Yeah, that's why I didn't pick up that hundred dollar bill I saw in the street on my way in to work this morning. I just couldn't be bothered.
Bad analogy. Cost of picking up $100, very low. Benefit, very high. Cost of creating and maintaining girlfriend relationship very high, benefit also very high. If getting girlfriends was as simple as picking things off from the ground, I'd have plenty. This is more like if I see a $100 bill under a storm drain. I'll probably just look at it and say wow, but it really isn't worth the effort for me to get down on the ground and try to fish it out. If I stopped, I'd be late for my meeting.
Yeah, that's why I didn't pick up that hundred dollar bill I saw in the street on my way in to work this morning. I just couldn't be bothered.
Bad analogy. Cost of picking up $100, very low. Benefit, very high. Cost of creating and maintaining girlfriend relationship very high, benefit also very high. If getting girlfriends was as simple as picking things off from the ground, I'd have plenty. This is more like if I see a $100 bill under a storm drain. I'll probably just look at it and say wow, but it really isn't worth the effort for me to get down on the ground and try to fish it out. If I stopped, I'd be late for my meeting.
You're looking at it too long term too fast and making it unecessarily complicated. Relationships happen organically. If you wait until you have the time, energy, money, and so forth you think you need so that you can afford a relationship, you'll never be in one.
My analogy works because the cost of picking up the hundred dollars is very low, as is the cost of approaching a girl and asking her out. You admit that the benefits on both sides of the analogy are high. Sounds like a good analogy to me. Getting dates is as simple as picking things off the ground. Relationships grow naturally out of the dates, like Deadly Nightshade grows out of unholy soil.
But Scott, if you know so many awesome geeky girls that like the same stuff as you why do you treat having a girlfriend as a hindrance to your geekiness? You say that there are so many geeky girls (that you know personally) that enjoy doing the geeky things you do so how can having a geeky girlfriend be a bad thing?
If you have a geeky girlfriend with her own Wii and GH3 than you can play the co-op mode!
Cost of creating and maintaining girlfriend relationship very high, benefit also very high.
I thought you said that there are plenty of people that you're compatible with. You argue that if you like to sit around and read manga, there are plenty of women out there who like to do the same thing. If that's the case, then why is it so hard to maintain a relationship? You're really not making any sense here.
I think I pretty much explained it already. I wouldn't mind having a girlfriend, but it's a very low priority right now. There are lots of other things I'd like, such as a Ferrari, but you won't see me doing everything in my power to get one. I want lots of other things a lot more. Those other things take up nearly all of my available resources. I can only do so many things at once, and my personal high priorities take precedence. I would love nothing more than to be able to do absolutely everything I want, but as my resources, especially time, are limited, that's not going to happen. Lower priorities have to wait in line.
I guess other guys out there just ask out whatever girl they see, so meeting women doesn't cost that much. I'm not down with that. Sure, I see lots of attractive females, geek and non-geek, every day. A purely biological attraction is not enough for me to ask them out, or even talk to them. I need to actually get to know someone before I'm going to decide if I want to try to start a relationship with them. Getting to know someone requires time and effort. As meeting women is a low priority for me, all my time and effort is spent elsewhere. Thus, while I know many potential people exist, I ignore them because I'm busy with other things.
Why is it that for me, finding a girlfriend is such a low priority that I hardly even think about it, yet it seems like it's everyone else's life mission to hook me up with somebody? Why don't you just worry about yourselves, and leave me to my own business?
Why is it that for me, finding a girlfriend is such a low priority that I hardly even think about it, yet it seems like it's everyone else's life mission to hook me up with somebody? Why don't you just worry about yourselves, and leave me to my own business?
I think it has something to do with that "other" thread. (Notice how Thaed started both??)
All I can say, Scott, is that you can do everything you are doing now for the rest of your life. You can't be young again. Take that for what it's worth. I'm just glad that I took advantage of my younger years, since I've got PLENTY of time to play boardgames now.
When you are in your 20's you can have sex 20 times a day and feel great.
When you are in your 30's it drops down to once or twice a day with a long break inbetween.
When you hit your 40's and beyond once a week is more than enough to satisfy you.
Your libido will fade before your cognitive abilities do.
Also, raising kids in your 20's is far easier (you have more energy) than raising them in your 30's. Don't forget. Take the age you become a parent and add 18 to it. Do you want to be that old with dependant kids in the house?
