You came across as a prick, so we treated you like one. Granted, it could have been handled a bit more diplomatically, but...I don't think the FRC forum is one of those "professional" interweb forums anyhow.
But since you aren't coming back to read this, it doesn't matter anyway.
Secondly, I knew even before posting this I would probably get the majority of the board attacking me. It's to be expected, that's why I prefaced with saying it was my OPINION.
Sorry, but if you think that useful critique and opinion are one and the same, you've got another thing coming. Opinions are a dime a dozen; useful critique is valuable.
Note that we did not just deride all of the statements you made. For example, you actually had some points here:
Skype-casting quality is not good, not good at all. Scott sounds like he's in a well and i started zoning out while listening to the couch episode when I decided to just turn it off because I consciously thought to myself "wow this sounds like a bad phone conversation between two tweenagers who never wanna hang up the phone and just keep rambling about shit"
You'll note that on that statement, you got a well-reasoned response from Churba. Personally, I haven't heard the couch episode yet, but I suspect that, indeed, it would've been a lot of rambling.
This point didn't really get a response:
You guys barely play video games. You may dabble in them, but the content of you newer video game podcasts is pretty thin. You should talk about more games or have someone on that plays more games to discuss them. Nearly every game podcast just talks about Natural Selection and Team Fortress 2. Hardly anyone plays those games, because they are old. ( I get this though, I play an old mmo not many play and it would be boring if all I talked about was this one game ) Pretty much the video game podcast has turned into 10 minutes on how you're not going to buy this new game, then say how much new games suck now, and then you talk about TF2 and NS.
You're wrong on a couple of key issues here. Primarily, you're completely wrong on "you guys barely play video games". Just because they spend their time mostly on a couple of games they prefer doesn't make them "barely gamers".
I have played DDO on and off since release and it's not a bad game.
Ultimately, this is the problem. Rym and Scott aren't happy with "not a bad game", they only want ones that, at least to them, are among the very best.
However, on the topic of anime (which is what you've been "attacked" about), you stated an opinion which could be best described as willful ignorance. You make general statements about what all anime is like when you've just told us you've barely watched any. Other posters have already given you some good analogies on this issue, so I'll refrain from adding another to the pile, but you must realise that there is a huge variety of anime out there, and you'd have to watch a lot of anime before you could reasonably make generalisations like yours.
I could give 3 shits if you like it or not, you're bothering to judge someone on their made up retarded forum name, heh.
Judge you on your name? If you think people were seriously mulling over your name, slap some sense into yourself. Your name was merely a potential source of amusement.
Let's see how fired up that makes you considering you got offended by my critique of a few items in a podcast.
Offended? I doubt anyone here is. In order to be potentially offensive, you'd first have to show that you're worth taking seriously. For now, the best you can hope for is that we would be amused.
heh, i think i may even stop listening to this podcast if all their "fans" act like this
this doesn't make sense to me, for two reasons: 1)How does perceiving the fans of a podcast as assholes have ANY effect the podcast? 2)What's with the inverted commas around "Fans"? He's the one who doesn't like the show, not us, wouldn't that make Him the "Fan"?
10 minutes on how you're not going to buy this new game, then say how much new games suck now, and then you talk about [Tribes 2] and NS.
Yep, that actually sums up Scrym's views on modern videogames quite nicely.
As for the rest of your posts, we've seen the same stuff before. Either you'll stay here and learn how to have an interesting conversation, or you'll leave. We welcome you with open arms, but we won't be hindered in the slightest by your departure.
The OP stated his opinion on a largely subjective matter. Debating this matter is pretty much a waste of time. He doesn't like certain things, and that's fine. Different strokes for different folks.
As for anime, I find that 95% of anime I watched I did not enjoy. This was entirely subjective. No doubt there is good anime out there that I would enjoy. But with such a high failure rate, it was not worth the investment. Time is a commodity that I have precious little of. Again, this is entirely subjective. It may be "wrong" for you, but fortunately we don't live in a world where our tastes are homogenous.
