EDIT: And they think CLOUD PEOPLE are EATING CONTRAILS OF AEROPLANES?
People in my area have also been sick with severe respiratory problems since the end of last summer. The fall of '98 was particularly bad. This illness never seems to go away. It just fades in and out. I have been suffering from it myself since the fall and there has been no real change in my condition. Antibiotics have had no effect - the condition persists. Now with this latest spraying - who knows.
Let's see... non-specific respiratory problems that begin in the fall, and persist through the winter, that are unaffected by antibiotics?
Yep, definitely THE GOVERNMENT TRYING TO SLOWLY KILL US.
My DNA came to Humanity by the means of THE ARK OF THE COVENANT and THE HOLY GRAIL and all of you in the World now hold this DNA in your blood."
"Start meditating with these magic words for at least 30 minutes a day to begin with and increase your meditatiing time to 2 hours a day as soon as possible. Repeat them in the exact order that they are.
Do the meditation excersize before drinking lots of diet coke in the 20 oz and 1 liter sizes (with caffeine) in the plastic bottles only. Along with a double-quarter-pounder/with cheese meal at McDonald's only. Always meditate 30 mins to an hour before eating. Try to eat at least one meal a day for a while. Go back to my web site periodically to see if you can start to feel the magic after reading a few paragraphs. "
So should we consider people who are Birthers conspiracy theorists? Racists just looking for an excuse to show President Obama as a other? Or political opportunists looking for cheap media coverage or points (I.E. Trump). Do you think that an increase in Birthers will cause more conspiracy theorists of other types in the future. Kinda priming the wheel?
So should we consider people who are Birthers conspiracy theorists? Racists just looking for an excuse to show President Obama as a other? Or political opportunists looking for cheap media coverage or points (I.E. Trump). Do you think that an increase in Birthers will cause more conspiracy theorists of other types in the future. Kinda priming the wheel?
Birthers are obviously nut conspiracy theorists, but I do give them one point above other conspiracy nuts in that there is nothing inherently supernatural about their conspiracy.
I'm not sure I think a lot of them are in the other two categories I listed. For me at least you can't be a conspiracy theorist nut unless you ascribe to at least 2 or 3 conspiracy theories because everyone has one at least (that could even be a plausible one, from the republicans stole the 2000 election with voter fraud or oil companies have surprised cleaner more efficient engines))
For me at least you can't be a conspiracy theorist nut unless you ascribe to at least 2 or 3 conspiracy theories
Quite.
Thinking the moon landing was faked without having done any real research is just ignorance. Thinking the moon landing was faked after having done real research is stupidity.
Thinking the moon landing was faked, AND thinking that chemtrails are poisoning you is insanity.
Birthers are obviously nut conspiracy theorists, but I do give them one point above other conspiracy nuts in that there is nothing inherently supernatural about their conspiracy.
So, a relative scale of crazy people, the top being least crazy while still being wrong and crazy:
Birthers (no supernatural, just stupid) Chiropractors (supernatural) Scientologists (more supernatural) Chemtrails (supernatural and ultra-crazy) Time Cube
It's kinda unfair to say Chiropractors are all supernatural because there is like a spectrum of believe some that have "Science" behind them and others that are completely supernatural. You should at least name it Pseudo-Science.
It's kinda unfair to say Chiropractors are all supernatural because there is like a spectrum of believe some that have "Science" behind them and others that are completely supernatural. You should at least name it Pseudo-Science.
The core beliefs of all chiropractic are directly supernatural. Anyone who studies it either ignores this, rationalizes it, or is crazy. That's why they're less crazy than other woo-woo practitioners (though just as dangerous otherwise).
Chiropractors are either willfully ignorant, dishonest, or crazy. There's no way around that. But the crazy is low-test. It won't trigger the crazy-sensors in people as quickly as homeopathy or Time Cube, but simultaneously has the supernatural leap that doesn't exist for some idiot birther.
Birthers are obviously nut conspiracy theorists, but I do give them one point above other conspiracy nuts in that there is nothing inherently supernatural about their conspiracy.
