Scott, I'm talking about Tankobons. Shonen Jump proper is a whole different ballgame and directed at a whole different sort of consumer. For example, the avarage japanese salary-man who picked up a copy of Jump and read it on the train to work isn't going to pick up the bound volume of Dragonball.
While Dragonball did further the circulation of Jump more than OP did and thus did better with advertisement, One Piece seems to have outdone it one the collectors and dedicated fan market in higher and faster Tankobon sales.
Of course, SJ itself has a circulation larger than 2 million even now (last numbers I could find were 2007, where it was at 2.7 million), but for bound Volumes 2 million in 4 days is beyond ridiculous.
I think it's just because it wasn't as much of a tankoubon world in the DB days. You had all these people with SJ subscriptions just trying to get to the end of Dragonball. They immediately canceled when it ended. Nowadays rather than continue their SJ, they get the One Piece tankoubon, since that's the only manga they care about.
The thing is, SJ dropped 3 million from the ending of DB. OP just sold 2 million tankoubon. DB still beats OP in popularity level by at least 33%, not counting what tankoubon sales were in 1995.
I'd like to see a breakdown of those late 80s/early 90s sales numbers of SJ separated by newsstand and subscription sales. From what I get, magazine subscriptions aren't actually that popular in japan due to the heavy urbanization. Some high schooler would probably rather pick up his weekly edition of Shonen Jump on his way from school to the next arcade, Karaoke bar or hobby store and read it there or in the train there, rather than having to go home in between. And the salary men I've already mentioned.
Admittedly though, this view is shaped mostly by media consumption from japan, e.g. the kids going from store to store to find a particular issue of a manga magazine in 20th Century Boys.
I've never really questioned that Shonen Jump was more popular during the Dragonball era, but One Piece is outdoing it in the Tankobon sales department. And even without the comparison of Dragonball, 2 million copies of a Tankobon in 4 days is absolutely ridiculous. A better comparison for scale would be with other popular manga of the current day, and One Piece is annihilating them in sales. Last year OP had bigger Tankobon sales than Naruto and Bleach, its closest competitors, combined.
Yeah, subscriptions are definitely low, and they all just buy it on the newsstand. It's so cheap to begin with, and I don't even know if you get a discount for subscribing. Also, if many people subscribed, the dropoff would have been much more gradual as subscriptions ended. The sudden DB dropoff definitely shows that people just stopped buying it that very week.
I really like Sgt. Frog. The Anime is good, too. The dub is worth watching because the voice actors have leeway to make weird noises and make Fist of The North Star references. That may or may not have been in there before. Anyway, weird noises be awesome
Well, Kio Shimoku has a new series called Spotted Flower about an Otaku and his pregnant wife. Read the first chapter of it, and it's rather weird because the wife has mood swings gets horny at times. Not sure what to make of it. It was funny though.
I'm also wondering what that means to the release of the new Genshiken chapters. Two series are tough to manage, even if both are monthly.
Well, Kio Shimoku has a new series called Spotted Flower about an Otaku and his pregnant wife. Read the first chapter of it, and it's rather weird because the wife has mood swings gets horny at times. Not sure what to make of it. It was funny though.
QTF, but the quality of the scanlation is really poor. "I know there are certain porn games like that... But for me something like that is!!!!" Who talks like that?
Well, Kio Shimoku has a new series called Spotted Flower about an Otaku and his pregnant wife. Read the first chapter of it, and it's rather weird because the wife has mood swings gets horny at times. Not sure what to make of it. It was funny though.
QTF, but the quality of the scanlation is really poor. "I know there are certain porn games like that... But for me something like that is!!!!" Who talks like that?
Yeah. My problem with Scanlators is that most of them simply translate what the characters say in japanese into english, rather than change the script so it reads what they would say if they were speaking english to begin with. Your sentence above could be easily translated to "There are people who're into that, but not me." or "Thanks for the offer, but no thanks."
My biggest pet peeve in scanlations is the sentence "It's no good."
Can anyone remember the name of the following manga? Set sometime around the industrial revolution and in France, a girl from Japan gets sent to live in France, stays at a shop that makes metal signs and has to adjust to western culture.
