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Egypt in Crisis

edited January 2011 in Politics
Figured I'd pop the tread up since it's bound to be a point of conversation. Here's some important things to note:
- Protests in Egypt have been going on for days, often turning violent due to police brutality and fierce crackdowns on the protesters.
- Egyptian officials just slammed the gates on effectively all of their internet.
- Anonymous has taken note, though if they'll actually be able to do anything of note is yet to be seen.
- It was sparked, among other things, by Tunisia's current uprising against their negligent government.
- Yemenis also heating up now.

Most of the protests seem to be against long-term heads of the countries, some in power for as long as 30 years, and also sparked by low wages, rising cost of living, and government imposed restrictions on any number of activities.
Al Jazeera has some really interesting, accurate, in-depth stories about what's going on, as long as their stores do not involve Europe, the US, or Isreael/Palestine.
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  • There is evidence that these protests are unprecedented by any previous period of discontent in Egypt. They are a distributed movement with no leader or concrete common cause beyond the fall of the regime and increased political freedom.

    Foreign policy experts see today's protests as a breaking point. To quote that article, the general populace of Egypt has "broken the barrier of fear." Protests are widespread geographically, and the general popular sentiment is with them (as opposed to the failed Green revolution in Iran last year, where the protests were concentrated among urban youths).

    Much of what is happening now in the Middle East is very reminiscent of the mass uprisings of the 1800s in Europe and the anti-Soviet movements in the USSR as the union collapsed. Time will tell, but these current movements are quite possibly an historic sea change in the whole of the region.

  • In Cairo, security forces were making a desperate stand today, but protesters were determined to press on. As the protesters from Mustafa Mahmoud mosque made their way through toward the Qasr el-Nil bridge that leads to Tahrir Square, there were people standing on their balconies waving to the people, waving flags, giving them thumbs up. The protesters down below were shouting, “Come down, come down and join us.”

    When they reached the bridge, they were confronted by riot police and armed personnel carriers as they massed to cross the bridge. They repeatedly surged forward, trying to break the police cordon, and then retreated amid billowing clouds of tear gas only to surge again.

