That's a false dichotomy. Why not believe in a God who doesn't damn anyone to an eternity in Hell?
Because it makes no goddamn sense, because that would mean there is no sin, because my definition of sin means that God is physically incapable of being around it, and if there is no sin, then I have no reason to believe in God.
No. If you repented your sins after your death, then you would be able to join God and hence no longer stuck in Hell. Sure, there would be Hell (I guess you would say Hell is being away from God), but no-one would have to suffer there forever.
That's a false dichotomy. Why not believe in a God who doesn't damn anyone to an eternity in Hell?
Because it makes no goddamn sense, because that would mean there is no sin, because my definition of sin means that God is physically incapable of being around it, and if there is no sin, then I have no reason to believe in God.
No. If you repented your sins after your death, then you would be able to join God and hence no longer stuck in Hell.
That's a false dichotomy. Why not believe in a God who doesn't damn anyone to an eternity in Hell?
Because it makes no goddamn sense, because that would mean there is no sin, because my definition of sin means that God is physically incapable of being around it, and if there is no sin, then I have no reason to believe in God.
No. If you could be absolved of your sins after your death, then you would be able to join God and hence no longer stuck in Hell.
Arguably.
I'm sorry. But, the alternative of not believing in a God and afterlife is not appealing to me. There's no answer that makes me universally happy, so I'll take the one I've decided on right now.
Would it make you happy if you had a million dollars?
I don't know where you're going with this, and I don't really care, but I'll bite. Yes.
Congratulations you now have a million dollars. Do you believe it?
Yeah, if I do actually have a million dollars, then I believe that I have a million dollars. Still have no idea what you are going to turn this into, have fun.
Yeah, if I do actually have a million dollars, then I believe that I have a million dollars. Still have no idea what you are going to turn this into, have fun.
You could choose to believe you have a million dollars and be very happy, even without actually having the million dollars. So why don't you?
Yeah, if I do actually have a million dollars, then I believe that I have a million dollars. Still have no idea what you are going to turn this into, have fun.
You could choose to believe you have a million dollars and be very happy, even without actually having the million dollars. So why don't you?
Good point. Maybe I'll do that now. Thanks for the advice. Seriously.
Yeah, if I do actually have a million dollars, then I believe that I have a million dollars. Still have no idea what you are going to turn this into, have fun.
You could choose to believe you have a million dollars and be very happy, even without actually having the million dollars. So why don't you?
Good point. Maybe I'll do that now. Thanks for the advice. Seriously.
Ok, so now that you have a million dollars, are you going to buy a Ferrari or maybe a big house? Or pay for college or something?
Yeah, if I do actually have a million dollars, then I believe that I have a million dollars. Still have no idea what you are going to turn this into, have fun.
You could choose to believe you have a million dollars and be very happy, even without actually having the million dollars. So why don't you?
Good point. Maybe I'll do that now. Thanks for the advice. Seriously.
Ok, so now that you have a million dollars, are you going to buy a Ferrari or maybe a big house? Or pay for college or something?
I'm sorry. But, the alternative of not believing in a God and afterlife is not appealing to me.
This is a scary one. It's more appealing to you that almost everyone who ever lived and ever will live will be tortured for all eternity, than it is to believe that when you die, it all just stops?
>74 new posts Fuck that.
Hahaha. If you go get a sandwich and there's 30 new posts when you get back, you know someone brought up religion.
I'm sorry. But, the alternative of not believing in a God and afterlife is not appealing to me.
This is a scary one. It'smore appealing to youthat almost everyone who ever lived and ever will live will betortured for all eternity, than it is to believe that when you die, it all just stops?
Yes, I'd like to believe that the option of forgiveness is available to people, even if they don't take it and are therefore punished.
Yes, I'd like to believe that the option of forgiveness is available to people, even if they don't take it and are therefore punished.
You must admit that it's a lot more available to you, being born and raised a Christian, than it is to people who were born in other cultures, into other religions, who feel exactly the same way about their religions as you do about yours, and who are exactly as resistant to abandoning their beliefs as you are about yours.