As for the podcast, I haven't listened in ages. I didn't even know the guys lives separately until it was mentioned in the forum a couple of months ago. Is the energy of the podcast different now that they are not in the same room?
Scrym have vowed that time and distance won't diminish the FRC. We all know my position on that, but I admire their tenacity.
The OP stated his opinion on a largely subjective matter. Debating this matter is pretty much a waste of time. He doesn't like certain things, and that's fine. Different strokes for different folks.
Yeap, we agree on this. He mentioned twice that this was his opinion and the internet in general (and written communication) always comes off harsher then the person usually was attempting...
Also I agree 95% with DDO, I haven't played in a couple of years but when I did back when it was released I didn't have any trouble with control at all. My problem was the lack of people actually playing the game (and all my friends played WoW). At this point though I'm not sure what the game looks like but at least back around launch it wasn't UNPLAYABLE. It just wasn't as good as World of warcraft as a MMO and who knows why DDO didn't go with the Forgotten Realms campaign setting.
Scrym have vowed that time and distance won't diminish the FRC. We all know my position on that, but I admire their tenacity.
We're living separately in the sense that Scott moved into the city before I did. My swank new apartment is in a luxury highrise three subway stops from Scott, and a short trip on the G from another enclave of the crew. We're basically on Skype Hiatus until the new year, whereupon I'll have a studio again.
As for the rest of the crew, with the exception of the Albany group, we're actually closer to more of the crew now than we were in Beacon distance-wise.
The best part is, I won't need a greenscreen if we move to a video talkshow: I've got a real Manhattan backdrop now. ^_~
My biggest issue is that you guys go in with such specific wants out of a game and - lets face it - a lot of bias, and you don't seem to play any of the games for very long (and sometimes not at all).
You could easily state why you don't like a game, but then recommend it for people that like certain types of games. You both get "high and mighty" about people enjoying certain games that you don't. While you may have valid reasons for disliking something, that doesn't mean that others don't have equally valid reasons for liking it.
I feel exactly the same way as Kate. You dismiss a majority of games as grinding, or repetitive. But what about someone who enjoys those things? You make it sound as though liking those things is inferior or stupid, therefore making the listener, if they like those things, feel inferior and stupid. We listen because we want to hear your opinion, not because we want to be told your opinion is law.
I feel exactly the same way as Kate. You dismiss a majority of games as grinding, or repetitive. But what about someone who enjoys those things? You make it sound as though liking those things is inferior or stupid, therefore making the listener, if they like those things, feel inferior and stupid. We listen because we want to hear your opinion, not because we want to be told your opinion is law.
Uh oh. I feel a World of Warcraft argument coming on. Run for your lives!
you don't seem to play any of the games for very long
Skilled gamers can drill down to the core of a game pretty rapidly. You don't need to play Ra more than once to understand that it's just a slot machine. Once you understand the wholeness of what a game is at its core, it's very difficult to continue to enjoy said game unless this knowledge does not provide a perfect play strategy.
If I don't understand a game and have not mastered it, then I must continue to play until I achieve understanding or mastery. If I don't understand a game and have mastered it, then I must continue to play until I understand how I have mastered it. If I understand a game and have not mastered it, I will only continue playing if what remains to be mastered is stimulating (dexterity, for example) or worthwhile independent of the understanding. For example, if I learn how to win at Mario Kart DS (snaking), but mastery of this is unpleasant and unstimulating (snaking), then I have no reason to continue playing.
If I understand a game and have mastered it, then there is no reason to ever play again except to teach or to prove my mastery.
Very rarely will understanding of a game be delayed beyond a short amount of initial play, except in cases where investment in a bad or understood part of the game is required in order to access other, better content (which itself is the GaoGaiGar situation, hardly optimal). In fact, a game I could not understand is intriguing until I do so. But, once understood, unless the game has more to offer beyond understanding, there is no reason to ever play it again.
