But they have guns. They can just shoot the people who heckle them.
I was going to say if he's trying to inspire some vigilante justice against them then there's going to be tears from the families of the people shot trying to harm the gun owners. I don't advocate shooting hecklers though.
There's nothing unethical about publishing public information.
I wasn't saying that it was unethical. It's just rude.
That said, disseminating information on who owns guns does leave those people much more open to being targeted for theft. While the information is freely available, the county keeps track of who accesses these records. With the information floating on a website it makes it easy for a theoretical criminal to get the information without fear of being identified as seeking that information out.
Exposing those families to additional risk could be considered unethical.
I'd rather look like a fool for taking a joke seriously than look like an ass for blowing someone off thinking they were joking when they were serious.
edit: and a slightly better argument is now that anyone who just wants to do a B&E will now know which houses to avoid (IE, those who have guns), and therefore the non-gun owners aught to be more upset because THEIR houses are now targets.
That's why I use a punji stake pit. It's under the welcome mat, beside the sign that says "By reading this sign you agree to waive all rights to sue for injuries related to stepping on the welcome mat."
Smuggling, arms dealers, parts modifications or wholesale modification, and in some cases, directly from the manufacturer. Just for a few examples.
I wonder how common it is for people to sell guns they made themselves? I totally expect this to happen if there is a gun ban in the U.S. if it's not happening already. 3D printed gun fires real bullets
I wonder how common it is for people to sell guns they made themselves? I totally expect this to happen if there is a gun ban in the U.S. if it's not happening already. 3D printed gun fires real bullets
It's illegal as all crap to sell a firearm you make yourself, unless you're licensed as a manufacturer. Folks with the resources to make decent firearms tend to have enough resources that they don't need to resort to criminal activity to make money. That, combined with the difficulties in manufacturing a workable firearm, and how easy it is to purchase a firearm, means we don't see all that many homemade guns used in crime.
If professionally manufactured firearms get harder for criminals to get their hands on i would expect to see more of them in use.
In what fucking universe is it easier to rob a gun owner's home than it is to buy an illegal gun.
Where do you think they get the illegal guns to sell?
Smuggling, arms dealers, parts modifications or wholesale modification, and in some cases, directly from the manufacturer. Just for a few examples.
Good point, but guns are still a very popular target for thieves. They are easy to transport, easy to dispose of and offer a high value to weight ratio. If what Skyrim has taught me about burgling is true, that means they would be the first thing to get taken.
Smuggling, arms dealers, parts modifications or wholesale modification, and in some cases, directly from the manufacturer. Just for a few examples.
I wonder how common it is for people to sell guns they made themselves? I totally expect this to happen if there is a gun ban in the U.S. if it's not happening already. 3D printed gun fires real bullets
Right now, not very. Practically unknown, as far as I'm aware, obviously excluding smaller manufacturers or other FFL holders - I assume you don't mean people who are licensed professionals. Though, most of those are simply existing designs with a few custom parts.
The problem with 3d Printed guns at the moment is that the substrate can't handle the stress - it usually cracks or breaks after a few shots, and you still can't print many of the core working parts, most of the 3D printed guns are just 3D printed lowers - with the lower being the part that is legally considered to be a gun.
The reason I want to tackle gun control now is to hold off the inevitable Diamond Age future where anyone can make anything. We eventually have to create a society where access to weapons isn't a danger, but we're far from both of these for now.
Now, if I were a bad person, I'd use these printed guns for particular sorts of crime. Keep a stock of unregulated items. Print regulated items to manufacture one-use guns for specific crimes, which are immediately discarded upon completion of said crime.
The problem with 3d Printed guns at the moment is that the substrate can't handle the stress - it usually cracks or breaks after a few shots, and you still can't print many of the core working parts, most of the 3D printed guns are just 3D printed lowers - with the lower being the part that is legally considered to be a gun.
They don't have to last long, but if they explode after an unknown number of shots I could see people wanting to avoid them. Why can't you print the other parts? Which parts do you mean?
Now, if I were a bad person, I'd use these printed guns for particular sorts of crime. Keep a stock of unregulated items. Print regulated items to manufacture one-use guns for specific crimes, which are immediately discarded upon completion of said crime.
That's what I was thinking. Or every criminal is Derringer Meryl.
That would be a perfect plan, Rym, if the majority of criminals were smart. Fortunately, this isn't the case.
