I'd like to see Scott play BF2 or 2142, rather than 3. Mostly cause then I could play with him without being annoyed. 3 has all that modern crap with where you can't aim unless you hit the aim button, you can't stand on choppers or planes, you can't parachute whenever, you can't shoot while you jump, navigate with any sort of speed, and every shot recoils like crazy.
Know a game that used to be fun? Gunz The Duel. Noobs be damned, that game knew it's fanbase, and it did it's darnest to keep them happy. Not only was the skill gap huge between players: Even the good players were far from each other. Sure, a good player could win against a team of noobs. But a elite player could win against a team of good players. A God could win against a team of elite players. And there were people who could win against a team of Gods too.
I'd like to see Scott play BF2 or 2142, rather than 3. Mostly cause then I could play with him without being annoyed. 3 has all that modern crap with where you can't aim unless you hit the aim button, you can't stand on choppers or planes, you can't parachute whenever, you can't shoot while you jump, navigate with any sort of speed, and every shot recoils like crazy.
So, in other words, your aim is terrible unless you actually aim, you can't stand on a vehicle moving 200 miles an hour or that has big whirling blades on it. So, in other words, if you want to do something that's useless and stupid, you have to do something else, like be a bushwookie and sit around the spawn trying to get safe kills. If you're looking for OMG LOL SUPERL33T 360 NOSCOPE LOLOLOLOLOL N00BZ then I guess this isn't the game you're looking for.
Also, I can't actually see any utility in standing on a jet or helo in BF3 while it's flying around - You'd either fall off immediately, or the vehicle wouldn't be able to maneuver much, meaning it would be shot down pretty quick. So, it'd be utterly useless.
You can indeed parachute wherever I don't know where you got that idea, you can shoot while you're jumping, again, I don't know where you got that idea, and yeah, every shot recoils, just like in counterstrike, or BF2, or 2142, but you can cut that down with attachments, and it varies from weapon to weapon. It's also reduced when you're aiming.
Not that I'm going to say the unlock system isn't bullshit, though, and I certainly support boosting for that shit. But then again, BF2 had unlocks, in fact, it's the game that popularized them, and 2142 was the game that first introduced the same bullshit unlock system that we see often today.
When he says "Can't shoot while jumping" what that really means is "Can't jump/shoot and hope to hit your target".
When he says "Can't stand on choppers and helicopters", he means "can't stand on helicopters or planes going at full speed and whom are maneuvering without falling off.
When he says "You cannot deploy your parachute at any time" He means your parachute is tied to the jump button, rather then it's own dedicated button, meaning you can only get it out when it prompts you too (which is slightly after the fall becomes lethal).
When he says "The recoil is too damn high!" he means... well, that. Have you seen how much the guns jump every shot?
He's not looking for a dumbed down console game, he's looking for his BF2, which was more like quake then BF3.
You are learning the habits of those particular teammates and opponents that WILL come into play every round until those players leave. Even the greatest champions have habits.
You are learning the habits of those particular teammates and opponents that WILL come into play every round until those players leave. Even the greatest champions have habits.
Miyamoto Musashi's "The Book of Five Rings" is pretty much all about this. It is to tactics what Art of War is to strategy. It's also short as hell so it's an easy read.
When he says "Can't shoot while jumping" what that really means is "Can't jump/shoot and hope to hit your target".
When he says "Can't stand on choppers and helicopters", he means "can't stand on helicopters or planes going at full speed and whom are maneuvering without falling off.
When he says "You cannot deploy your parachute at any time" He means your parachute is tied to the jump button, rather then it's own dedicated button, meaning you can only get it out when it prompts you too (which is slightly after the fall becomes lethal).
When he says "The recoil is too damn high!" he means... well, that. Have you seen how much the guns jump every shot?
He's not looking for a dumbed down console game, he's looking for his BF2, which was more like quake then BF3.
See, now I've played BF2 recently - and by recently, I mean I alt-tabbed out of it to make this post, and it's still running in the background - And let me fill you in on a few little details that I wanted to confirm for myself.
First - The recoil in BF2 is ENORMOUS. If you're not aiming down the sights, you're not hitting shit with anything but a close-range shotgun. Even if you're aiming down the sights, you're not doing a whole hell of a lot better, unless you're either standing dead still, or laying prone - while testing the recoil and spread on one gun just now, I had to actually move to a different location and re-do the tests - because the wall I was looking at, about the size of a shed with two garage doors horizontally, and two storeys tall? Yeah, it wasn't big enough to judge the spread, I had bullets hitting in front of it, going past the sides, tagging the eave of the roof. The barrel of the gun might as well have been one of those comedy bow-ties, spinning around in every direction, while spraying bullets. I'm baffled where you got the idea that you could shoot worth shit when you're not aiming. Using the same gun, on the same building in BF3, the spread was still wide when not prone and aiming down the sights, but at least all the shots actually hit the building.
