"We NEED to make millions off of our webcomic property or it's not worth doing."
Meh.
Is that an actual quote or are you just paraphrasing? Sounds like the polar opposite of everything I read which said if their KS project doesn't fund, the company just continues going forward like normal.
"We NEED to make millions off of our webcomic property or it's not worth doing."
Meh.
Is that an actual quote or are you just paraphrasing? Sounds like the polar opposite of everything I read which said if their KS project doesn't fund, the company just continues going forward like normal.
How is that the polar opposite? They're basically saying that if they don't fund through KS, they'll keep ads to get their millions. Either way, millions are not optional. That's what I was saying. That's what they're saying.
"We NEED to make millions off of our webcomic property or it's not worth doing."
Meh.
Is that an actual quote or are you just paraphrasing? Sounds like the polar opposite of everything I read which said if their KS project doesn't fund, the company just continues going forward like normal.
How is that the polar opposite? They're basically saying that if they don't fund through KS, they'll keep ads to get their millions. Either way, millions are not optional. That's what I was saying. That's what they're saying.
They'll keep ads to cover their costs you mean? Yeah, but that only makes sense, does it not? Wouldn't you keep your job if you couldn't kickstart a year's worth of having no job?
They'll keep ads to cover their costs you mean? Yeah, but that only makes sense, does it not? Wouldn't you keep your job if you couldn't kickstart a year's worth of having no job?
Well, I was being snarky and wasn't trying to start yet another debate where we define all of our terms and start from first principles and then hold our breath and turn blue, but I'll elaborate again since it seems to entertain:
What I'm saying is that it seems as though a certain very high level of profitability is mandatory for these guys, which is sort of a mediocre rallying cry for patronage. It doesn't sound like they're merely trying to keep the lights on, but maybe they really have a payroll in the millions. What do I know?
"We NEED to make millions off of our webcomic property or it's not worth doing."
Meh.
I don't think that's exactly what's going on here. I mean they employ like 20 people, plus hosting costs for the comic and all the PATV video, they pay for the production company that does the realty show, Child's Play, 2 PAXs, etc. And yeah they are asking for a lot, but that is what they earn right now from those ads each year.
And apparently Gabe has said that if they go over the remove all ads goal, any additional money would go towards the next year's goal.
Can't watch the video at work, but it seems to me like they've started wandering in two very, very different directions. They just expanded this media business with PATV and PAR, and now suddenly they want to go uber grassroots and distance themselves from the influence of advertisers? If so, they better have some super-big, insanely groundbreaking opinions they've kept bottled inside.
It's pretty cool that they intend to use Creative Commons, though.
What I'm saying is that it seems as though a certain very high level of profitability is mandatory for these guys, which is sort of a mediocre rallying cry for patronage. It doesn't sound like they're merely trying to keep the lights on, but maybe they really have a payroll in the millions. What do I know?
A million per year really isn't very much at all once you're talking about businesses rather than individuals.
What I'm saying is that it seems as though a certain very high level of profitability is mandatory for these guys, which is sort of a mediocre rallying cry for patronage. It doesn't sound like they're merely trying to keep the lights on, but maybe they really have a payroll in the millions. What do I know?
A million per year really isn't very much at all once you're talking about businesses rather than individuals.
Businesses are just groups of individuals, really. Corporate identity isn't important unless you want big-boy investors to pay attention to you. Do they? I don't know.
All I mean is that slapping the word "business" on a thing doesn't automatically make it necessary that you become a millionaire from the effort.
Anyway all I was saying is that their KS portrays things in an odd light if read in a certain way. I'm not making any accusations or assumptions about their intent, their budget, or anything else.
Businesses are just groups of individuals, really. Corporate identity isn't important unless you want big-boy investors to pay attention to you. Do they? I don't know.
Sure; technically, a business can consist of one person. However, the main point is that, for example, $500k divided by ten people is $50k per person.
What I'm saying is that it seems as though a certain very high level of profitability is mandatory for these guys, which is sort of a mediocre rallying cry for patronage. It doesn't sound like they're merely trying to keep the lights on, but maybe they really have a payroll in the millions. What do I know?
The problem with that statement is that at no point do they state that the ads are there to make significant profit, or that the kickstarter would actually be profitable at any point. There's a very real case of high costs, and a million is actually not crazy sounding to me. Not for what they do.
What I'm saying is that it seems as though a certain very high level of profitability is mandatory for these guys, which is sort of a mediocre rallying cry for patronage. It doesn't sound like they're merely trying to keep the lights on, but maybe they really have a payroll in the millions. What do I know?
The problem with that statement is that at no point do they state that the ads are there to make significant profit, or that the kickstarter would actually be profitable at any point. There's a very real case of high costs, and a million is actually not crazy sounding to me. Not for what they do.
Fair enough.
Like I said my comment wasn't wholly in earnest anyway, it was a knee-jerk reaction to a first read of the KS page.
Do you guys deconstruct every single post here or just n00bs? :P
I'm also curious why they keep throwing around that "makes things" comment. Sounds to me like this is the first step to a much bigger, more ambitious idea (a movie/documentary/another video game). So, if that number sounds bloated, they also want some quick income that allows them to survive as well as expand. Into what, however, they won't seem to say...
If I had a bunch of extra money, I'd throw 2k at all the badges. The dev badges are generally expensive, and that's the only reason I don't go to dev, and if you add that all in and give a little leeway for donation + possible cost increases + unlikely possibility of another con... I can handle that math. I just don't have 2k to throw at it.
So, what do people think of the Ouya Videogame Console? Is it another Phantom? Will forcing developers to release demos kill their business model? In the battle of buzzwords, will "openness" conquer "free to play"?
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What I'm saying is that it seems as though a certain very high level of profitability is mandatory for these guys, which is sort of a mediocre rallying cry for patronage. It doesn't sound like they're merely trying to keep the lights on, but maybe they really have a payroll in the millions. What do I know?
It's pretty cool that they intend to use Creative Commons, though.
is a very compelling combo, no doubt.
All I mean is that slapping the word "business" on a thing doesn't automatically make it necessary that you become a millionaire from the effort.
Anyway all I was saying is that their KS portrays things in an odd light if read in a certain way. I'm not making any accusations or assumptions about their intent, their budget, or anything else.
However, the main point is that, for example, $500k divided by ten people is $50k per person.
Like I said my comment wasn't wholly in earnest anyway, it was a knee-jerk reaction to a first read of the KS page.
Do you guys deconstruct every single post here or just n00bs? :P
Interesting.
Wired article for added legitimacy
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