The Anakin trilogy is about an 8 too, but I still say it's a higher 8. It's just nuance, it's hard to explain without picking out specific comparisons.
I'm curious about this, because I believe the prequels fail on so many levels. Flat acting, plodding pacing, terrible sense of tone, and a story that overall lacks any sort of consequences. The prequels just felt like an excuse use new special effects and try to wrap everything together in the shoddiest way possible.
The Jedi council is in dilemma between uncovering the truth about the prophecy of bringing balance to the force and sustaining peace via diplomatic means with a war emerging. The prohpecy doesn't become too relevant till the Sith makes an appearance. Now all of a sudden this special child might be a solution to everything, however even the Jedi don't know. (Who's this far more powerful Jedi that was able to see this far future? [never revealed])
You clearly see Anakin growing more powerful and his conflict between moderating his feelings, and using his feelings to unleash his power for 'good'.
Anakin uses his skills to protect his interests all the way through, which often end in his favour. Proof of his abilities. His capabilities are beyond that of Obi-Wan's, so it's hard for Obi to judge when Anakin is being reckless or showing initiative. Which is what causes tensions between himself and Obi-wan.
You see Anakin growing older, he's going through what any teen would. Wild emotions, rebelling against the authorities, a desire to be heard, sexually frustrated. Obi understands this, but there's the prophecy, there's the Sith, the war. The Jedi council must rely on Anakin to uncover Palpatine's plot. (tense)
There's alot relying on Anakin and Obi's relationship. Anakin often voices his concerns and yet no advice seems to help him, but only make his problem worst, his emotions more uncontrollable until...
The people who die, the power he gains. All serves to show what it means to be on the dark side. That betrayal though...
TL:DR IMO, It's not just a simple story of, attack the bad guy. The consequences of Anakin's struggle between the light/ dark side of the force is what the trilogy pivots on. This is what is told well.
Anakin experiences high and lows, and yet you can see when he's tries to stay in line and when he feels he must 'take charge'/ 'do things his way'. He has his moment of truth where he has to decide. The first time I saw that scene, of course I already knew what he would decide, but it was still pretty tense to watch. (Po' Windu)
By the end, the dark side is all he has left. He concedes, because he know he cannot undo all he's done. *unleashes death cry*
I don't think the acting was flat, just subtle. Most of the characters are important figures who are mostly diplomatic. Emotional expression is out of place for the most part. They emote when they're not in a meeting and speaking on a more personal level.
The costume designs were on point! The score is pretty sweet. The action is good, there's just not alot of it. I think it's balanced with very contextual dialogue. No scene of dialogue is too long, or includes anything too cheesy to keep your interest in any particular character.
The characters are diverse and each have their own distinct role. The only 'throw-away' character that comes to mind is Padmé's assassin, but that just comes with the territory.
I hear people complain about Jarjar Binks. He's no worse than any of the other annoying side characters in any of the other films. In fact, his famous for being clumsy. And yet, no one speaks about the possibility that he might actually have some abilities with the force. Might explain why his flukes are consistently useful, that might be a cheap explanation, but if you want to start picking at cheap plot devices...
Having watched it again in the lead up to this movie, I found Jar Jar not just tolerable, but occasionally actually funny (his panicked "When will you think we're in trouble?" rant in the submarine, for example.)
Jar Jar isn't as horrendous as I thought he was in my 20s, but on a scale of least to most annoying, he definitely tops the scale.
I thought it was a pretty big strain on credibility when he was active in the Senate.
Anakin was scrrewed up pretty badly, but I disliked Hayden more than the kid. That's like 70% Lucas' fault, though. His direction was horrible throughout the prequels.
Just saw the movie. I felt like I just didn't get some of the tension I was supposed to have, particularly with the freighter scene, but I definitely need to watch the movie again.
Anyways, the X-Wing scenes in the attack on Starkiller Base were almost entirely pointless, and felt like the movie just had the obligation to have X-Wing bits in. They should have been excised with great prejudice.
Yeah, I also felt there was no tension in the Xwing trench run at the end. All of that felt pointless, even if it technically wasn't. I wish, at the end of a movie, the big spaceship doesn't get destroyed from the inside.
yea it would be way more interesting to have a disabled super weapon sitting around and have the first order and resistance have to fight to keep it away from each other.
Well, to be fair it has been 30 years. So in a lot of ways it was a stealth reboot, which I think is fine.
Not really no. A 30 year gap means nothing in the digital era. You're not limited by not having a VHS player to prevent you from seeing the originals.
So what's the real point of reboots/ HD remakes? Why not do something completely fresh? Decreasing the risk of disappointing the 'hardcore' fans while appealing to as much of a new audience.
Even though the media is readily available, it's still not totally unreasonable to initiate newer fans. The media is readily available for SO MUCH. I still haven't seen Gone with the Wind, but I might see a good reboot if it were in the theater and I was in my teens/twenties and looking for a date night flick.
Because people feel really burned by the prequels and it's sort of an apology to fans as much as it's a movie. It all makes sense to me. The reception certainly seems to have validated the choices they made.
Because people feel really burned by the prequels and it's sort of an apology to fans as much as it's a movie. It all makes sense to me. The reception certainly seems to have validated the choices they made.
Have a feeling only grandpa's felt a burn, though I could be wrong.
The film should be good enough to stand up on its own, regardless of the previous films.
Why not just show the original in cinema again? It's not like that isn't done.