As for the guns jumping - Yeah, the gun model really does jump more in BF3 than in BF2. In BF2, the reticule just spreads out really wide, and your shots are all over the place like a madwoman's shit, but the gun model doesn't jump about nearly as much as in the sequel. Half a point for being technically correct, but in a pointless fashion - the shot recoil in BF3 is less when not aiming, and the gun model matches the recoil present, unlike BF2, where only the reticule matches the recoil(unless you're scoped up on a sniper rifle).
You can't jump and hope to hit your target in BF2 - You can't shoot while you're jumping, and the only time you can shoot when you're in the air, is when you're parachuting from high enough up. And you're not going to hit much of anything, except by luck.
You can't stand on Helos or planes in BF2 while they're going at full speed and maneuvering, though you can stand on them. They just have to stay pretty much level, or close enough to it that you don't just slide off - so, essentially, they can go forwards, or do really, really long turns that even on a 64 player map, will see you going into the out of bounds area, and probably dying there. So, Half a point - You CAN stand on the choppers and planes a little bit easier, but it's the most fucking useless thing you can do. You can do it, I guess, but after playing BF2 on and off since the day it was released, I'm yet to see anyone actually do it and achieve anything that was worth the time, and after seven years of on-and-off play, I still can't see why you'd want to. One point, which is promptly taken away because it's complaining about something that nobody does and generally, nobody wants to do, because it's fucking stupid.
Parachutes, well, you can't open them whenever you like. You can only open them, surprise surprise, when it allows you, which is right after the fall gets big enough to hurt you. The difference here is that BF2 is actually MORE forgiving than BF3, with less fall damage over the same falling distance(Handy, I can use Strike at Karkand and Sharqiri peninsula to test it out, by jumping from identical structures), much faster parachute deployment(read, instant, once you pass the sufficient fall distance), and no regard for the parachute slowing your fall - BF3, get a parachute out in time, you'll survive, but if you don't have it out long enough, you're gonna hurt. BF2, it's a magical save-my-life sheet stuffed in a backpack.
So, Out of a possible total of five points, you get Half a point. If one were to take points away for incorrect answers, you'd be a negative four and a half. Or, to boil it down to a five second audio clip -
Question - Have you ever actually played BF2, or are you just being contrary and condescending because you're STILL sore about ONE joke you didn't get, something like a week or two weeks ago?
So, Out of a possible total of five points, you get half a point.... Question - Have you ever actually played BF2, or are you just being contrary and condescending because you're STILL sore about ONE joke you didn't get, something like a week or two weeks ago?
Actually, there were 2 half points, making a whole point together.
But no, I haven't played BF2. These are things I have heard and repeated without any fact checking. I shouldn't have posted that because I was clearly wrong and uninformed. I apologize.
Actually, there were 2 half points, making a whole point together.
But no, I haven't played BF2. These are things I have heard and repeated without any fact checking. I shouldn't have posted that because I was clearly wrong and uninformed. I apologize.
That's cool - I don't mean to be too harsh on you, dude, but I used to do exactly what I described, so I just asked straight up. In retrospect, that was kinda mean, so I should apologize. Rest of the post, also being a bit of a dick, but less specifically, though that still isn't at all cool. So again, sorry dude.
I really do encourage you to play BF2, though, it's cheap, and the game holds up surprisingly well. And to be fair, I checked by playing only because I didn't trust my memory of it. It's really weird, at times, and playing it, you can see where a lot of modern FPS stuff came from, and in some places, it's more extreme - Like the spread I was talking about, after I tested it, I was playing around for a while, and there were times I was ten feet away, I'd empty an entire magazine at a dude while aiming down the sights(admittedly, while standing, rather than going prone) and I could see the bullets hitting the ground in front of me at an impossible angle, because the spread was just that bad from standing and firing. It's not the easiest game around, but it's still quite enjoyable, and certainly interesting to examine.
Nope, exactly what I needed. What I did was basically straight up lie. And I feel better now. Sure, I didn't like what you said, but it's true, and you made me a better person.
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Know a game that used to be fun? Gunz The Duel. Noobs be damned, that game knew it's fanbase, and it did it's darnest to keep them happy. Not only was the skill gap huge between players: Even the good players were far from each other. Sure, a good player could win against a team of noobs. But a elite player could win against a team of good players. A God could win against a team of elite players. And there were people who could win against a team of Gods too.
So... are we player Quakelive?
If you're looking for OMG LOL SUPERL33T 360 NOSCOPE LOLOLOLOLOL N00BZ then I guess this isn't the game you're looking for.
Also, I can't actually see any utility in standing on a jet or helo in BF3 while it's flying around - You'd either fall off immediately, or the vehicle wouldn't be able to maneuver much, meaning it would be shot down pretty quick. So, it'd be utterly useless.
You can indeed parachute wherever I don't know where you got that idea, you can shoot while you're jumping, again, I don't know where you got that idea, and yeah, every shot recoils, just like in counterstrike, or BF2, or 2142, but you can cut that down with attachments, and it varies from weapon to weapon. It's also reduced when you're aiming.