I understand WoW. I have chosen not to master it. I understand Advance Wars, and have continued to work toward total mastery. I understand CounterStrike, but I have not mastered it due to the high skill cap. I understand HoN, but again choose not to master it. I do not understand T&E; fully, and continue to work toward mastery as a test of my intelligence.
Was his original post really that offensive? Sure, I didn't agree with most of it but this forum can be pretty harsh. I've been to less intelligent forums where people were a bit more welcoming and a bit less "Oh hai, welcome to the internetz".
No, our forumites are just getting increasingly antagonistic and xenophobic when new people come in. Scott and I have been debating for a while how to discourage it.
Was his original post really that offensive? Sure, I didn't agree with most of it but this forum can be pretty harsh. I've been to less intelligent forums where people were a bit more welcoming and a bit less "Oh hai, welcome to the internetz".
No, our forumites are just getting increasingly antagonistic and xenophobic when new people come in. Scott and I have been debating for a while how to discourage it.
Kind of like the tone you take with any game that isn't optimal by your preset, personal standards?
No, our forumites are just getting increasingly antagonistic and xenophobic when new people come in. Scott and I have been debating for a while how to discourage it.
How about this:
Knock it off, fuckheads. Stop jumping down somebody's throat the moment they get onto the boards. We jump down each other's throats because we're used to each other and are comfortable with it. Don't do that with a new person until they've gotten to know everyone. Fuck. Just stop it.
You could add something like that to the forum rules, or start actively warning people. The problem is easily solved if you correct people through whispers or such.
Kind of like the tone you take with any game that isn't optimal by your preset, personal standards?
Except that we're not reviewing new forum members, nor do we have to play with them. ^_~
But that superior, deriding tone is infectious.
A game has no feelings.
No, but the people that play them do. Have you heard how they go off on people that enjoy things that they do not? saying you don't like something and listing why is completely different than demeaning those that would enjoy it.
So, would you care about the feelings of someone you derided for playing a Japanese pedo-rape game? You're just making a taste judgement. Would you politely accept said persons like of the game? Or would you challenge them to defend it?
I'm ready to defend my opinions, likes, and dislikes, and it speaks very poorly of someone who is unable to do so.
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heh, i think i may even stop listening to this podcast if all their "fans" act like this
You came across as a prick, so we treated you like one. Granted, it could have been handled a bit more diplomatically, but...I don't think the FRC forum is one of those "professional" interweb forums anyhow.
But since you aren't coming back to read this, it doesn't matter anyway.
Edit: You mean first, second, and third post.
Note that we did not just deride all of the statements you made. For example, you actually had some points here:You'll note that on that statement, you got a well-reasoned response from Churba. Personally, I haven't heard the couch episode yet, but I suspect that, indeed, it would've been a lot of rambling.
This point didn't really get a response:You're wrong on a couple of key issues here. Primarily, you're completely wrong on "you guys barely play video games". Just because they spend their time mostly on a couple of games they prefer doesn't make them "barely gamers". Ultimately, this is the problem. Rym and Scott aren't happy with "not a bad game", they only want ones that, at least to them, are among the very best.
However, on the topic of anime (which is what you've been "attacked" about), you stated an opinion which could be best described as willful ignorance. You make general statements about what all anime is like when you've just told us you've barely watched any. Other posters have already given you some good analogies on this issue, so I'll refrain from adding another to the pile, but you must realise that there is a huge variety of anime out there, and you'd have to watch a lot of anime before you could reasonably make generalisations like yours. Judge you on your name? If you think people were seriously mulling over your name, slap some sense into yourself. Your name was merely a potential source of amusement. Offended? I doubt anyone here is. In order to be potentially offensive, you'd first have to show that you're worth taking seriously. For now, the best you can hope for is that we would be amused.
1)How does perceiving the fans of a podcast as assholes have ANY effect the podcast?