There's no real reason why episode 7 couldn't have had more original ideas, especially during the end battle.
George Lucas torpedoed that from his obsessive remastering of the original trilogy for digital improvements and replacements. So that's where you get Greedo shooting first, more out of place aliens crammed into various scenes, Hayden Christiansen appearing at the end of Jedi as a ghost, etc. You can't buy a legitimate copy of unaltered versions of IV, V, and VI. There have also been numerous attempts to bring the movies back to theaters, the last being a catastrophic failure to reshow The Phantom Menace in 3D.
What I believe most people forget about what makes VII original is centered on the best character of the new cast: Finn. He has morality and complexity that was never given to the Stormtroopers before. He's appropriately flawed, but skilled enough in certain aspects to be fantastic new protagonist. He comes from the source of evil, but can't bring himself to kill and is originally motivated to run, but grows by understanding the depth of the situation.
A character like Finn's does not exist in the previous films, nor is his setup a callback to anything else. (Compared to Kylo Ren who is a better executed version of Anakin, Rey's similarities to Luke, Poe's similarities to Han) I imagine that's why people are really loving the acting from VII in particular, because John Boyega and Daisy Ridley could give so much expression and impact to relatively simple characters.
It was more that Finn couldn't bring himself to slaughter innocent people in the village. I never got the impression he was some devout pacifist that wouldn't kill others that wish to do harm.
It was more that Finn couldn't bring himself to slaughter innocent people in the village. I never got the impression he was some devout pacifist that wouldn't kill others that wish to do harm.
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You clearly see Anakin growing more powerful and his conflict between moderating his feelings, and using his feelings to unleash his power for 'good'.
Anakin uses his skills to protect his interests all the way through, which often end in his favour. Proof of his abilities. His capabilities are beyond that of Obi-Wan's, so it's hard for Obi to judge when Anakin is being reckless or showing initiative. Which is what causes tensions between himself and Obi-wan.
You see Anakin growing older, he's going through what any teen would. Wild emotions, rebelling against the authorities, a desire to be heard, sexually frustrated. Obi understands this, but there's the prophecy, there's the Sith, the war. The Jedi council must rely on Anakin to uncover Palpatine's plot. (tense)
There's alot relying on Anakin and Obi's relationship. Anakin often voices his concerns and yet no advice seems to help him, but only make his problem worst, his emotions more uncontrollable until...
The people who die, the power he gains. All serves to show what it means to be on the dark side. That betrayal though...
TL:DR
IMO, It's not just a simple story of, attack the bad guy. The consequences of Anakin's struggle between the light/ dark side of the force is what the trilogy pivots on. This is what is told well.
Anakin experiences high and lows, and yet you can see when he's tries to stay in line and when he feels he must 'take charge'/ 'do things his way'. He has his moment of truth where he has to decide. The first time I saw that scene, of course I already knew what he would decide, but it was still pretty tense to watch. (Po' Windu)
By the end, the dark side is all he has left. He concedes, because he know he cannot undo all he's done. *unleashes death cry*
I don't think the acting was flat, just subtle. Most of the characters are important figures who are mostly diplomatic. Emotional expression is out of place for the most part. They emote when they're not in a meeting and speaking on a more personal level.
The costume designs were on point! The score is pretty sweet. The action is good, there's just not alot of it. I think it's balanced with very contextual dialogue. No scene of dialogue is too long, or includes anything too cheesy to keep your interest in any particular character.
The characters are diverse and each have their own distinct role. The only 'throw-away' character that comes to mind is Padmé's assassin, but that just comes with the territory.
I hear people complain about Jarjar Binks. He's no worse than any of the other annoying side characters in any of the other films. In fact, his famous for being clumsy. And yet, no one speaks about the possibility that he might actually have some abilities with the force. Might explain why his flukes are consistently useful, that might be a cheap explanation, but if you want to start picking at cheap plot devices...
Kid Anakin, on the other hand...
I thought it was a pretty big strain on credibility when he was active in the Senate.
Anakin was scrrewed up pretty badly, but I disliked Hayden more than the kid. That's like 70% Lucas' fault, though. His direction was horrible throughout the prequels.
Anyways, the X-Wing scenes in the attack on Starkiller Base were almost entirely pointless, and felt like the movie just had the obligation to have X-Wing bits in. They should have been excised with great prejudice.
that's because there was supposed to be a ground fight and not a trench run
So what's the real point of reboots/ HD remakes? Why not do something completely fresh? Decreasing the risk of disappointing the 'hardcore' fans while appealing to as much of a new audience.
I get why they'd do it. I'm not mad.
Why not just show the original in cinema again? It's not like that isn't done.
There's no real reason why episode 7 couldn't have had more original ideas, especially during the end battle.
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What I believe most people forget about what makes VII original is centered on the best character of the new cast: Finn. He has morality and complexity that was never given to the Stormtroopers before. He's appropriately flawed, but skilled enough in certain aspects to be fantastic new protagonist. He comes from the source of evil, but can't bring himself to kill and is originally motivated to run, but grows by understanding the depth of the situation.
A character like Finn's does not exist in the previous films, nor is his setup a callback to anything else. (Compared to Kylo Ren who is a better executed version of Anakin, Rey's similarities to Luke, Poe's similarities to Han) I imagine that's why people are really loving the acting from VII in particular, because John Boyega and Daisy Ridley could give so much expression and impact to relatively simple characters.
He was compelled to 'do the right thing'. This was his whole motive the start of the movie.