So, a relative scale of crazy people, the top being least crazy while still being wrong and crazy:
Birthers (no supernatural, just stupid) Chiropractors (supernatural) Scientologists (more supernatural) Chemtrails (supernatural and ultra-crazy) Time Cube
This is going to lead to the best infographic ever.
On the birther issue, I find it hilarious that their defense is pure falacy. They say that citizenship could easily be proved by showing a few documents, so therefore not showing them proves guilt. If I was Obama, I wouldn't want to shut all the crazies up, I'd want to keep them hanging around so I could point at them and show the world the ridiculousness of my opposition.
It's kinda unfair to say Chiropractors are all supernatural because there is like a spectrum of believe some that have "Science" behind them and others that are completely supernatural. You should at least name it Pseudo-Science.
The core beliefs of all chiropractic are directly supernatural. Anyone who studies it either ignores this, rationalizes it, or is crazy. That's why they're less crazy than other woo-woo practitioners (though just as dangerous otherwise).
Chiropractors are either willfully ignorant, dishonest, or crazy. There's no way around that. But the crazy is low-test. It won't trigger the crazy-sensors in people as quickly as homeopathy or Time Cube, but simultaneously has the supernatural leap that doesn't exist for some idiot birther.
If a chiropractor is not supernatural, they are not a chiropractor. They're a masseuse, albeit one that causes your bones to make noises.
The core beliefs of all chiropractic are directly supernatural. Anyone who studies it either ignores this, rationalizes it, or is crazy. That's why they're less crazy than other woo-woo practitioners (though just as dangerous otherwise).
I don't think that the bone popping old men believe any of that shit.
You guys always talk about how bad it is because it's rooted in crazy, but chiropractors stay in business for the bone popping part of the equation. If you go to a doctor with a misaligned back, he will either refer you to a chiropractor, or he will give you medicine for the pain, muscle relaxers, etc, and let it heal itself.
Are there any studies as to the negative effects of spinal manipulation? I can't find much on the downsides to this, or the stats on injury that Rym and Scott speak of sometimes. I know you guys always talk about how bad it is, but can you show me some evidence?
Are there any studies as to the negative effects of spinal manipulation?
HAHA! This happens to be the one case where it is ludicrously easy to present all the necessary research, because there is an entire site dedicated to it.
"There is sufficient evidence that manipulation can at least temporarily improve the range of motion of impaired joints and relieve pain -- sometimes dramatically -- to make it a worthwhile, although limited, medical procedure. Manipulation requires a good deal of individual skill, which many chiropractors possess."
I was under the impression that you were against Spinal Manipulation because it's dangerous. It seems I should just very carefully find a practitioner that's for real and doesn't work in crazy.
I was under the impression that you were against Spinal Manipulation because it's dangerous. It seems I should just very carefully find a practitioner that's for real and doesn't work in crazy.
Or a real physical therapist/back doctor. Instead of a crackpot. To recycle an old turn of phrase, a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Spinal manipulation to relieve back pain is a valid practice. I know MDs who have had it done to themselves with success. Most of them have since moved on from crazy chiropractors with a fuckton of skill to masseuses certified for spinal manipulation and relief.
Where it gets ridiculous and bad and filled with woo is where people either hate traditional medicine or have such success with a crazy woo-woo chiropractor that they start going for spinal manipulation for problems that absolutely cannot be treated by it, and then, when symptoms worsen, they return for yet more chiropractic to try and fix it. It's a vicious woo-cycle, and the chiropractor is laughing all the way to the bank. The places that encourage shit like this are typically weird alternative medicine clinics, like the "Acupuncture and Chiropractic Alternative Healing Spa" next to where I get haircuts.
Generally, when a person tells me that his goal for after college is to go to chiropractic school (and, being pre-med, this has happened), I smile and say, "Good for you," while writing him off as an idiot who can't make it in any real field of medicine or general health (nursing, optometry, dentistry), or a smart but extremely malevolent con man who knows exactly what he's doing. Or, maybe a little bit of both.
I think you need to scroll down to the "dangers" section. You know, permanent spinal damage, paralysis, stroke.
All of which is poorly documented, unresearched, etc.
