn't understand a word of it or chose to ignore it completely.
I am just amazed that rather than discuss the merits and pitfalls of the House Bill are not being discussed and it has turned into a slap fight owing to pomposity.
Regardless of who is being petty, can people point to aspects of the proposal they find interesting/troubling?
Well a big thing that I don't understand is, what is so threatening about the public option? The claims I've heard made against it are downright ridiculous, and I don't really understand why such things would be taken so seriously in the senate that they could actually kill it.
One thing that I'm curious about is the part about Medicare/Medicaid. I may have misread it, but it seems like the plan is to expand on those programs, yet at the same time they're cutting the spending by about $500,000. Doesn't that seem counter-productive?
One thing that I'm curious about is the part about Medicare/Medicaid. I may have misread it, but it seems like the plan is to expand on those programs, yet at the same time they're cutting the spending by about $500,000. Doesn't that seem counter-productive?
There are explanations of how they plan to pay for the bill (raising taxes on people with income over $250,000 a year, cuts in areas that would be redundant, etc.
Well a big thing that I don't understand is, what is so threatening about the public option? The claims I've heard made against it are downright ridiculous, and I don't really understand why such things would be taken so seriously in the senate that they could actually kill it.
Fear mongering is a powerful tool, and lobbies have deep pockets. From the fear mongering side, people are afraid the public option will kill private insurance. Leading to one step closure to a completely socialist country where those damned Mexicans and poor take your hard earned money. Also, they say its impossible for a public system to be run more efficiently then private insurance and will only drive up costs or cut services.
The entire medical establishment is also a issue. Health Care has become very lucrative for some and people in the business have immense incentives to keep the status quo, if not try to gain the system through reform. Episode 113 of NPR's planet money explains some of the reasons why the present system may be adversely driving up prices. This results in representatives from medical service providers, drug companies, and health insurance companies lobbying and spreading miss information campaigns to ensure any reform won't hurt their bottom line. Unfortunately, people are stupid and or greedy and this is working very well. The democrats are under a lot of pressure and are giving up so much ground the reform may not be beneficial to anyone and only result in driving up costs. This Huffington Post article shows at the very least the drug companies have been successful and seem to be safe from reform as of now.
For the most part everything I hear against the public option is complete B.S. I have only heard one semi rational argument as to why the public option may be a bad idea. The American government is not like the Canadians or the Swedes, so we cant run health care like them. Basically, the government may be so corrupt that any public option put in place will be corrupt to and only result in ludicrous spending that will cripple it. Government is not too incompetent/corrupt to manage health care, because its does in other countries, but AMERICAN government is too incompetent/corrupt to run health care. I hope this is not the case.
It's sort of like people complaining about the public option who also receive Medicare/Medicaid. Or people saying that Medicare/Medicaid are not managed well so should be dismantled and no public option should exist. It almost sounds like a good argument until you, you know, think about it at all.
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Pretty petty Petey.
Pretty petty Petey.
Pretty pettah bleh blah.
Man, you're right. That was tough.
Are you sure you know what that colloquialism means? You misuse it a lot.
Yeah, that's going to get you some real respect around here. Once again - It is nobody's goal to prove Kilarney wrong. Yeah, it would be an awesome bonus now, given the way you've acted, but this bullshit: is not the issue. We are hoping that we will get the public option, because we want better healthcare, not because we want to prove that Kilarney has a small dick. I'll enlarge the font next time, if you still can't understand. Or maybe I'll make it pink. I hope this has been informative, douche.
Anyways, Kilarney is a dick and that was a good rant. Unfortunately the way I know him he didn't understand a word of it or chose to ignore it completely.
Regardless of who is being petty, can people point to aspects of the proposal they find interesting/troubling?
The entire medical establishment is also a issue. Health Care has become very lucrative for some and people in the business have immense incentives to keep the status quo, if not try to gain the system through reform. Episode 113 of NPR's planet money explains some of the reasons why the present system may be adversely driving up prices. This results in representatives from medical service providers, drug companies, and health insurance companies lobbying and spreading miss information campaigns to ensure any reform won't hurt their bottom line. Unfortunately, people are stupid and or greedy and this is working very well. The democrats are under a lot of pressure and are giving up so much ground the reform may not be beneficial to anyone and only result in driving up costs. This Huffington Post article shows at the very least the drug companies have been successful and seem to be safe from reform as of now.
For the most part everything I hear against the public option is complete B.S. I have only heard one semi rational argument as to why the public option may be a bad idea. The American government is not like the Canadians or the Swedes, so we cant run health care like them. Basically, the government may be so corrupt that any public option put in place will be corrupt to and only result in ludicrous spending that will cripple it. Government is not too incompetent/corrupt to manage health care, because its does in other countries, but AMERICAN government is too incompetent/corrupt to run health care. I hope this is not the case.