"I think you're misunderstanding the perceived problem here Mr. President. No one is saying you broke any laws, we're just saying it's a little bit weird that you didn't have to." -Jon Oliver
According to Snowden he has info on lots of people in the CIA and NSA that are out on the field, I'm starting to wonder if he isn't going to reveal who they are and screw them over.
According to Snowden he has info on lots of people in the CIA and NSA that are out on the field, I'm starting to wonder if he isn't going to reveal who they are and screw them over.
Nah, the NSA will leak that information through Snowden's communication channels, thus pinning it on him and turning public opinion against him. This will shift the attention away from the NSA, and nothing will come of it; they will then be free to continue spying on us.
Because, y'know, the government really cares about what I post to Reddit.
International politics aside, I enjoy how prosaic any statement becomes in a Twitter feed, even when it's posted by the Russian chief of foreign affairs. Especially when it's posted by the Russian chief of foreign affairs.
Actually, in some ways, I feel better than the NSA has the inroads to access vast swaths of Internet traffic. At least someone in the government is trying to keep pace with technology.
I'd rather the US be open in its spying, and I'd rather courts had more interaction.
I'd also rather we release the information from said spying in a more timely fashion once we've acted on it.
In the long run, I'd like our spying programs to be more transparent, and to use that as leverage against other nations via information warfare rather than killing warfare.
Regime is acting evil, and, say Russia is helping them? Russian diplomats had better hope their porn habits aren't newsworthy.
Basically, if we cleaned up our own act to the point that transparency in policy (even if not in operational details) wasn't a liability to us, then forcing transparency on other nations would be an extremely powerful tool.
But, as it stands, our laundry is just as dirty as almost everyone else's.
All these spying stories is why I am happy that the internet is not some government owned utility. If the government owned it would we have any protection or privacy on the net?
All these spying stories is why I am happy that the internet is not some government owned utility. If the government owned it would we have any protection or privacy on the net?
You don't have privacy either way. Government ownership being a factor is a canard at best.
Snowden himself is I think the most interesting part of this because he’s a so-called Millennial. His ethics and allegiances are not those of his father or grandfather and certainly not those of the politicians and intelligence leaders he’d love to bring down. So the old rules, old threats, and old reward structures don’t work with this guy, making him even more dangerous.
I think that’s good. In fact I think it’s the system re-regulating itself. We created Edward Snowden by disappointing him so. Our leaders, representing the old culture even as they presented themselves as representing the new, gave him no morally acceptable way to be successful in his own culture. We made him do what he is doing now. And if you think that’s bullshit I suggest you think again because this guy has been very clear about his motivation.
A mighty storm is blowing on Snowden and I don’t think we’ve seen all of it yet.
Google's fighting, at least a bit. Since they're in California, will it go through the 9th circuit? Please say yes please say yes
Supposedly all the companies that the NSA has gone after have been fighting, but they've been restricted to fighting in secret courts that smacked them down and said, "No, you must do as the NSA says."
Snowden may very well be treasonous, but I would hope more people would be willing to do the things he's done, during ANY administration.
There's a fine line sometimes between treason and whistle blowing. Personally, I'd give the benefit of the doubt to anyone whose actions are based on upholding the Constitution of the United States, which is an oath taken by everyone serving in the government or military. Granted, Snowden wasn't working directly for the military, but if he honestly believed what he was doing was related to upholding the Constitution of the United States, then it's purely whistle blowing and not treason. Granted, he's also come off as a bit of a dick in the process, but that's irrelevant to the point at hand.
He comes off as the kind of dick that anyone from our generation does when we confront those in power above us. ;^)
I guess I'm just slightly older enough than you that while I agree with what he did, I don't quite agree with his style. Actually, most of the "dickishness" in my opinion is some of the media grandstanding he's done with all the interviews and stuff. If it were me, I'd probably spend less time doing the interviews and just let whatever documents I dug up speak for themselves, but that's just my own personal style.
Media grandstanding is the most powerful tool he has. It protects him from disappearance or assassination. It also is the only way to generate outrage and interest.
If he lets the documents speak for themselves, almost no one cares.
He knows the moment he slips from the public eye he's a dead man. He's just grasping onto life as long as he can before he gets drone'd.
Were I him, I'd hire somebody to kill me in a very obvious and public way in a crowded street. I'm a dead man walking anyway; I may as well do everything I can to damage the reputation of US intelligence agencies.
Media grandstanding is the most powerful tool he has. It protects him from disappearance or assassination. It also is the only way to generate outrage and interest.
If he lets the documents speak for themselves, almost no one cares.
That's a very good point and I hadn't thought of that. Good thing it's him and not me doing it.
He knows the moment he slips from the public eye he's a dead man. He's just grasping onto life as long as he can before he gets drone'd.
Were I him, I'd hire somebody to kill me in a very obvious and public way in a crowded street. I'm a dead man walking anyway; I may as well do everything I can to damage the reputation of US intelligence agencies.
Yes, but then he'd be dead that much sooner in all likelihood. Also, no one would believe that US intelligence agencies would be that stupid to pull that off anyway.
He knows the moment he slips from the public eye he's a dead man. He's just grasping onto life as long as he can before he gets drone'd.
Were I him, I'd hire somebody to kill me in a very obvious and public way in a crowded street. I'm a dead man walking anyway; I may as well do everything I can to damage the reputation of US intelligence agencies.
I would fake my death to make the US look really bad and then live on a tropical island after some plastic surgery and a fake passport.
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Because, y'know, the government really cares about what I post to Reddit.
I'd also rather we release the information from said spying in a more timely fashion once we've acted on it.
In the long run, I'd like our spying programs to be more transparent, and to use that as leverage against other nations via information warfare rather than killing warfare.
Regime is acting evil, and, say Russia is helping them? Russian diplomats had better hope their porn habits aren't newsworthy.
But, as it stands, our laundry is just as dirty as almost everyone else's.
http://www.cringely.com/2013/06/18/snowden-and-the-nsa-reflect-a-millennial-climate-change/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=snowden-and-the-nsa-reflect-a-millennial-climate-change
If he lets the documents speak for themselves, almost no one cares.
Were I him, I'd hire somebody to kill me in a very obvious and public way in a crowded street. I'm a dead man walking anyway; I may as well do everything I can to damage the reputation of US intelligence agencies.