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Firefox 4

AprecheApreche
edited March 2011 in Technology
Now that Firefox 4 is out, I think I'm going back. Anyone else?
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  • CremlianCremlian
    I never left.
  • NeitoNeito
    Back to Firefox (from something else)? Or back to 3.6 (from 4.0)?
  • AprecheApreche
    I never left.
    Firefox 3 was just so slow and breaky compared to Chrome. Also, when Chrome added extensions it caught up to Firefox pretty much immediately. Firefox has this problem where extensions only work in certain versions. So when a new beta comes out, all the extensions will stop working until they update themselves, even if none of the changes would cause them to break. Now that 4 is out, extensions all work again. I don't know if Chrome is faster than FF4 or not, but it doesn't matter. They are both fast enough to be good, and all the necessary extensions work in both. I think Firefox wins just because it has the keyword on bookmark feature that Chrome is probably never going to add.
  • AprecheApreche
    Back to Firefox (from something else)? Or back to 3.6 (from 4.0)?
    Back to Firefox 4 from Chrome.
  • SailSail
    I never left.
  • AndrewAndrew
    edited March 2011
    Meh, I just can't be bothered to switch from Chrome after I left FF.
    Post edited by Andrew on
  • Victor FrostVictor Frost
    I'll admit, it looks pretty hot, but I don't know... I'm pretty heavily invested in the googleverse. Though, being able to have my own sync server is appealing.
  • Dragonmaster LouDragonmaster Lou
    I'm switching back to Firefox 4. I don't know if it's actually as fast or faster than Chrome now, but its speed is close enough that I don't notice a difference. It also gets some bonus points since TiddlyWiki works in FF without having to do strange things like use a small Java applet and a barely documented command line parameter like Chrome requires. It also supports MathML, which Chrome still doesn't support, and which I use (via LaTeX or ASCIIMath to MathML translators) to put mathematical equations on various notes pages.

    Plus, Firebug has been a lifesaver when dealing with the incompetent web programmer my wife has unfortunately been forced to work with.
  • AprecheApreche
    I'll admit, it looks pretty hot, but I don't know... I'm pretty heavily invested in the googleverse. Though, being able to have my own sync server is appealing.
    Yeah. The Chrome sync works better than any sync I've used in the past, but still has flakiness. I'm very interested in running my own sync for reliability and security.
  • George PatchesGeorge Patches
    After getting used to the constant march of progress that is Chrome's release cycle, I could never go back to Firefox's "when we get around it" releases.
  • AprecheApreche
    After getting used to the constant march of progress that is Chrome's release cycle, I could never go back to Firefox's "when we get around it" releases.
    They're changing it to be much faster now.
  • NeoNeo
    I generally don't like to jump on a major update the moment it is publicly available, but within a month or so I will be partaking in the Firefox 4 goodness.
  • AprecheApreche
    I generally don't like to jump on a major update the moment it is publicly available, but within a month or so I will be partaking in the Firefox 4 goodness.
    I never understood this thinking.
  • George PatchesGeorge Patches
    They're changing it to be much faster now.
    I'll believe that when it happens.
    I never understood this thinking.
    Do you always want the buggy release software? Sometimes it's a good idea to what for the next version.
  • Dragonmaster LouDragonmaster Lou
    After getting used to the constant march of progress that is Chrome's release cycle, I could never go back to Firefox's "when we get around it" releases.
    Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with Chrome's release cycle. When's the last time they actually offered anything significant? The only thing I can think of is extensions, which was at least a year ago. At least FF4 is a significant improvement over FF3.
  • magnusrexmagnusrex
    I never stopped using Firefox even though Chrome was a lot better in many ways. Time to try out Firefox 4.
  • Victor FrostVictor Frost
    After getting used to the constant march of progress that is Chrome's release cycle, I could never go back to Firefox's "when we get around it" releases.
    Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with Chrome's release cycle. When's the last time they actually offered anything significant? The only thing I can think of is extensions, which was at least a year ago. At least FF4 is a significant improvement over FF3.
    They've a ton of tiny improvements that make the product better as a whole. Internal PDF handling, internal flash handling, more thorough sync... tons of tiny changes that people may not notice come in, but make a big difference.
  • AprecheApreche
    Do you always want the buggy release software? Sometimes it's a good idea to what for the next version.
    The release software isn't buggy. The betas and nightly builds are the buggy ones. The developers have already done all the waiting for you. When it's released that means you don't need to wait anymore. Actually using nightly builds and such, that is madness if you aren't a developer.
  • Dragonmaster LouDragonmaster Lou
    After getting used to the constant march of progress that is Chrome's release cycle, I could never go back to Firefox's "when we get around it" releases.
    Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with Chrome's release cycle. When's the last time they actually offered anything significant? The only thing I can think of is extensions, which was at least a year ago. At least FF4 is a significant improvement over FF3.
    They've a ton of tiny improvements that make the product better as a whole. Internal PDF handling, internal flash handling, more thorough sync... tons of tiny changes that people may not notice come in, but make a big difference.
    I'll give you the internal PDF and flash handing, although I don't use the sync features (they don't quite work the way I'd want them to). However, it seems like they keep using whole number releases for them instead of just dot number releases. At least FF3 to FF4 looks and feels like a major change, whereas what changed significantly from Chrome 8 to Chrome 9? I don't remember what was the last version of Chrome without the internal PDF reader, but let's just assume it was 7. Internal PDF is worthy of 7.1, but not an 8.0, IMHO, for example.