The problem with 3d Printed guns at the moment is that the substrate can't handle the stress - it usually cracks or breaks after a few shots, and you still can't print many of the core working parts, most of the 3D printed guns are just 3D printed lowers - with the lower being the part that is legally considered to be a gun.
They don't have to last long, but if they explode after an unknown number of shots I could see people wanting to avoid them. Why can't you print the other parts? Which parts do you mean?
You can't print a barrel with consumer-grade equipment, substrates and processes, for example, because the pressures involved are simply too high. You wouldn't have printed a gun, you'd have essentially printed a grenade with a very small effective radius. Nor could you print a bolt or bolt carrier, the forces involved are far too high, and a printed firing pin would likely break without actually striking the primer hard enough to set off the round.
Ahh, but barrels alone aren't regulated in the US.
One can acquire more than 90% of the components necessary for a working weapon anonymously, legally, and without any serious regulatory hurdles. Just print the last little bit. ;^)
More to the point, metal printers will eventually exist.
Ahh, but barrels alone aren't regulated in the US.
One can acquire more than 90% of the components necessary for a working weapon anonymously, legally, and without any serious regulatory hurdles. Just print the last little bit. ;^)
More to the point, metal printers will eventually exist.
Yeah, I know that. I could run off barrels on a lathe all day long, if I wanted, and with the correct tools, I could make whole firearms if it pleased me. After all, when we move away from debate about the laws, and into actual manufacture, we're moving into my areas of expertise. And yeah, metal printers will exist in the future, without a doubt. But neither of those things are answering the question that was asked, is all, and answering that question is what I set out to do with that post.
I was mostly thinking about the manufacture of plastic weapons, but it's all interesting. I mostly wanted to consider the alternatives to buying guns or stealing them. That and the concept of people illegally trading 3D models on 4chan or bittorrent is fascinating. It makes me think of Johnny Mnemonic but with a head full of guns.
I was mostly thinking about the manufacture of plastic weapons, but it's all interesting. I mostly wanted to consider the alternatives to buying guns or stealing them. That and the concept of people illegally trading 3D models on 4chan or bittorrent is fascinating. It makes me think of Johnny Mnemonic but with a head full of guns.
Were gonna need much better plastics. As it is, even using state of the art ceramics and polymers we still cant make a working gun without significant metallic components. You might be able to make a one shot zip gun, but we're a long way away from John McClane's Glock 7.
Metal printers do exist; They print a metal containing goo and are then fired in a kiln to make them metal.
It's also not exactly consumer tech just yet. Fun facts - Firearm manufacturers use that type of system for rapid prototyping. The only problem is that it doesn't hold up much longer than the plastics - it's dense, but it's still brittle.
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That said, disseminating information on who owns guns does leave those people much more open to being targeted for theft. While the information is freely available, the county keeps track of who accesses these records. With the information floating on a website it makes it easy for a theoretical criminal to get the information without fear of being identified as seeking that information out.
Exposing those families to additional risk could be considered unethical.
edit: and a slightly better argument is now that anyone who just wants to do a B&E will now know which houses to avoid (IE, those who have guns), and therefore the non-gun owners aught to be more upset because THEIR houses are now targets.
3D printed gun fires real bullets
It's illegal as all crap to sell a firearm you make yourself, unless you're licensed as a manufacturer. Folks with the resources to make decent firearms tend to have enough resources that they don't need to resort to criminal activity to make money. That, combined with the difficulties in manufacturing a workable firearm, and how easy it is to purchase a firearm, means we don't see all that many homemade guns used in crime.
If professionally manufactured firearms get harder for criminals to get their hands on i would expect to see more of them in use.
Good point, but guns are still a very popular target for thieves. They are easy to transport, easy to dispose of and offer a high value to weight ratio. If what Skyrim has taught me about burgling is true, that means they would be the first thing to get taken.
The problem with 3d Printed guns at the moment is that the substrate can't handle the stress - it usually cracks or breaks after a few shots, and you still can't print many of the core working parts, most of the 3D printed guns are just 3D printed lowers - with the lower being the part that is legally considered to be a gun.
Now, if I were a bad person, I'd use these printed guns for particular sorts of crime. Keep a stock of unregulated items. Print regulated items to manufacture one-use guns for specific crimes, which are immediately discarded upon completion of said crime.
One can acquire more than 90% of the components necessary for a working weapon anonymously, legally, and without any serious regulatory hurdles. Just print the last little bit. ;^)
More to the point, metal printers will eventually exist.