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And Churbs, what's your beef with the AR-15?
And Churbs, what's your beef with the AR-15?It's a fucking terribly designed rifle, to the point where if you have a stock AR-15, you should be casting your thanks to whatever god you believe in every time it successfully fires.
Really? I thought maybe it was just you didn't like the ammo it used or something. Are the other variants like the M4 Carbine as bad?
I didn't have my heart set on one or anything I'm just surprised its so bad since its the standard issue for the US army. I guess it'll be an AK for me.
What would you guys recommend for a cheap, not shitty, AK clone?
The problems of the direct impingement gas system are balanced by low reciprocating weight that produces less recoil.
The origins of the HK416 began with the realization of the deficiencies of the direct gas impingement (gas tube) operating system found on conventional M4/M16-style weapons. Input from the users of current M4/M16-type arms, high-speed video assessment, and extensive live-fire testing in extreme operational environments such as the U.S. Army Desert Proving Ground in Yuma, Arizona revealed multiple areas for improvement....The HK-proprietary gas system uses a piston driving an operating rod to control the function of the bolt, preventing propellant gases and the associated carbon fouling from entering the weaponÃƒÂ¢Ã‚Â€Ã‚Â™s interior.
H&K; 416 would be my choice in this discussion.
Look, I like the AR. Part of liking the AR is tolerating the gas system. It's not the best idea ever, but at this point it's proven to work well if you take care of it (lubrication is the key to life). The AR is a nice, precision rifle.
I'd never get a non-DI AR. They're fuck all expensive and none of the upper receiver parts are standardized.
Then you are, frankly, mad as a sack of hammers. Sure, you might not get a Non-DI AR, that's fine, but it fouls the breech, greatly accelerates wear and tear, means you have to be real careful with what ammo you run through it, can reduce accuracy, and so on. Frankly, there is a damned good reason that most rifles don't use direct gas impingement - because it's a ridiculously stupid idea, and the few advantages will never outweigh the disadvantages.
Buy one of the many AK style guns. A Daewoo DR-200. A Kel-tec SU-16C. Anything but a gas-piston upper AR.
In that case - Don't buy an AR. At all. Just don't.
If you want a piston operated gun, yes.
That isn't what I said, George. Your attachment to an objectively badly designed rifle is irrelevant to if someone should buy one or not. To eliminate the possibility of buying a design that fixes the enormous problems with the AR-15, you might as well eliminate the possibility of buying one at all.
I mean you could argue all day that it's a terrible battle rifle (and I don't agree, but don't feel much like having the argument), but the AR can still be fun for an enthusiast
You can make it anything from a tactical carbine to a sniper rifle
The ACR (Masada) was so much better before Bushmaster bought it. So expensive
but for price lets say under 3000
but for price lets say under 3000That's a good chunk of change. You can get many things if you're ready to spend that kind of money. AR's and AK's are more along the lines of $1000 guns.
If you pay $1000 for a run of the mill civilian AK clone it had better be able to wash and wax your car and then give you a blowjob afterward because that's WAY too fucking much.