    Anyway, FF plans to do more frequent incremental changes as well, so it will be interesting to see how it does it.
  • George PatchesGeorge Patches
    The release software isn't buggy. The betas and nightly builds are the buggy ones. The developers have already done all the waiting for you. When it's released that means you don't need to wait anymore. Actually using nightly builds and such, that is madness if you aren't a developer.
    Yeah, they said Android 2.0 was done when I bought in, it so wasn't.
  • JukeBoxJoshJukeBoxJosh
    edited March 2011
    The only reason I'd switch back to Firefox is if I really needed a toolbar. I installed the StumbleUpon extention/toolbar on Chrome and it was gross. Chrome also has extentions that add better functionality to websites a frequent that, as of my knowledge, Firefox doesn't offer.

    I'll try it when I get home, but I doubt I'll ever use it again after the initial test.
    Post edited by JukeBoxJosh on
  • NeoNeo
    I generally don't like to jump on a major update the moment it is publicly available, but within a month or so I will be partaking in the Firefox 4 goodness.
    I never understood this thinking.
    I would rather continue to use a known quantity (performance, bugs, etc..) than upgrade to a new major version at the risk of being lumped in with all the earliest adopters screaming about some major oversight that wasn't tested for - memory leak, incompatibility, performance issue, etc...

    I'm not explaining my thought process very well, but it is along the same lines as to why I don't buy a new video game as soon as it is released. I'll let everyone else deal with the lines (or download wait times), the bevy of early patches that invariably arrive, the sudden need to upgrade computer hardware, etc... while I continue to enjoy the backlog of entertainment that I'll never have enough time for. Then, once things have settled down and a plethora of real-world reviews of the game are available and the game is stable and the price has been cut in half or more then I can confidently purchase and consume the game.

    Now if I was a reviewer or developer and needed to have access to the game or new software version immediately for some compelling reason then I would go for it. But when I have something that works, why rock the boat just to be a day 1 adopter? I do want it eventually, but I also want it to be as polished as possible when I consume it.
  • AprecheApreche
    I would rather continue to use a known quantity (performance, bugs, etc..) than upgrade to a new major version at the risk of being lumped in with all the earliest adopters screaming about some major oversight that wasn't tested for - memory leak, incompatibility, performance issue, etc...
    The point is that all that stuff has already happened. All those issues are worked out in the development stages. They are releasing because all of those problems are over. You're just waiting for no reason other than false perception.
  • George PatchesGeorge Patches
    The point is that all that stuff has already happened. All those issues are worked out in the development stages. They are releasing because all of those problems are over. You're just waiting for no reason other than false perception.
    I think you are jumping onboard under the false perception that everything works properly. Shits happens, and it happens often. I've been burned more often than not with initial release issues.
  • AprecheApreche
    The point is that all that stuff has already happened. All those issues are worked out in the development stages. They are releasing because all of those problems are over. You're just waiting for no reason other than false perception.
    I think you are jumping onboard under the false perception that everything works properly. Shits happens, and it happens often. I've been burned more often than not with initial release issues.
    I've never been burned.
  • George PatchesGeorge Patches
    The point is that all that stuff has already happened. All those issues are worked out in the development stages. They are releasing because all of those problems are over. You're just waiting for no reason other than false perception.
    I think you are jumping onboard under the false perception that everything works properly. Shits happens, and it happens often. I've been burned more often than not with initial release issues.
    I've never been burned.
    You are both fortunate and in the minority.
  • AprecheApreche
    The point is that all that stuff has already happened. All those issues are worked out in the development stages. They are releasing because all of those problems are over. You're just waiting for no reason other than false perception.
    I think you are jumping onboard under the false perception that everything works properly. Shits happens, and it happens often. I've been burned more often than not with initial release issues.
    I've never been burned.
    You are both fortunate and in the minority.
    Minority in that I don't trust shitty software. Also, I update everything immediately all the time, so I have the fewest bugs and security holes to get fucked by.
  • NeoNeo
    I've never been burned.
    I take this approach precisely because I have been burned, repeatedly.
  • AprecheApreche
    What software are you guys using that you have been burned on? The solution is to not use that software at all.
  • George PatchesGeorge Patches
    What software are you guys using that you have been burned on? The solution is to not use that software at all.
    You're an idiot...
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