No stupid flying wangs. Nancy sings for witches. Nobody sees Fred working. No saving free walruses. Nobody sucks funky wang. Night sounds frighten werewolves.
I've met many women that are obsessed with and in love with Japanese culture. Yet the Japanese, as a culture, are pretty much complete assholes to women. If these women actually went over there, I think they'd be in for a surprise (and I don't necessarily mean by bukake sharking or tentacle rape). Yeah. The Japanese culture is certainly beyond my grasp.
GOSH WOW, THANKS FOR TELLING ME. I guess I'll get my girly hands over to Facebook and hit "unlike" on Japan's wall now.
I love moe anime. I sick and tired of people talking crap about it, like you're so cool. If you only like snarky female leads who outwit the dullard men then go watch Everybody Loves Raymond. If you cant understand a female character as anything other than a walking boob job then The Jersey Shore might be for you.
I love moe anime. I sick and tired of people talking crap about it, like you're so cool. If you only like snarky female leads who outwit the dullard men then go watch Everybody Loves Raymond. If you cant understand a female character as anything other than a walking boob job then The Jersey Shore might be for you.
Go on, then. Describe for us what makes moe so great. I defy you to adequately justify it.
I love moe anime. I sick and tired of people talking crap about it, like you're so cool. If you only like snarky female leads who outwit the dullard men then go watch Everybody Loves Raymond. If you cant understand a female character as anything other than a walking boob job then The Jersey Shore might be for you.
Go on, then. Describe for us what makes moe so great. I defy you to adequately justify it.
I would also like to hear this, but in another thread.
The reason I object to moe is that it is so pandering. In the days before the internet, there was little way to find out what the most popular character of an anime series was and what the fan's favorite traits were. I find it very interesting that the rise of moe was simultaneous with the rise of the internet, and I would argue that the two are related. Minmei from Macross was by far the most popular girl character for years. However, even though the creators knew that she was a popular character, they didn't know the elements that made her popular i.e. her girlishness and subservience to Hikaru. The advent of the first true moe character, in my opinion, was Rei from Evangelion. Even though she was meant to be creepy rather than attractive, people were drawn to her as a prototypical version of the young, attractive damaged girl that it was their duty to protect. Since then, creators have noted Rei's popularity. It is no surprise that the boom in visual novels, from which many moe anime draw heavy influence if not straight-up adapt, started just two years after Evangelion ended. Even Gianex stopped making anime during that time to focus on it's massively popular Princess Maker visual novel series.
Nowadays, moe shows seem to all follow this forumula. Get girls. Design girls to look cute. Have them do cute things. Profit. I'm not saying they're all bad (I love Haruhi, and several yuri shows draw from these archetypes) but I think the emphasis on design rather than character or plot encourages lazy storytelling and characters.
I predict this conversation to remind of that argument the forum had with that one guy who defended his love for young boy hentai. I forget his name nor can I think of the easiest way to find that thread.
Just read what y'all are talking about on wikipedia, at least the front matter where it says moe is a combination meaning of budding, burning, and young (as a bit of a pun).
I predict this conversation to remind of that argument the forum had with that one guy who defended his love for young boy hentai. I forget his name nor can I think of the easiest way to find that thread.
Lol at the concept of "adequately justifying" enjoyment of a creative work. First define art for me, then devise a way to give my subjective experience flawless transference to your brain. This is why so many arguments about shows devolve into debates about animation quality, or whether or not the fan service is too conspicuous. Who cares. I don't bother to worry about the definition of "moe" but lately it seems that the anime I watch falls into that category. I just like shows that entertain, and I'm more entertained nowadays by characterization and interaction than I am by Titty-chan and her giant Freudian-phallus bot defeating the dark forces of the Evil Literary Foil Brigade. I'll give it a shot, though.
K-on is probably the clearest example of a moe anime I watch. Its easy to like the characters, they deal with normal, real life problems that I can identify with, they have fun, they interact, they grow and they change. Its easy to believe that they could be real people. Its a show about being friends. The heartwarming tale of a high school music club. To rule it out because it has fan service (name an anime that doesn't) or because the characters have endearing foibles (oh yes only unlikeable characters please) or because they are cute (unattractive people are known for their prominent portrayal in television) is idiotic. Its geared for emotional entertainment, not visceral, and if you want to watch something visceral you're watching the wrong show. I'm not; it does what it sets out to do well.