    One demonstrator held aloft a sign that read "Game over." It was written, like other signs, in English. Why? Protesters responded, “We want these words to reach the West.”
  • So what are the Egyptians mad about, exactly?
  • It's possible that if this revolution (if you can call it that) succeeds, it will set a dangerous precedent for the rest of the Muslim governments in the Middle East. We could very well see a domino effect in which the Muslim Theocracies gain increasing pressure from the populace.
  • It's possible that if this revolution (if you can call it that) succeeds, it will set a dangerous precedent for the rest of the Muslim governments in the Middle East. We could very well see a domino effect in which the Muslim Theocracies gain increasing pressure from the populace.
    But that's the thing. Egypt isn't exactly a theocracy like Saudi Arabia or Iran. It's muslim, to be sure, but not full on. You've goth both the muslim brotherhood and the secular people both protesting the current regime. There is some infighting between the two now, but they are temporarily united. That battle will come front and center if/when they topple the current government.
  • Also, the fact that Tunisia, Yemen and Egypt are almost unilaterally angry at an authoritarian government which is constantly encroaching on their freedom makes it seem unlikely that a religious-based authoritarian leader would suddenly become acceptable. The unrest also does not seem to be religious in nature, but more secular in their goals. For example, the Egyptians don't seem to want to throw out their current government because they want a very religious one, they just want the current guy and his allies gone.
  • Also, the fact that Tunisia, Yemen and Egypt are almost unilaterally angry at an authoritarian government which is constantly encroaching on their freedom makes it seem unlikely that a religious-based authoritarian leader would suddenly become acceptable. The unrest also does not seem to be religious in nature, but more secular in their goals. For example, the Egyptians don't seem to want to throw out their current government because they want a very religious one, they just want the current guy and his allies gone.
    Many people want him out, but many for different reasons. There is a not insignificant group who wants him out because he isn't muslim enough.
  • Wasn't that what happened in Iran before the current leadership?
  • edited January 2011
    Wasn't that what happened in Iran before the current leadership?
    No. What happened was the US fucked everything up by putting a greedy incompetent jack-off in charge. Also why Iran hates us so goddamn much.
    If I remember correctly, in the lead up the revolutionaries had a big "my religious dick is bigger than yours" contest and started oppressing/murdering/ousting people immediately after the thing succeeded.
    Post edited by GreatTeacherMacRoss on
  • One of the reasons they cut off all internet access:
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  • No. What happened was the US fucked everything up by putting a greedy incompetent jack-off in charge. Also why Iran hates us so goddamn much.
    If I remember correctly, in the lead up the revolutionaries had a big "my religious dick is bigger than yours" contest and started oppressing/murdering/ousting people immediately after the thing succeeded.
    I wasn't aware the history of Iran was so simplistic and profanity laden.
  • No. What happened was the US fucked everything up by putting a greedy incompetent jack-off in charge. Also why Iran hates us so goddamn much.
    If I remember correctly, in the lead up the revolutionaries had a big "my religious dick is bigger than yours" contest and started oppressing/murdering/ousting people immediately after the thing succeeded.
    I wasn't aware the history of Iran was so simplistic and profanity laden.
    Far less simplistic, but I guarantee there was a ton of profanity.
  • In case you haven't found these on your ow news feeds:
    Al Jazeera is live casting the Egyptian revolution.
    And reporter from the inside commenting. I think he works for the guardian, if that matters to you.
    My thoughts are that this is likely a good thing (in the long run) for each of the countries, but in particular Egypt changing leaders has problems as it is one of the least anti-west of the area.
  • While Egypt is less anti-west than others, that may or may not change if the revolution succeeds. Iran had lots of anti-US sentiment because they thought (justifiably) that we were part of the problem. That's why the US government was relatively quiet during the Green movement. They don't want to get involved and make the same mistake again. Lack of US involvement in the government and in the revolt will likely end with the relationship unchanged, but I can only hope.
    Also, Cerfews have been declared and the army is out in force now.
  • This is going to be an interesting week.
  • So what are the Egyptians mad about, exactly?
    Wikipedia has a decent explanation about the reasons for the protests.
    2011 Egyptian protests
  • Joe Lieberman, aka Fucknut McShithead, wants to have an off switch for U.S. access to the Internet. Apparently he's... inspired?... by Egypt's clear awesome leadership.
  • Didn't they also cut off cell phone service or something?
  • Joe Lieberman, aka Fucknut McShithead,wants to have an off switch for U.S. access to the Internet. Apparently he's... inspired?... by Egypt's clear awesome leadership.
    Dear Leiberman,
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  • Shit's going down. You should all be watching.
  • RymRym
    edited January 2011
    The military has been seen running police cars off the road and escorting the protesters.

    A mob of protesters and military appears to have surrounded several museums to protect them from the escalating violence. The military also appears to have allowed the protesters access to government buildings.

    The government appears to be on the verge of collapse, and the the White House is preparing a live briefing.
    Post edited by Rym on
  • Shit's going down. You should all be watching.
    We said that about Iran too.

    Oh god. I've become my father.
  • RymRym
    edited January 2011
    We said that about Iran too.
    The Iranians didn't get the military on their side, and didn't take over the cities.
    Post edited by Rym on
  • The military has sided with protesters, that's good and bad. They could just turn around and make it a military dictatorship at the last second with the top general(s) as the new leaders.
  • I also don't recall the Iranian protesters burning a government office building. Crazy times.
  • The military has sided with protesters, that's good and bad. They could just turn around and make it a military dictatorship at the last second with the top general(s) as the new leaders.
    This is often the course of revolutions.
  • The US basically just said it supports the protesters.
  • These questions and answers are a bit painful to watch. I've heard so many "uhhh..umms..".

    I wish they would be upfront and say, "Right now the President is doing something that we don't want to tell you and until something happens, we might let you know."
  • One thing I realised is that if people in Egypt had played more GTA, they would have realised that, instead of tipping over vans once you capture it, you drive it into another van or into a place where you can use it to block the street.
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