"Speculations exist that the risk of a serious complication due to neck manipulation are somewhere between one in 40,000 and one in 10 million manipulations. No one really knows, however, because (a) there has been little systematic study of its frequency; (b) the largest malpractice insurers won't reveal how many cases they know about; and (c) a large majority of cases that medical doctors see are not reported in scientific journals."
The whole Victim Reports and Other Personal Experiences section is just people bitching because they believed in crazy or had terrible doctors.
"The chiropractor showed me my x-ray and told me my vertebrae were twisted and I had 3 or 4 subluxations." "The chiropractor used the Activator tool." "...how he could straighten it and cure my MS..."
"The chiropractor showed me my x-ray and told me my vertebrae were twisted and I had 3 or 4 subluxations."
A subluxation is a real thing. It's the medical term for a dislocation of a joint. The activator is just a device for spine manipulation using less force than one's hands (like a pneumatic hammer; how that helps the back, I do not know). Of those three, only the last is legimately crazy.
Find a back pain specialist, a masseuse with said specialty, or a physical therapist. Chiropractic is one of the biggest scams perpetrated on the American populace, and I am urging you, as someone who knows doctors, knows physical therapists, knows doctors who deal with their own back pain and how they handle it, and as someone who is working on becoming a physician (specifically, a type of neurologist, so this is highly relevant to my interests) himself, to please not buy into that crap.
Of course, it's your body, and I'm not actually a doctor yet. So if you actually feel comfortable letting some dude with the equivalent of a diploma-mill certification in bone-popping play with one of the most important structures in your body, be my guest.
EDIT: It appears a chiropractic subluxation is something else entirely. Still, do not go to chiropractors.
The thing that bothers me with all this demonization of crazy conspiracy theories is that there are actual, real conspiracies that people might be inclined to believe are crazy conspiracy theories just because they've been exposed to so much of the demonization.
A conspiracy only requires more than one person to agree to commit some act. The Lincoln assassination, for example, was an actual conspiracy. Watergate was an actual conspiracy. The Mafia was/is an actual conspiracy (BTW, many people didn't believe in the Mafia's existence until RICO-type prosecutions began in the 70s. What is RICO? A federal statute designed for the prosecution of CONSPIRACIES).
I'm a little afraid that people who easily adopt certain views will, after hearing all the demonization of crazy conspiracy theories, decide that any thing called a conspiracy must be crazy, and therefore decide that historical, factual conspiracies like the ones above are somehow fictitious.
Chiropractic has been demonstrated to be effective in managing lower back pain.
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CLOUDS ARE PEOPLE?
WHAT?
Jesus.
EDIT: And they think CLOUD PEOPLE are EATING CONTRAILS OF AEROPLANES? Let's see... non-specific respiratory problems that begin in the fall, and persist through the winter, that are unaffected by antibiotics?
Yep, definitely THE GOVERNMENT TRYING TO SLOWLY KILL US.
"I AM JESHUA RETURNED
THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
My DNA came to Humanity by the means of THE ARK OF THE COVENANT and THE HOLY GRAIL and all of you in the World now hold this DNA in your blood."
"Start meditating with these magic words for at least 30 minutes a day to begin with and increase your meditatiing time to 2 hours a day as soon as possible. Repeat them in the exact order that they are.
Do the meditation excersize before drinking lots of diet coke in the 20 oz and 1 liter sizes (with caffeine) in the plastic bottles only. Along with a double-quarter-pounder/with cheese meal at McDonald's only. Always meditate 30 mins to an hour before eating. Try to eat at least one meal a day for a while. Go back to my web site periodically to see if you can start to feel the magic after reading a few paragraphs. "
Thinking the moon landing was faked without having done any real research is just ignorance.
Thinking the moon landing was faked after having done real research is stupidity.
Thinking the moon landing was faked, AND thinking that chemtrails are poisoning you is insanity.
Birthers (no supernatural, just stupid)
Chiropractors (supernatural)
Scientologists (more supernatural)
Chemtrails (supernatural and ultra-crazy)
Time Cube
Chiropractors are either willfully ignorant, dishonest, or crazy. There's no way around that. But the crazy is low-test. It won't trigger the crazy-sensors in people as quickly as homeopathy or Time Cube, but simultaneously has the supernatural leap that doesn't exist for some idiot birther.