Not that I'm going to say the unlock system isn't bullshit, though, and I certainly support boosting for that shit. But then again, BF2 had unlocks, in fact, it's the game that popularized them, and 2142 was the game that first introduced the same bullshit unlock system that we see often today.
When he says "Can't stand on choppers and helicopters", he means "can't stand on helicopters or planes going at full speed and whom are maneuvering without falling off.
When he says "You cannot deploy your parachute at any time" He means your parachute is tied to the jump button, rather then it's own dedicated button, meaning you can only get it out when it prompts you too (which is slightly after the fall becomes lethal).
When he says "The recoil is too damn high!" he means... well, that. Have you seen how much the guns jump every shot?
He's not looking for a dumbed down console game, he's looking for his BF2, which was more like quake then BF3.
First - The recoil in BF2 is ENORMOUS. If you're not aiming down the sights, you're not hitting shit with anything but a close-range shotgun. Even if you're aiming down the sights, you're not doing a whole hell of a lot better, unless you're either standing dead still, or laying prone - while testing the recoil and spread on one gun just now, I had to actually move to a different location and re-do the tests - because the wall I was looking at, about the size of a shed with two garage doors horizontally, and two storeys tall? Yeah, it wasn't big enough to judge the spread, I had bullets hitting in front of it, going past the sides, tagging the eave of the roof. The barrel of the gun might as well have been one of those comedy bow-ties, spinning around in every direction, while spraying bullets. I'm baffled where you got the idea that you could shoot worth shit when you're not aiming. Using the same gun, on the same building in BF3, the spread was still wide when not prone and aiming down the sights, but at least all the shots actually hit the building.
As for the guns jumping - Yeah, the gun model really does jump more in BF3 than in BF2. In BF2, the reticule just spreads out really wide, and your shots are all over the place like a madwoman's shit, but the gun model doesn't jump about nearly as much as in the sequel. Half a point for being technically correct, but in a pointless fashion - the shot recoil in BF3 is less when not aiming, and the gun model matches the recoil present, unlike BF2, where only the reticule matches the recoil(unless you're scoped up on a sniper rifle).
You can't jump and hope to hit your target in BF2 - You can't shoot while you're jumping, and the only time you can shoot when you're in the air, is when you're parachuting from high enough up. And you're not going to hit much of anything, except by luck.
You can't stand on Helos or planes in BF2 while they're going at full speed and maneuvering, though you can stand on them. They just have to stay pretty much level, or close enough to it that you don't just slide off - so, essentially, they can go forwards, or do really, really long turns that even on a 64 player map, will see you going into the out of bounds area, and probably dying there. So, Half a point - You CAN stand on the choppers and planes a little bit easier, but it's the most fucking useless thing you can do. You can do it, I guess, but after playing BF2 on and off since the day it was released, I'm yet to see anyone actually do it and achieve anything that was worth the time, and after seven years of on-and-off play, I still can't see why you'd want to. One point, which is promptly taken away because it's complaining about something that nobody does and generally, nobody wants to do, because it's fucking stupid.
Parachutes, well, you can't open them whenever you like. You can only open them, surprise surprise, when it allows you, which is right after the fall gets big enough to hurt you. The difference here is that BF2 is actually MORE forgiving than BF3, with less fall damage over the same falling distance(Handy, I can use Strike at Karkand and Sharqiri peninsula to test it out, by jumping from identical structures), much faster parachute deployment(read, instant, once you pass the sufficient fall distance), and no regard for the parachute slowing your fall - BF3, get a parachute out in time, you'll survive, but if you don't have it out long enough, you're gonna hurt. BF2, it's a magical save-my-life sheet stuffed in a backpack.
So, Out of a possible total of five points, you get Half a point. If one were to take points away for incorrect answers, you'd be a negative four and a half. Or, to boil it down to a five second audio clip -
Question - Have you ever actually played BF2, or are you just being contrary and condescending because you're STILL sore about ONE joke you didn't get, something like a week or two weeks ago?
But no, I haven't played BF2. These are things I have heard and repeated without any fact checking. I shouldn't have posted that because I was clearly wrong and uninformed. I apologize.
I really do encourage you to play BF2, though, it's cheap, and the game holds up surprisingly well. And to be fair, I checked by playing only because I didn't trust my memory of it. It's really weird, at times, and playing it, you can see where a lot of modern FPS stuff came from, and in some places, it's more extreme - Like the spread I was talking about, after I tested it, I was playing around for a while, and there were times I was ten feet away, I'd empty an entire magazine at a dude while aiming down the sights(admittedly, while standing, rather than going prone) and I could see the bullets hitting the ground in front of me at an impossible angle, because the spread was just that bad from standing and firing. It's not the easiest game around, but it's still quite enjoyable, and certainly interesting to examine.
I think this means we should make out now, right?