Also, reading the pages after they've been drawn is so mainstream. You've got to be there at the time of drawing to get the true meaning of them.
Yesterday I got Ayako on the mail, today I will read it and there is high probability that Tezuka will blow my mind again </p>
Somebody on twitter posted a page from Ayako. It contained the stangest sex scene I've ever seen in my life. I think it may be one of those "crazy Tezuka" books. I'll probably love it.
@Om"nom"nutia Is this the series you were talking about? Cause, it's getting an anime series.
Reading you is like reading Hot Gimmick all over again, but with less mean characters. Why must you be so addicting?! Also fuck you, ending of volume 5! Leaving me hanging like that. ARGH! >__< It's a good thing Vol 6 comes out next Tuesday.
Five Star Stories is so good. So good so good so good.
Do you have ALL of it? In English?
I wish I had the hard copy English volumes. Some dude has been scanning the official English translations with Omakes and color panels for a while now; I've been reading them.
Anyone with FSS books who want to sell them: I'm game provided the price is reasonable.
Anyone with FSS books who want to sell them: I'm game provided the price is reasonable.
The problem is they were released as a set of all these really thin big expensive books. The company that formed from the ashes of ADV was trying to offload an entire set at some conventions, but they wouldn't lower the price for me. Also, I don't think the entire thing was ever out in English.
Anyone with FSS books who want to sell them: I'm game provided the price is reasonable.
The problem is they were released as a set of all these really thin big expensive books. The company that formed from the ashes of ADV was trying to offload an entire set at some conventions, but they wouldn't lower the price for me. Also, I don't think the entire thing was ever out in English.
If you don't have them, I can get you a link to the site of the guy I got the scans from. He has every English book scanned (they're beautiful), save the most recent two, which have yet to be scanlated (the team may have dropped them). I plan on making them my first project once I know enough moonrunes.
I'll be converting them to Kindle format in the event that I get a Kindle, so unless Kindlers need that shit right now, keep an eye out.
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While Dragonball did further the circulation of Jump more than OP did and thus did better with advertisement, One Piece seems to have outdone it one the collectors and dedicated fan market in higher and faster Tankobon sales.
Of course, SJ itself has a circulation larger than 2 million even now (last numbers I could find were 2007, where it was at 2.7 million), but for bound Volumes 2 million in 4 days is beyond ridiculous.
The thing is, SJ dropped 3 million from the ending of DB. OP just sold 2 million tankoubon. DB still beats OP in popularity level by at least 33%, not counting what tankoubon sales were in 1995.
Admittedly though, this view is shaped mostly by media consumption from japan, e.g. the kids going from store to store to find a particular issue of a manga magazine in 20th Century Boys.
I've never really questioned that Shonen Jump was more popular during the Dragonball era, but One Piece is outdoing it in the Tankobon sales department. And even without the comparison of Dragonball, 2 million copies of a Tankobon in 4 days is absolutely ridiculous. A better comparison for scale would be with other popular manga of the current day, and One Piece is annihilating them in sales. Last year OP had bigger Tankobon sales than Naruto and Bleach, its closest competitors, combined.
And lets not forget about the rocking opening :P
I'm also wondering what that means to the release of the new Genshiken chapters. Two series are tough to manage, even if both are monthly.
My biggest pet peeve in scanlations is the sentence "It's no good."
Set sometime around the industrial revolution and in France, a girl from Japan gets sent to live in France, stays at a shop that makes metal signs and has to adjust to western culture.
Also, reading the pages after they've been drawn is so mainstream. You've got to be there at the time of drawing to get the true meaning of them.
@Om"nom"nutia Is this the series you were talking about? Cause, it's getting an anime series.
Reading you is like reading Hot Gimmick all over again, but with less mean characters. Why must you be so addicting?! Also fuck you, ending of volume 5! Leaving me hanging like that. ARGH! >__< It's a good thing Vol 6 comes out next Tuesday.
Anyone with FSS books who want to sell them: I'm game provided the price is reasonable.
I'll be converting them to Kindle format in the event that I get a Kindle, so unless Kindlers need that shit right now, keep an eye out.