Further, if you lived alone would you feel more of a desire to have a woman in your life? Is it that Rym satisfies your companship needs "well enough" that your desire for a woman is low?
My god, we have so many generalizations in this thread it hurts!
I'd just like to say that you'll (anyone in this argument) never be able to win this argument regardless because of one big fact, why would you ever say there would be a time you would not be friends with someone in the future, it's not something you plan for or look forward too (well sometimes ^_^) So if you want to hear Rym or Scott say that there will be a time that they will not be extremely close to say Alex. Your not going to get them to say they ever will, because as a friend of someone you want to believe you'll be friends forever. You may just get that. While it is natural to cycle through friends at different parts of your life, everyone has circles or individual friends that they have known nearly all their lives. Rym and Scott (and the rest of the FRC) want to work together and keep as close as we can. Like family there maybe years that you hardly see each other but you know if it comes down to it you'll be there for one another.
It's just that this debate, is just going to go around in circles because it's unrealistic to ask for friends to say they won't be friends in the future and noone really knows what will happen with a particular group of people.
I hate writing these at work because I have to be all ninja about it.
I do know that in my book, once you're a friend you're always a friend.
My wife is an attorney. She's smarter than me. I'll bet money that she's smarter than you as well.
How are you defining 'smart'? True, she can practice law, but can she write software applications? (to take Scott as example) Can she do quantum physics? Can she explain in detail how natural phenomenon x happens? Can she read, write and speak several languages fluently? Also, do you even know Sangosama? Do you know what she has studied and what she does? A rather stupid argument you make. "My wife's smarter than me, so she must also be smarter than you."
My wife is an attorney. She's smarter than me. I'll bet money that she's smarter than you as well.
How are you defining 'smart'? True, she can practice law, but can she write software applications? (to take Scott as example) Can she do quantum physics? Can she explain in detail how natural phenomenon x happens? Can she read, write and speak several languages fluently? Also, do you even know Sangosama? Do you know what she has studied and what she does? A rather stupid argument you make. "My wife's smarter than me, so she must also be smarter than you."
Can Sangosama do any of the things on your list? Do I care? No.
Here's what she said:
Perhaps the intelligent, geeky women out there have seen the ignorant stereotyping that they would be submitted to and have realized that you aren't worth their time.
She's assuming a lot as well. She's saying that I'm not worth an intelligent woman's time, a rather harsh statement. I rebut it by saying that my wife decided I'm worth her time, and she is very intelligent. That's the argument, not the syllogism you somehow derived.
A rather stupid argument you make. "My wife's smarter than me, so she must also be smarter than you."
That's not what I said. If you'll try reading it again, you'll see that I said, "She's smarter than me. I'll bet she's smarter than you as well.", not "She's smarter than me therefore she's smarter than you."
It's completely plausible that their entire group of friends can survive as it currently is if not better. I've got a similar group of friends, granted not quite as large, we've known each other for the same general amount of time as the FRC has been together. So from the way Rym and Scott discribed things I can clearly see everything working out the way they say it will.
How are you defining 'smart'? True, she can practice law, but can she write software applications? (to take Scott as example) Can she do quantum physics? Can she explain in detail how natural phenomenon x happens? Can she read, write and speak several languages fluently? Also, do you even know Sangosama? Do you know what she has studied and what she does? A rather stupid argument you make. "My wife's smarter than me, so she must also be smarter than you."
Is this the criteria before you can call someone "smart"? I guess MIT and Yale are full of a lot of stupid people.
What the hell kind of argument was this? Are you doubting Hungyjoe's ability to characterize whether or not his wife is smart? Since you don't know either of them, how crazy is that?
Man those guys were really getting on Scott about the girlfriend thing. It's kind of weird.
I don't think its a bad thing at all. Having focus on priorities is an admirable trait. Compared to the chick hungry guys that are usually in my age bracket, it's really cool to hear about a guy like Scott. Doing all those things mentioned in your youth is all well and good but if it's not your way of having fun in your youth why bother. Manga, games and whatever for the win.
Also, raising kids in your 20's is far easier (you have more energy) than raising them in your 30's. Don't forget. Take the age you become a parent and add 18 to it. Do you want to be that old with dependant kids in the house?