On the birther issue, I find it hilarious that their defense is pure falacy. They say that citizenship could easily be proved by showing a few documents, so therefore not showing them proves guilt. If I was Obama, I wouldn't want to shut all the crazies up, I'd want to keep them hanging around so I could point at them and show the world the ridiculousness of my opposition.
You guys always talk about how bad it is because it's rooted in crazy, but chiropractors stay in business for the bone popping part of the equation. If you go to a doctor with a misaligned back, he will either refer you to a chiropractor, or he will give you medicine for the pain, muscle relaxers, etc, and let it heal itself.
Are there any studies as to the negative effects of spinal manipulation? I can't find much on the downsides to this, or the stats on injury that Rym and Scott speak of sometimes. I know you guys always talk about how bad it is, but can you show me some evidence?
http://www.chirobase.org/
"There is sufficient evidence that manipulation can at least temporarily improve the range of motion of impaired joints and relieve pain -- sometimes dramatically -- to make it a worthwhile, although limited, medical procedure. Manipulation requires a good deal of individual skill, which many chiropractors possess."
I was under the impression that you were against Spinal Manipulation because it's dangerous. It seems I should just very carefully find a practitioner that's for real and doesn't work in crazy.
Where it gets ridiculous and bad and filled with woo is where people either hate traditional medicine or have such success with a crazy woo-woo chiropractor that they start going for spinal manipulation for problems that absolutely cannot be treated by it, and then, when symptoms worsen, they return for yet more chiropractic to try and fix it. It's a vicious woo-cycle, and the chiropractor is laughing all the way to the bank. The places that encourage shit like this are typically weird alternative medicine clinics, like the "Acupuncture and Chiropractic Alternative Healing Spa" next to where I get haircuts.
Generally, when a person tells me that his goal for after college is to go to chiropractic school (and, being pre-med, this has happened), I smile and say, "Good for you," while writing him off as an idiot who can't make it in any real field of medicine or general health (nursing, optometry, dentistry), or a smart but extremely malevolent con man who knows exactly what he's doing. Or, maybe a little bit of both.
"Speculations exist that the risk of a serious complication due to neck manipulation are somewhere between one in 40,000 and one in 10 million manipulations. No one really knows, however, because (a) there has been little systematic study of its frequency; (b) the largest malpractice insurers won't reveal how many cases they know about; and (c) a large majority of cases that medical doctors see are not reported in scientific journals."
The whole Victim Reports and Other Personal Experiences section is just people bitching because they believed in crazy or had terrible doctors.
"The chiropractor showed me my x-ray and told me my vertebrae were twisted and I had 3 or 4 subluxations."
"The chiropractor used the Activator tool."
"...how he could straighten it and cure my MS..."
Find a back pain specialist, a masseuse with said specialty, or a physical therapist. Chiropractic is one of the biggest scams perpetrated on the American populace, and I am urging you, as someone who knows doctors, knows physical therapists, knows doctors who deal with their own back pain and how they handle it, and as someone who is working on becoming a physician (specifically, a type of neurologist, so this is highly relevant to my interests) himself, to please not buy into that crap.
Of course, it's your body, and I'm not actually a doctor yet. So if you actually feel comfortable letting some dude with the equivalent of a diploma-mill certification in bone-popping play with one of the most important structures in your body, be my guest.
EDIT: It appears a chiropractic subluxation is something else entirely. Still, do not go to chiropractors.
It CANNOT do anything else. It doesn't fix a problem.
Think of it like this: when you take aspirin, you alleviate pain. You don't cure anything, you just feel better. That's what chiropractic does.
A conspiracy only requires more than one person to agree to commit some act. The Lincoln assassination, for example, was an actual conspiracy. Watergate was an actual conspiracy. The Mafia was/is an actual conspiracy (BTW, many people didn't believe in the Mafia's existence until RICO-type prosecutions began in the 70s. What is RICO? A federal statute designed for the prosecution of CONSPIRACIES).
I'm a little afraid that people who easily adopt certain views will, after hearing all the demonization of crazy conspiracy theories, decide that any thing called a conspiracy must be crazy, and therefore decide that historical, factual conspiracies like the ones above are somehow fictitious. So, is Pete crazy?