Yes, I'd like to believe that the option of forgiveness is available to people, even if they don't take it and are therefore punished.
You must admit that it's a lot more available to you, who was born and raised a Christian, than it is to people who were born in other cultures, into other religions, who feel exactly the same way about their religions as you do about yours, and who are exactly as resistant to abandoning their beliefs as you are about yours.
So, wouldn't it be better to believe that forgiveness could also be available after death? I'd definitely be happier with people being tortured for a finite period of time than for eternity. In fact, I'd be infinitely happier with that idea.
Yes, I'd like to believe that the option of forgiveness is available to people, even if they don't take it and are therefore punished.
You must admit that it's a lot more available to you, who was born and raised a Christian, than it is to people who were born in other cultures, into other religions, who feel exactly the same way about their religions as you do about yours, and who are exactly as resistant to abandoning their beliefs as you are about yours.
So, wouldn't it be more pleasing to believe that forgiveness could also be available after death? I'd definitely be happier with people being tortured for a finite period of time than for eternity. In fact, I'd be infinitely happier with that idea.
Except with the way that sin can make any sense to me, that's not actually possible.
Yes, I'd like to believe that the option of forgiveness is available to people, even if they don't take it and are therefore punished.
You must admit that it's a lot more available to you, who was born and raised a Christian, than it is to people who were born in other cultures, into other religions, who feel exactly the same way about their religions as you do about yours, and who are exactly as resistant to abandoning their beliefs as you are about yours.
So, what I don't understand is, since you seem to be actually choosing your beliefs, rather than coming to them through logic, why do you choose to believe in a God who's so bad?
So, what I don't understand is, since you seem to be actuallychoosingyour beliefs, rather than coming to them through logic, why do you choose to believe in a God who's sobad?
I don't think he's bad, that's what you think. I think some of the outcomes that come from this idea of a God are disappointing, but I personally believe that it's not his fault, and that he's a just God for giving us the opportunity to atone for our sins in some way.
Except with the way that sin can make any sense to me, that's not actually possible.
Could you please explain this?
Not really, actually. Trust me, I'm trying, but it's near impossible to explain. I'm really sorry.
I have some Christian background; I went to an Anglican high school; I have some chance of understanding your explanation.
I will note that if there's something in your beliefs that you can't properly justify to yourself, that's something you need to be very concerned about. If you can justify it to yourself but can't explain that justification to others, that's also something to worry about.
but I personally believe that it's not his fault, and that he's a just God for giving us the opportunity to atone for our sins in some way.
God made the entire universe. He invented the concept of sin. He could have done it any way he wanted to. He chose to do it this way. He tortures billions upon billions of people for eternity because he wants it that way.
That's bad. That's worse than any human that's ever lived.
Is this god you believe in omnipotent? You believe that he is all powerful and can do anything?
So why can't he get rid of sins in Hell? It's not about what he can't do, it's more about what I believe people are unable to do while they are in Hell.
Godmade the entire universe. Heinventedthe concept of sin. He could have done it any way he wanted to. Hechoseto do it this way. He tortures billions upon billions of people for eternity becausehe wants it that way.
That's bad. That's worse than any human that's ever lived.
As I was about to say, if god is ominpotent, then EVERYTHING is his fault, by definition. He can do anything. Therefore, if there is a thing, it is his fault. Even if he didn't do it, he could have stopped it. Therefore, it's still his fault. You are now contradicting yourself.
You have to choose. Either god is not omnipotent or it's his fault. You can't have both. It's one or the other. Which is it?
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I will note that if there's something in your beliefs that you can't properly justify to yourself, that's something you need to be very concerned about. If you can justify it to yourself but can't explain that justification to others, that's also something to worry about.
That's bad. That's worse than any human that's ever lived.
You have to choose. Either god is not omnipotent or it's his fault. You can't have both. It's one or the other. Which is it?