2)What's with the inverted commas around "Fans"? He's the one who doesn't like the show, not us, wouldn't that make Him the "Fan"?
As for the rest of your posts, we've seen the same stuff before. Either you'll stay here and learn how to have an interesting conversation, or you'll leave. We welcome you with open arms, but we won't be hindered in the slightest by your departure.
As for anime, I find that 95% of anime I watched I did not enjoy. This was entirely subjective. No doubt there is good anime out there that I would enjoy. But with such a high failure rate, it was not worth the investment. Time is a commodity that I have precious little of. Again, this is entirely subjective. It may be "wrong" for you, but fortunately we don't live in a world where our tastes are homogenous.
As for the podcast, I haven't listened in ages. I didn't even know the guys lives separately until it was mentioned in the forum a couple of months ago. Is the energy of the podcast different now that they are not in the same room?
Scrym have vowed that time and distance won't diminish the FRC. We all know my position on that, but I admire their tenacity.
Also I agree 95% with DDO, I haven't played in a couple of years but when I did back when it was released I didn't have any trouble with control at all. My problem was the lack of people actually playing the game (and all my friends played WoW). At this point though I'm not sure what the game looks like but at least back around launch it wasn't UNPLAYABLE. It just wasn't as good as World of warcraft as a MMO and who knows why DDO didn't go with the Forgotten Realms campaign setting.
We're living separately in the sense that Scott moved into the city before I did. My swank new apartment is in a luxury highrise three subway stops from Scott, and a short trip on the G from another enclave of the crew. We're basically on Skype Hiatus until the new year, whereupon I'll have a studio again.
As for the rest of the crew, with the exception of the Albany group, we're actually closer to more of the crew now than we were in Beacon distance-wise.
The best part is, I won't need a greenscreen if we move to a video talkshow: I've got a real Manhattan backdrop now. ^_~
One thing we plan to do, once we get settled and back on schedule, is to review games we dislike. HoN and Brutal Legend reviews are coming.
You could easily state why you don't like a game, but then recommend it for people that like certain types of games. You both get "high and mighty" about people enjoying certain games that you don't. While you may have valid reasons for disliking something, that doesn't mean that others don't have equally valid reasons for liking it.
If I don't understand a game and have not mastered it, then I must continue to play until I achieve understanding or mastery.
If I don't understand a game and have mastered it, then I must continue to play until I understand how I have mastered it.
If I understand a game and have not mastered it, I will only continue playing if what remains to be mastered is stimulating (dexterity, for example) or worthwhile independent of the understanding. For example, if I learn how to win at Mario Kart DS (snaking), but mastery of this is unpleasant and unstimulating (snaking), then I have no reason to continue playing.
If I understand a game and have mastered it, then there is no reason to ever play again except to teach or to prove my mastery.
Very rarely will understanding of a game be delayed beyond a short amount of initial play, except in cases where investment in a bad or understood part of the game is required in order to access other, better content (which itself is the GaoGaiGar situation, hardly optimal). In fact, a game I could not understand is intriguing until I do so. But, once understood, unless the game has more to offer beyond understanding, there is no reason to ever play it again.
I understand WoW. I have chosen not to master it. I understand Advance Wars, and have continued to work toward total mastery. I understand CounterStrike, but I have not mastered it due to the high skill cap. I understand HoN, but again choose not to master it. I do not understand T&E; fully, and continue to work toward mastery as a test of my intelligence.
Knock it off, fuckheads. Stop jumping down somebody's throat the moment they get onto the boards. We jump down each other's throats because we're used to each other and are comfortable with it. Don't do that with a new person until they've gotten to know everyone. Fuck. Just stop it.
You could add something like that to the forum rules, or start actively warning people. The problem is easily solved if you correct people through whispers or such.
saying you don't like something and listing why is completely different than demeaning those that would enjoy it.
I'm ready to defend my opinions, likes, and dislikes, and it speaks very poorly of someone who is unable to do so.