58 posts and it's pretty much all guys trying to convince Steve that some people are on really tight budgets. *sigh*
It's not even entirely a budget issue. Even if you're especially well off, I still want your birth control to be free. I want cost not to be a factor in your decision to avail yourself of birth control if you want it. At all. For anybody.
58 posts and it's pretty much all guys trying to convince Steve that some people are on really tight budgets. *sigh*
Funny part is that I never disagreed that some people are on tight budgets and that I agree with Muppet's view that it should be covered. Yet everyone assumed I disagreed because I did not agree with Rym's classification of increased access as blocked access.
58 posts and it's pretty much all guys trying to convince Steve that some people are on really tight budgets. *sigh*
Funny part is that I never disagreed that some people are on tight budgets and that I agree with Muppet's view that it should be covered. Yet everyone assumed I disagreed...
It's more like I'm still bewildered by what your argument is after asking you 4 times to lay it out for me. You seem to not know yourself.
We've just convinced you. Took a bit, but you got it. ;-D
That's the issue. The debate needs to be reframed, because the cultural baggage around this issue is untenable. Pandering to that cultural baggage is not going to fix it.
He thinks both obamacare and universal healthcare are socialism, he thinks it'll make taxes go through the roof and make goods prices triple, he brings up the American Labor Party as if they matter, he misunderstands how currency valuing works and suggests the "real value" of the AUD is 60 cents, he thinks that having a good wage for "low class" workers is nothing to be proud about and if you want to make a lot of money you should get a degree instead.
He doesn't think it's fair that a business owner has to pay someone 20 bucks an hour to flip burgers, and the idea of someone getting 20 dollars an hour to flip burgers when his wife with two degrees only makes 24 is horrible, America is now a socialist country(or maybe he meant Australia is a socialist country, it's hard to tell), he'd rather spend his 80 bucks a month to get insurance as he does, and most Americans would agree with him.
Finally, he points out without a hint of irony that it's okay if Australia wants it that way, but we should stay out and not meddle in the affairs of other nations.
Yes folks, he's a fuckin' idiot. And not only that - This chap in particular is also American, but on top of that, spent at least part of his time in university in an Australian uni(thus taking advantage of our socialist education system) and judging by the other comments, took quite a bit of advantage of our Socialist healthcare while he was here.
I was tweaking you a bit, since your presentation was so inscrutable that people forgiveably and naturally assumed you disagreed with more than you did. :P
$30 copay per physical therapy visit. Fuck...that...shit.
I have a federal government job and everyone assumes I get "great benefits." I have one of the most deluxe health care packages we are offered, and it's still $25 for a primary physician, $35 for any specialist. I also have paid many $75 copays to specialist doctors for my daughter who operate out of hospitals.
It used to be that teachers got the sweet benefits. I know at least for the NJ teachers unions, they had a 100% no-fee policy and paid 1% of their salary or less toward the premiums, but state benefit and pension reform in 2011 has them going on a slowly increasing scale up to a potential max of 11% of their salary in premiums.
1. Nobody in this thread tied gerrymandering to the shutdown until you just did.
2. That article completely dismisses the truly unprecedented degree of gerrymandering being perpetrated in GOP controlled states in recent years, and for that it loses shed loads of credibility.
3. Our entire two party system is corporate sponsored anyway, and it barely matters who's at the wheel except for a very small number of social wedge issues that are as old as your grandparents.
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If the copay is $10 and the medicine costs $100 without insurance how can you call that a block on access and expect to be taken seriously?
We've just convinced you. Took a bit, but you got it. ;-D
That's the issue. The debate needs to be reframed, because the cultural baggage around this issue is untenable. Pandering to that cultural baggage is not going to fix it.
Heaven forfend somebody be so silly as to discuss important and pressing issues of considerable relevance on the internet.
He doesn't think it's fair that a business owner has to pay someone 20 bucks an hour to flip burgers, and the idea of someone getting 20 dollars an hour to flip burgers when his wife with two degrees only makes 24 is horrible, America is now a socialist country(or maybe he meant Australia is a socialist country, it's hard to tell), he'd rather spend his 80 bucks a month to get insurance as he does, and most Americans would agree with him.
Finally, he points out without a hint of irony that it's okay if Australia wants it that way, but we should stay out and not meddle in the affairs of other nations.
Yes folks, he's a fuckin' idiot. And not only that - This chap in particular is also American, but on top of that, spent at least part of his time in university in an Australian uni(thus taking advantage of our socialist education system) and judging by the other comments, took quite a bit of advantage of our Socialist healthcare while he was here.
It used to be that teachers got the sweet benefits. I know at least for the NJ teachers unions, they had a 100% no-fee policy and paid 1% of their salary or less toward the premiums, but state benefit and pension reform in 2011 has them going on a slowly increasing scale up to a potential max of 11% of their salary in premiums.
Also, GOP getting more blame for this one than the last shutdown. http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903624-nbcwsj-poll-shutdown-debate-damages-gop?lite
Captain: We've been gerrymandered!
2. That article completely dismisses the truly unprecedented degree of gerrymandering being perpetrated in GOP controlled states in recent years, and for that it loses shed loads of credibility.