Who wants to raise kids in their 20's! The 20's are meant for fun and doing things for your future. Besides, I now know two people in their 20's who are going to be bogged down with a kid any hour now. That will put a major hole in the geekery.
When you are in your 20's you can have sex 20 times a day and feel great.
That's not what I said. If you'll try reading it again, you'll see that I said, "She's smarter than me. I'll bet she's smarter than you as well.", not "She's smarter than methereforeshe's smarter than you."
I read what you said. I then said what it meant imo. Your posts were imo basically "I am older and wiser and smarter than most/all of you!" And as your wive is smarter than you, she must also be smarter than others. Since you are smarter and wiser and older and all that jazz.
Is this the criteria before you can call someone "smart"? I guess MIT and Yale are full of a lot of stupid people.
No, I was asking Hungryjoe how he defines 'smart'. I just gave a few examples on how one could define smart. Of course you could also use the inaccurate moment-blurb called IQ scores... But when did those give definite data about once intelligence?
You're so cute Nineless! </p>
I ish not! *dons the bubble as a crown, but it promptly floats away*
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People can do whatever they want with their lives. Stop trying to force people to view their lives in a certain way.
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Win and truth. Also, only instance of '[/thread]' I've ever seen that actually is thread end worthy, sorry.
That's not what I said. If you'll try reading it again, you'll see that I said, "She's smarter than me. I'll bet she's smarter than you as well.", not "She's smarter than methereforeshe's smarter than you."
I read what you said. I then said what it meant imo. Your posts were imo basically "I am older and wiser and smarter than most/all of you!" And as your wive is smarter than you, she must also be smarter than others. Since you are smarter and wiser and older and all that jazz.
You must have a very touchy "o" then. Try responding to what is actually written. When responding to what you think was written, try to give some cue that you're responding to what was the subtext iyo.
People can do whatever they want with their lives. Stop trying to force people to view their lives in a certain way.
No one's trying to force anything on anyone else. Some people have merely stated their opinion as to what will happen in the future. Why is that such a problem?
Here's my general prediction for anyone's life: A few good things will happen. Many, many more bad things will happen. Everything and everyone you love will die. Finally, you will die alone and afraid.
Smart people listen to others - whether they be young or old. Nobody is trying to force anyone into doing something. People are just offering their opinions. Sorry if the "forum" format isn't agreeable.
The more I think about this thread... the more I suspect Scrym are just like Bert and Ernie. They're happy - and we just don't need to ask what's going on after the show ends. ;-)
Actually, I think it's more like "Chasing Amy." Rym is Ben Affleck and Scott is Jason Lee.
So maybe a change of topic is in order. Who do you consider a friend? Do you consider someone a friend if you haven't talked to them in a while? Stabbed you in the back? or they are separated by many miles? How do you classify friends? Obviously to actually win or have a debate you should define what you are talking about.
No, but some people form closer friendships then others. Some people are natural networkers and find themselves traveling in many circles. Some people don't form close friendships with people or seek to maintain old friendships. It really all depends on the people, how they treat their friends and how their friends treat them. Without knowing how you consider people your friends one could not know if you understand close friendships because some people don't form close bonds with anyone but their significant others, while others seek many friends that they are "close" with. Others readily abandon their past friends in search of new ones. It all depends on the people.
I'd just like to say that you'll (anyone in this argument) never be able to win this argument regardless because of one big fact, why would you ever say there would be a time you would not be friends with someone in the future, it's not something you plan for or look forward too (well sometimes ^_^) So if you want to hear Rym or Scott say that there will be a time that they will not be extremely close to say Alex. Your not going to get them to say they ever will, because as a friend of someone you want to believe you'll be friends forever. You may just get that. While it is natural to cycle through friends at different parts of your life, everyone has circles or individual friends that they have known nearly all their lives. Rym and Scott (and the rest of the FRC) want to work together and keep as close as we can. Like family there maybe years that you hardly see each other but you know if it comes down to it you'll be there for one another.
It's just that this debate, is just going to go around in circles because it's unrealistic to ask for friends to say they won't be friends in the future and noone really knows what will happen with a particular group of people.
I hate writing these at work because I have to be all ninja about it.
I do know that in my book, once you're a friend you're always a friend.
