Scott, the point was that Hajime no Ippo is also a shonen fighting series. It runs on the same formula and there are also fights which take quite a while and plot developments which take their time to resolve. Yet you made it through all of it despite it being longer than One Piece.
You said yourself that you liked One Piece quite a bit. Yet you don't want to read it because of "time commitment" when you have committed even more time to a different series and other things. Clearly, the problem isn't that you don't want to spend that much time on any one thing. It's something else. I have no clue what it is, but you are missing something great because of it.
WHAT? I can't believe Hajime is longer than One Piece. Sure, it's older, but the artist had lots of time off here and there. One Piece is a non-stop machine. I also skipped a ton of Hajime because I started where the anime ended.
And even though Hajime has some long-ish fights, there is no way they are as long as the One Piece fights. I swear they fought that swordfish guy for 3 volumes. Not chapters, VOLUMES.
Ippo is 102 volumes, 989 chapters (or rounds) One Piece is 69 Volumes, 707 chapters. On the anime side things are different. Ippo has 102 episodes in two series, while One Piece has 539 episodes, not counting movies or ovas on ether.
So yea. Hajime no Ippo is as old as I am and it has the length to show for it.
Ippo is 102 volumes, 989 chapters (or rounds) One Piece is 69 Volumes, 707 chapters. On the anime side things are different. Ippo has 102 episodes in two series, while One Piece has 539 episodes, not counting movies or ovas on ether.
So yea. Hajime no Ippo is as old as I am and it has the length to show for it.
Now I want to research fight length in shonen fighting shows.
Now I want to research fight length in shonen fighting shows.
That's can't be found trivially on wikipedia so you are on your own. Though I started to read One Piece, so I might pay attention to that, if I remember.
My problem with all those long times is commitment, watching anything past 26 eps starts to make me wonder if there is some other great show I should be watching instead and then I drift to either another media (video games or books) and lose track of where I am in the series. But than I'm a pretty bad at commitment, just ask my wife.
Scott, you didn't skip anything from HnI. You watched the anime instead which is pretty much a 1-to-1 adaptation of the manga. The reason that there are more episodes of One Piece is because HnI was adapted into compressed seasons which have defined end points and the storyline of which is already completed. OP on the other hand is very much padded out in its anime adaptation so they can have it run perpetually.
Obviously the HnI approach of anime adaptation is much better, but I am also not asking you to watch the anime series of OP, but to read the manga.
As for fight lengths: Some of the fights in Ippo go quite long. The Fight against Woli/Wally for example starts in chapter 865 (middle volume 90) and ends in chapter 894 (Volume 93). There are other examples as well.
I've also said this before, but Oda has also found a good way to have fights in One Piece while not halting the story: Have the other characters do something beside watching the fight. And the Arlong fight is probably the last big example in One Piece where that is still the case, where Luffy has to fight a guy and the plot doesn't move for a long time.
It's just that I think One Piece, while obviously being a shonen fighting series that puts a lot of things into its fights and action scenes, out of all shonen fighting series it strikes the best balance in having the fights and making them interesting, but not over-committing to them and having other elements like characterization, humor and the quite interesting places and environments they travel to.
It is true that while that incredibly long swordman fight was happening the other characters were doing other things. It's just that those things really didn't get me excited and the volume immediately after that was THE BEST and the plot moved crazy fast.
I still tacitly follow the Naruto, Bleach, and Kenichi mangas. All shounen fighting things. Bleach is the absolute worst about sticking to tropes. The Naruto manga, as opposed to the filler-filled anime, is actually not so bad to me. The author might drag out some fights, but it's never quite the feeling of "nothing happened this issue" that I get with Bleach. Kenichi is much more of a series that's just having fun with the tropes. It's not as "serious" as the other two. It's also half an ecchi manga thing at times, but it will often go a handful of issues without fan service so it's not purely that.
And I think I agree with Rym on length there, though I am slightly more obsessed with fast pacing and couldn't tolerate something like Gasaraki.
I dislike Naruto because it has poor storytelling. The plotlines have become overly predictable, you're expected to root for unlikeable characters, and it takes years for things to happen that you wanted to see. Bleach is just too silly. I agree that One Piece is awesome, and I'm not against reading/watching long things, I just also don't want to devote the time, so I get where Scott is coming from.
SPOILERS: There's no porniness going on in From the New World. People who watch the "My 3rd Cousin Couldn't Be This Naked" type of shows would yawn at the sexual content in this show. Crazy, fucked up, scary psi-violence? Yeah, tons of that.
I don't think any English speakers have read the book, so who knows how porny the original is.
