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  • I only believe what horrible songs from beneath the waves tell me.
  • EDIT: AND FUCK OFF WITH THE ELLIPSES IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THEM.
    Get fucked in the face, Nine. So he's not as non-native speaker with your gift for foreign tongues. Cut him a goddamn break; he's already said once on here that he's working on improving his English.
    I only believe what horrible songs from beneath the waves tell me.
    I only pray to be eaten first.
  • Get fucked in the face, Nine. So he's not as non-native speaker with your gift for foreign tongues. Cut him a goddamn break; he's already said once on here that he's working on improving his English.
    Periods are pretty fucking universal. A period denotes the end of a line, a capital letter the start of a line or name (and some exceptions). This is the first shit you learn. Overusing ellipses like that just indicates stupidity OR APATHY TOWARDS IMPROVING. And I wish I had a gift for foreign tongues, if I did I wouldn't have done so fucking mediocre on over half my language classes.
  • Get fucked in the face, Nine. So he's not as non-native speaker with your gift for foreign tongues. Cut him a goddamn break; he's already said once on here that he's working on improving his English.
    Periods are pretty fucking universal. A period denotes the end of a line, a capital letter the start of a line or name (and some exceptions). This is the first shit you learn.
    Well, obviously, in a class setting. But you're making assumptions as to how he learned English.
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    Well, obviously, in a class setting. But you're making assumptions as to how he learned English.
    Not just in a class setting. Just reading a single fucking paragraph in a language already demonstrates how fucking frequent ellipses appears compared to periods (or equivalents). You'd have to be really fucking dense to not realize that you are likely using them wrong when there are more ellipses in your post than periods. The same goes for inserting fucking newlines after every sentence, or posting 5 times in as many minutes on a forum. The only place where you come across that way of writing is fucking chat rooms and instant messengers. Every other piece of text you'll come across consists out of paragraphs of lines starting with a capital letter and ending with a period. WITH THE RARE ELLIPSIS HERE AND THERE.
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  • I don't understand a self professed "agnostic." If you don't know whether or not a god exists and have no evidence either way, the null hypothesis would be that there probably isn't a god. You don't have to agree with arguments against god or evidence against he/she/it/thou/thine. If there isn't positive proof, the contrary is more likely. The negative doesn't have to do a thing. The difference between a god that leaves no conclusive evidence of his existence or has no observable effect on the universe and a nonexistent one is meaningless.

    The real reason to call oneself agnostic is social acceptance. Most theist are unsure themselves, and receive agnostics much more openly than atheists whom they perceive to be hardliners. The truth is no one knows, but the evidence isn't in favor of a traditional god. Maybe you could scrape by as a deist or a pantheist, but really those positions are damn close to atheism.
  • I don't understand a self professed "agnostic." If you don't know whether or not a god exists and have no evidence either way, the null hypothesis would be that there probably isn't a god. You don't have to agree with arguments against god or evidence against he/she/it/thou/thine. If there isn't positive proof, the contrary is more likely. The negative doesn't have to do a thing. The difference between a god that leaves no conclusive evidence of his existence or has no observable effect on the universe and a nonexistent one is meaningless.

    The real reason to call oneself agnostic is social acceptance. Most theist are unsure themselves, and receive agnostics much more openly than atheists whom they perceive to be hardliners. The truth is no one knows, but the evidence isn't in favor of a traditional god. Maybe you could scrape by as a deist or a pantheist, but really those positions are damn close to atheism.
    You can't prove that I don't have flying purple unicorns. It doesn't stop it from being utterly silly, but it's the same with god. Maybe there is a god that we haven't been able to detect yet, who knows what crazy revelations will arrive. However, it's pretty damn safe to say that it's silly, thus agnostic athiesm.
  • In the final analysis: Who gives a fuck? Be humanistic in all endeavors.
  • I myself don't understand the concept of generalizing your beliefs into categorizes. If one believes in god then they live by the standards of their set religion. but if someone doesn't believe in a higher being or have a predetermined path then they are left by themselves. they have nothing but there own beliefs and standards to live off of. So i consider myself a believer in life as a whole.
  • In the final analysis: Who gives a fuck? Be humanistic in all endeavors.
    A-yup.
    I myself don't understand the concept of generalizing your beliefs into categorizes.
    How so? It's quite easy to categorize. Either you believe in whateverthefuck (like Joe's unicorns) or you don't. Such is quite a binary thing, like life or death. Either you're alive, or you're dead.
  • everything you know and understand is due to the fact that someone else found or discovered the idea or concept before you ever conceptualized it. so instead of believing or not believing, its more of a agree or disagree. I feel that life would be better if people found there own beliefs and found a way to sustained that without agreeing or disagreeing with someone else.
  • everything you know and understand is due to the fact that someone else found or discovered the idea or concept before you ever conceptualized it. so instead of believing or not believing, its more of a agree or disagree. I feel that life would be better if people found there own beliefs and found a way to sustained that without agreeing or disagreeing with someone else.
    wat
  • Is that supposed to be a reply to me beebzz? Because if so... what?
  • Here is an analogy:

    Suppose I have a 1000-sided die. However, instead of the numbers 1-1000, there are 999 1's and one 1000. I roll the die behind a shield, so you can't see it.

    Do you know what the result of the roll is? If you had to bet, would you bet it is a one or a thousand?
  • Devil's advocate: If the 999 1s got me nothing, win or lose, but the one 1000 got me a billion dollars if I won, nothing if I lost, then I'd bet on the 1000.
  • edited September 2010
    Devil's advocate: If the 999 1s got me nothing, win or lose, but the one 1000 got me a billion dollars if I won, nothing if I lost, then I'd bet on the 1000.
    I think, in this analogy, it fits to say that the odds of being rewarded for either one are pretty much equal. If there is some metaphysical being pulling the strings of the universe I'm not going to pretend to know how it's mind works.
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  • Devil's advocate: If the 999 1s got me nothing, win or lose, but the one 1000 got me a billion dollars if I won, nothing if I lost, then I'd bet on the 1000.
    0-loss bet. I don't see how it's related to the topic, unless you're trying some Pascal's wager shit, in which case, Atheist's wager and how do you know that that's the right d1000?
  • Devil's advocate: If the 999 1s got me nothing, win or lose, but the one 1000 got me a billion dollars if I won, nothing if I lost, then I'd bet on the 1000.
    0-loss bet. I don't see how it's related to the topic, unless you're trying some Pascal's wager shit, in which case, Atheist's wager and how do you know that that's the right d1000?
    Maybe the right religion is one that existed long ago but was changed by humans, or died out when a certain tribe died. We don't know. Pascal's Wager is a really shitty wager.
  • If a robot develops self awareness, will it be agnostic?
  • edited September 2010
    If a robot develops self awareness, will it be agnostic?
    I'm not going to commit to an answer either way.
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  • Everyone knows all robots go to silicon heaven. If there was no silicon heaven, where would all the calculators go?
  • No because to them we(being the people who created the robot)would be it's god.
  • "...FUCK OFF WITH THE ELLIPSES IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THEM."
    "Overusing ellipses like that just indicates stupidity OR APATHY TOWARDS IMPROVING."
    You are right, I wasn't using the ellipsis right. Even in Portuguese it would be wrong. It's a very bad habit, I will improve that.
    Let me just ask you, wasn't you reaction a little too harsh? How about some nice advise before the FUCK OFF?
    Cut him a goddamn break; he's already said once on here that he's working on improving his English.
    Thanks man for the nice words. :]
    Been nice to other people, that is a very good habit we should all work on. In that I believe!
  • Let me just ask you, wasn't you reaction a little too harsh?
    That's just how Nine operates.
  • edited September 2010
    Nine doesn't so much flame as he incinerates with hydrogen bombs from orbit.
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  • Nine is sweet, in his own way. He might be beating you to death with a wiffle bat, but the wiffle bat has a very important lesson you should learn written on it, which he is reading to you as he sends you to your grave.
  • edited September 2010
    He's really a softy. A butter-hating, salty-licorice-eating, foul-tempered, European softy.
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  • He must be a nice guy, since you all have appreciation for him. A nice harsh guy.
  • He must be a nice guy, since you all have appreciation for him. A nice harsh guy.
    He can be a bastard, but he's our bastard.
  • It's a very bad habit, I will improve that.
    Very good to hear. I'd rather you didn't need a kicking.
    Let me just ask you, wasn't you reaction a little too harsh? How about some nice advise before the FUCK OFF?
    No, I ignored it at first because I was aware that you, like me, do no speak or write English natively. But then you just went overboard with it, so I told you to fuck off with that unnecessary shit. Would you'd rather read the line: "If you don't know how to use ellipses, fuck off with them."?
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