I think a lot of the mix up came from Rym's habit of hyperbolizing everything he says. ^^; It's great for podcasts because it generates discussion, but it makes seeing eye-to-eye on things harder in non-podcast speech...
They probably expected him to acknowledge the risk and then talk about how he plans to try guarding against it, working around it, etc. and were surprised when he sort of treated the chance of failure as if it were an event so improbable that it might as well be impossible.
Not quite sure what hungryjoe and kilarney's deal is with Scott, though. Sheesh. ^^ gonna have to switch the subject from "Everything Else" to "Flamewar".
Why so much concern on Scott's lack of a girl? He's explained his reasons for choosing to not pursue relationships at the moment, and if he just wanted to go out and get laid, I don't doubt that he could succeed with only a moderate amount of effort. His chances are certainly at least double what they might have been had he been his current age and self a couple decades ago... The internet has brought on something of a 2nd Sexual Revolution. ^^;
...come to think about it, a bubble skeleton would be kind of cool... maybe a swimming pool sized fish tank to go scuba diving in? ^^
I think a lot of the mix up came from Rym's habit of hyperbolizing everything he says. ^^; It's great for podcasts because it generates discussion, but it makes seeing eye-to-eye on things harder in non-podcast speech...
They probably expected him to acknowledge the risk and then talk about how he plans to try guarding against it, working around it, etc. and were surprised when he sort of treated the chance of failure as if it were an event so improbable that it might as well be impossible.
Yes. You've stated the expectation very well. Without a plan, the idea sounds a lot like a pregnant seventeen year old telling her parents that she's going to marry the long haired, maggot infested father of her child and they'll live on his income as a stockboy at the Piggily Wiggily until he and his band make their first million. Then when the parents tell her that she'll need a more realistic plan, she screams, "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! YOU'VE NEVER BEEN IN LOVE!"
Not quite sure what hungryjoe and kilarney's deal is with Scott, though. Sheesh. ^^ gonna have to switch the subject from "Everything Else" to "Flamewar".
I don't care a bit about what Scott does or doesn't do. However, I do believe that if he doesn't make full use of his prime shagging years, he'll end up regretting it.
I don't care a bit about what Scott does or doesn't do. However, I do believe that if he doesn't make full use of his prime shagging years, he'll end up regretting it.
I agree. I took advantage of those years very much so until I ended up stationed in California 50 miles from civilization on a base with 10 females on it. Those were hard times...
It was much better when I was stationed in Germany. Beer and woman were the order of every day.
I agree... I don't care what he does. I just don't want to say that he wasn't warned.
Scrym are arrogantly confident in their beliefs. If that's the case, then I can't imagine that a little challenge to those beliefs is so hard for them to deal with.
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In all seriousness, you can read manga for the rest of your life. You can only have youthful indiscretions when you are young. Don't waste it.
My analogy works because the cost of picking up the hundred dollars is very low, as is the cost of approaching a girl and asking her out. You admit that the benefits on both sides of the analogy are high. Sounds like a good analogy to me. Getting dates is as simple as picking things off the ground. Relationships grow naturally out of the dates, like Deadly Nightshade grows out of unholy soil.
If you have a geeky girlfriend with her own Wii and GH3 than you can play the co-op mode!
I guess other guys out there just ask out whatever girl they see, so meeting women doesn't cost that much. I'm not down with that. Sure, I see lots of attractive females, geek and non-geek, every day. A purely biological attraction is not enough for me to ask them out, or even talk to them. I need to actually get to know someone before I'm going to decide if I want to try to start a relationship with them. Getting to know someone requires time and effort. As meeting women is a low priority for me, all my time and effort is spent elsewhere. Thus, while I know many potential people exist, I ignore them because I'm busy with other things.
Why is it that for me, finding a girlfriend is such a low priority that I hardly even think about it, yet it seems like it's everyone else's life mission to hook me up with somebody? Why don't you just worry about yourselves, and leave me to my own business?
All I can say, Scott, is that you can do everything you are doing now for the rest of your life. You can't be young again. Take that for what it's worth. I'm just glad that I took advantage of my younger years, since I've got PLENTY of time to play boardgames now.
When you are in your 30's it drops down to once or twice a day with a long break inbetween.
When you hit your 40's and beyond once a week is more than enough to satisfy you.
Your libido will fade before your cognitive abilities do.