I like Naruto, but dislike it at times because it's a big money-maker, and as a big money-maker, it is full of filler and drawn out episodes. Also, a SEVERE lack of Rock Lee. One Piece all the way, baby!
Also, since you brought up Bodacious Space Pirates, I think that's something a lot of people overlooked; but if you've ever complained that female-led anime or majority female anime is just an excuse for moe/harems/loli/ecchi/merchandising, Space Pirates was just what I'd like to see more of from Japan. It's like anime woke up one day and decided to go cold turkey.
Also, was the "lesbian space anime" you were talking about called Vandread? In my dark days, I bought tapes (the VCR!) of it. Still have them...for some reason that doesn't come to mind. It's time to chuck those.
I watched all of Black Lagoon, it was enjoyable through the whole thing, but it does never go anywhere.
The manga is better for that. It still does that "Quick episode or arc plot, slow overall plot" thing, but it does go a little further, a little faster. The show is meant to be a series of discreet arcs, with extra overarching character development, but what works well for the manga doesn't work for the anime, it's too slow, and makes the show feel like it's going nowhere.
Finally listened this episode to the end. Tried to think any shows I've watched but then dropped and can't actually remember any. I'm pretty sure there's at least some shows like that, but don't remember them. Though I don't watch that much anime and I usually watch stuff that is recommended from trustworthy sources so I tend to avoid the worst crap that's out there.
I am reading the novel of Shin Sekai Yori now, but I am still in the first part (There are three books, maybe corresponding with the three time skips?) This is a novel that won a science fiction prize. The porny-ness of the manga seems to be just fanboy pandering. I have no doubt that if the book contains sex scenes the show doesn't, they will be written fairly well and handled tastefully. The show feels like a fairly close spiritual adaptation of the book.
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You said yourself that you liked One Piece quite a bit. Yet you don't want to read it because of "time commitment" when you have committed even more time to a different series and other things. Clearly, the problem isn't that you don't want to spend that much time on any one thing. It's something else. I have no clue what it is, but you are missing something great because of it.
And even though Hajime has some long-ish fights, there is no way they are as long as the One Piece fights. I swear they fought that swordfish guy for 3 volumes. Not chapters, VOLUMES.
So yea. Hajime no Ippo is as old as I am and it has the length to show for it.
Obviously the HnI approach of anime adaptation is much better, but I am also not asking you to watch the anime series of OP, but to read the manga.
As for fight lengths: Some of the fights in Ippo go quite long. The Fight against Woli/Wally for example starts in chapter 865 (middle volume 90) and ends in chapter 894 (Volume 93). There are other examples as well.
I've also said this before, but Oda has also found a good way to have fights in One Piece while not halting the story: Have the other characters do something beside watching the fight. And the Arlong fight is probably the last big example in One Piece where that is still the case, where Luffy has to fight a guy and the plot doesn't move for a long time.
It's just that I think One Piece, while obviously being a shonen fighting series that puts a lot of things into its fights and action scenes, out of all shonen fighting series it strikes the best balance in having the fights and making them interesting, but not over-committing to them and having other elements like characterization, humor and the quite interesting places and environments they travel to.
And I think I agree with Rym on length there, though I am slightly more obsessed with fast pacing and couldn't tolerate something like Gasaraki.
Bleach is just too silly.
I agree that One Piece is awesome, and I'm not against reading/watching long things, I just also don't want to devote the time, so I get where Scott is coming from.
I don't think any English speakers have read the book, so who knows how porny the original is.
I like Naruto, but dislike it at times because it's a big money-maker, and as a big money-maker, it is full of filler and drawn out episodes. Also, a SEVERE lack of Rock Lee. One Piece all the way, baby!
Also, since you brought up Bodacious Space Pirates, I think that's something a lot of people overlooked; but if you've ever complained that female-led anime or majority female anime is just an excuse for moe/harems/loli/ecchi/merchandising, Space Pirates was just what I'd like to see more of from Japan. It's like anime woke up one day and decided to go cold turkey.
Also, was the "lesbian space anime" you were talking about called Vandread? In my dark days, I bought tapes (the VCR!) of it. Still have them...for some reason that doesn't come to mind. It's time to chuck those.
To go back to the podcast, GREAT sarcasm concerning Black Lagoon. I nearly believed you.
Tried to think any shows I've watched but then dropped and can't actually remember any. I'm pretty sure there's at least some shows like that, but don't remember them.
Though I don't watch that much anime and I usually watch stuff that is recommended from trustworthy sources so I tend to avoid the worst crap that's out there.