Lucky Star is another, and I have no idea how that became cited so often as moe. Its more like Seinfeld, if Seinfeld were about otaku tropes and starred 4 teenage girls. Any moe characteristics are done more as a self-aware parody than anything else. Its also hilarious, which is the reason I watched all of it. Its barely even about anything. If you've been a longtime anime fan you owe it to yourself to watch it, it mocks so many of the goofy things you always made fun of with your friends.
Thinking about it I've always liked this kind of anime, even back in its crude form, in harem shows like Tenchi and Love Hina. I don't understand why people lash out against it so much. Maybe they just don't like when its blatant, but if that's your problem then maybe you should reconsider what you expect from a television show. There is a difference between trying so hard to make your characters endearing that you forget to do anything else, and a show with endearing characters that has a plot. I also think the term is tossed around too liberally and with too negative a connotation. I'm done typing now.
Since "May 30th 2007". My advice to you, go out. Experience the sights and sounds of the rest of the internet. You've been holed up long enough on this forum. That shit's just unhealthy, not to mention the smell from using the same account/avatar/anything for such an extended period of time...
devise a way to give my subjective experience flawless transference to your brain
Use English. Your turn.
(name an anime that doesn't)
Doraemon? Shin-chan maybe? CHI'S SWEET HOME! It's about a kitten, you sick fuck. I don't care how many cats are fine, it's a kitten! A KITTEN!
I also think the term is tossed around too liberally and with too negative a connotation.
Speaking from experience, this is the internet, it wouldn't be the first time slang would be used to describe everything and their grandmother's sexual escapades.
I predict this conversation to remind of that argument the forum had with that one guy who defended his love for young boy hentai. I forget his name nor can I think of the easiest way to find that thread.
I'll just say this: young boy hentai is rooted deeper culturally than any other form of artistic expression from Japan.
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Though I still can't get over the idea that tan and freckles aren't hot to Japanese people. Lies and slander!!
Nowadays, moe shows seem to all follow this forumula. Get girls. Design girls to look cute. Have them do cute things. Profit. I'm not saying they're all bad (I love Haruhi, and several yuri shows draw from these archetypes) but I think the emphasis on design rather than character or plot encourages lazy storytelling and characters.
Moe as I imagine 4chan would describe it:
Man that was almost 4 years ago too. So much time has passed, and I'm still here.
Here's kinda a scary thought. We're the old guard now, outside of the actual FRC members.
((Holy shit, *I* posted in that thread. How long have I even been here, compared to everyone who came before me?))
K-on is probably the clearest example of a moe anime I watch. Its easy to like the characters, they deal with normal, real life problems that I can identify with, they have fun, they interact, they grow and they change. Its easy to believe that they could be real people. Its a show about being friends. The heartwarming tale of a high school music club. To rule it out because it has fan service (name an anime that doesn't) or because the characters have endearing foibles (oh yes only unlikeable characters please) or because they are cute (unattractive people are known for their prominent portrayal in television) is idiotic. Its geared for emotional entertainment, not visceral, and if you want to watch something visceral you're watching the wrong show. I'm not; it does what it sets out to do well.
Lucky Star is another, and I have no idea how that became cited so often as moe. Its more like Seinfeld, if Seinfeld were about otaku tropes and starred 4 teenage girls. Any moe characteristics are done more as a self-aware parody than anything else. Its also hilarious, which is the reason I watched all of it. Its barely even about anything. If you've been a longtime anime fan you owe it to yourself to watch it, it mocks so many of the goofy things you always made fun of with your friends.
Thinking about it I've always liked this kind of anime, even back in its crude form, in harem shows like Tenchi and Love Hina. I don't understand why people lash out against it so much. Maybe they just don't like when its blatant, but if that's your problem then maybe you should reconsider what you expect from a television show. There is a difference between trying so hard to make your characters endearing that you forget to do anything else, and a show with endearing characters that has a plot. I also think the term is tossed around too liberally and with too negative a connotation. I'm done typing now.