Also, raising kids in your 20's is far easier (you have more energy) than raising them in your 30's. Don't forget. Take the age you become a parent and add 18 to it. Do you want to be that old with dependant kids in the house?
Further, if you lived alone would you feel more of a desire to have a woman in your life? Is it that Rym satisfies your companship needs "well enough" that your desire for a woman is low?
I'd just like to say that you'll (anyone in this argument) never be able to win this argument regardless because of one big fact, why would you ever say there would be a time you would not be friends with someone in the future, it's not something you plan for or look forward too (well sometimes ^_^) So if you want to hear Rym or Scott say that there will be a time that they will not be extremely close to say Alex. Your not going to get them to say they ever will, because as a friend of someone you want to believe you'll be friends forever. You may just get that. While it is natural to cycle through friends at different parts of your life, everyone has circles or individual friends that they have known nearly all their lives. Rym and Scott (and the rest of the FRC) want to work together and keep as close as we can. Like family there maybe years that you hardly see each other but you know if it comes down to it you'll be there for one another.
It's just that this debate, is just going to go around in circles because it's unrealistic to ask for friends to say they won't be friends in the future and noone really knows what will happen with a particular group of people.
I hate writing these at work because I have to be all ninja about it.
I do know that in my book, once you're a friend you're always a friend.
Here's what she said: She's assuming a lot as well. She's saying that I'm not worth an intelligent woman's time, a rather harsh statement. I rebut it by saying that my wife decided I'm worth her time, and she is very intelligent. That's the argument, not the syllogism you somehow derived. That's not what I said. If you'll try reading it again, you'll see that I said, "She's smarter than me. I'll bet she's smarter than you as well.", not "She's smarter than me therefore she's smarter than you."
What the hell kind of argument was this? Are you doubting Hungyjoe's ability to characterize whether or not his wife is smart? Since you don't know either of them, how crazy is that?
I don't think its a bad thing at all. Having focus on priorities is an admirable trait. Compared to the chick hungry guys that are usually in my age bracket, it's really cool to hear about a guy like Scott. Doing all those things mentioned in your youth is all well and good but if it's not your way of having fun in your youth why bother. Manga, games and whatever for the win. Who wants to raise kids in their 20's! The 20's are meant for fun and doing things for your future. Besides, I now know two people in their 20's who are going to be bogged down with a kid any hour now. That will put a major hole in the geekery. Your 20's must've been one big porn then. ^_~ You're so cute Nineless!
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EDIT: Win and truth. Also, only instance of '[/thread]' I've ever seen that actually is thread end worthy, sorry.
Here's my general prediction for anyone's life: A few good things will happen. Many, many more bad things will happen. Everything and everyone you love will die. Finally, you will die alone and afraid.
Now, what's so wrong with that?
The more I think about this thread... the more I suspect Scrym are just like Bert and Ernie. They're happy - and we just don't need to ask what's going on after the show ends. ;-)
Actually, I think it's more like "Chasing Amy." Rym is Ben Affleck and Scott is Jason Lee.
Without knowing how you consider people your friends one could not know if you understand close friendships because some people don't form close bonds with anyone but their significant others, while others seek many friends that they are "close" with. Others readily abandon their past friends in search of new ones. It all depends on the people.
They probably expected him to acknowledge the risk and then talk about how he plans to try guarding against it, working around it, etc. and were surprised when he sort of treated the chance of failure as if it were an event so improbable that it might as well be impossible.
Not quite sure what hungryjoe and kilarney's deal is with Scott, though. Sheesh. ^^ gonna have to switch the subject from "Everything Else" to "Flamewar".
Why so much concern on Scott's lack of a girl? He's explained his reasons for choosing to not pursue relationships at the moment, and if he just wanted to go out and get laid, I don't doubt that he could succeed with only a moderate amount of effort. His chances are certainly at least double what they might have been had he been his current age and self a couple decades ago... The internet has brought on something of a 2nd Sexual Revolution. ^^;
...come to think about it, a bubble skeleton would be kind of cool... maybe a swimming pool sized fish tank to go scuba diving in? ^^
BTW, what's a nubian?
It was much better when I was stationed in Germany. Beer and woman were the order of every day.
Scrym are arrogantly confident in their beliefs. If that's the case, then I can't imagine that a little challenge to those beliefs is so hard for them to deal with.