Well you don't do it. So I imagine it shouldn't be impossible to find other content that doesn't operate that way.
How od you know? I'm friends with half the games industry. We all know eachother. Who's to say whether or not that influences my thoughts on a game?
There's also no evidence that this sort of thing was ever the target of gamergate: it went primarily/exclusively after women mostly on false accusations sprinkled with sexist promiscuity claims.
GamerGate actually did nothing to stop that corruption or impede it in anyway. The CS:GO Scandal was found out by investigative youtubers/journalists and they unearrhy the problem. It is not only "unethical" but breaks laws of Fraud, Racketeering, and Soliciting Minors to Gamble.
You are setting yourself on fire to keep Gamergate warm. What did they do for you? What activism would you actually do to stop your intangible problems about the sanctity of games?
And the solution is to experiment with different outlets and approach everything with a healthy amount of skepticism. If you learn about something from some outlet then do your own research and determine if it's for you. The thing you're describing is only a problem if any given individual takes that endorsement at face value, and if you like something I still don't see why this would be problematic. The CS-Go thing was a much bigger issue because it's rigging as well as illegal gambling. Both things are entirely against US law.
As a counterpoint to what Rubin said, I think the American zeitgeist (especially now) is heavily suspicious of undue influences among authority figures. Not saying it isn't merited, but accusations of corruption and collusion should be thoroughly processed as they can be easy vehicles for bias & discrimination. A good example is the way that anti semitism has often been framed in conspiracy theories revolving around money and media. Or the repeated implication that Sec Clinton is a corrupt liar (in relation to other politicians) when evidence points to the contrary. In the case of GG, there was at best a thin candy coating of ethical concern on a big poop of sexism.
What activism would you actually do to stop your intangible problems about the sanctity of games?
I think there should be a journalist review board for games media. If people want it they'd crowd fund it.
Indulge on that. How many websites/companies? How much money? Would you take charge organizing it or establishing a fundraising system? What's the code of conduct? How do you enforce these rules? What's the punishment?
How od you know? I'm friends with half the games industry. We all know eachother. Who's to say whether or not that influences my thoughts on a game?.
I remember an episode where you talked about meeting the creator of Burning Wheel and playing a couple of games with him. You were transparent about your experience with the creator.
What activism would you actually do to stop your intangible problems about the sanctity of games?
I think there should be a journalist review board for games media. If people want it they'd crowd fund it.
I think there should be a international governing board for the prevention of animal cruelty. I am still a nazi and tacitly support them in their endeavors despite my outrage.
What's interesting was that, to some degree, femfreq IS ethical games journalism (depending of course on your opinion of journalism as a means of public critique). It discusses games with a critical eye without regard for the games popularity or financial backing. It wasn't one of those websites that world savvy people recognize as PR and promotion, more than news. Did it have an angle? Of course it did, it's impossible not to have one.
I'm also outraged by my party, committing this genocide, but I still support them.
Did you ever hold protest signs in front of a concentration camp?
I surely did, and I made sure to also wear my uniform, complete with helmet, boots, and armband so everyone knew this soldier in an oppressive genocide and war machine disagrees with 99% of what we do. I could literally hear the murder happening a few feet behind me, yet I still feel compelled to say, this is about animal cruelty.
Indulge on that. How many websites/companies? How much money? Would you take charge organizing it or establishing a fundraising system? What's the code of conduct? How do you enforce these rules? What's the punishment?
I don't think I could handle it. I'd like it, but I don't have the skills to organize. How would you reform the Police in the US? If you can solve that oil drum of a problem I'm sure someone as lacking as I could solve the thimble of a problem I have.
I'm also outraged by my party, committing this genocide, but I still support them.
Did you ever hold protest signs in front of a concentration camp?
I surely did, and I made sure to also wear my uniform, complete with helmet, boots, and armband so everyone knew this soldier in an oppressive genocide and war machine disagrees with 99% of what we do. I could literally hear the murder happening a few feet behind me, yet I still feel compelled to say, this is about animal cruelty.
Did you hold the protest signs against concentration camps in front of a concentration camp?
What's interesting was that, to some degree, femfreq IS ethical games journalism
I hold a personal bias against John McIntosh because I'm convinced he's off the deep end in terms of his anti-war stance. Spending less on the military is something I'd support. But McIntosh seems to have that Anti-Vietnam mindset of throwing tomatoes at servicemen.
Other than that I don't have anything to say on them unless you want a "Things Anita Sarkisian said that were inaccurate" video.
I still live here, pay taxes, and identify as a Nazi. I hold that sign up in front of Dachau every day.
While I keep doing that every day, people take one look at me and sort of laugh, they know that as long as I'm a nazi it doesn't matter what it says on that sign or what I do. I'm still part of the war machine. I still support the nazis by identifying as a nazi and paying taxes. I even try and convince other people that we're not all bad. Just the disgusting ones behind me, and the ones who support them... wait.
What's interesting was that, to some degree, femfreq IS ethical games journalism
I hold a personal bias against John McIntosh because I'm convinced he's off the deep end in terms of his anti-war stance. Spending less on the military is something I'd support. But McIntosh seems to have that Anti-Vietnam mindset of throwing tomatoes at servicemen.
Other than that I don't have anything to say on them unless you want a "Things Anita Sarkisian said that were inaccurate" video.
Anti-War means Anti-Video Game Criticism? Why does it even matter? Just because they don't like violence doesn't mean they can't say it. Doesn't mean you can criticize either. These days, I know a lot of people who don't care for FemFreq because they are very simplistic, basic Feminism 101 videos. You can still laugh about them but why support something that wanted to thoroughly target and destroy them? Like that bomb threat.
It's just opinion, it doesn't stop anything. If someone bows down to the will of critics or haters...maybe it's the company's fault for being spineless and not having backbone in their own beliefs. (Like how this thread was originally started)
Anti-War means Anti-Video Game Criticism? Why does it even matter?
Its just means anything I say against him is influenced by my personal bias. I wouldn't say he's anti-violence so much as he wants to redirect it to people he doesn't like.
My idiotic role play aside, I actually am not a fan of FemFreq's videos, I find them almost designed to put me to sleep. I've never finished one, too boring.
Anyway, do you see why I can't really take any of your points seriously, even if you had any good ones? GGers are tacitly responsible for all the actions of GG, the vast majority of which are reprehensible. Just like that idiot nazi protesting the concentration camp. He should just not be a nazi anymore. Then he can make his points about animal cruelty.
I don't want to be a Nazi though? I just want people to agree with me that entertainment media has problems. These problems aren't as important as inequality, prejudice, homelessness, or violence. It's important to me because I like games and I want art and fun to be put in front of business. Can we agree on that?
I just want people to agree with me that entertainment media has problems.
1) Why do you care if anyone agrees with you or not? 2) No, you want people to agree that there are specific problems in the entertainment media; problems that you have yet to fully articulate/explain.
Well I'm just annoyed that every talk about problems with games media ends with "You're a sexist, there are no problems." I'd be happier with "There are problems, and their are sexists."
My idiotic role play aside, I actually am not a fan of FemFreq's videos, I find them almost designed to put me to sleep. I've never finished one, too boring.
Yeah, me either. It's a valuable discussion to have, but frankly, very broad-strokes feminsim 101 analysis isn't quite my jam.
Well I'm just annoyed that every talk about problems with games media ends with "You're a sexist, there are no problems." I'd be happier with "There are problems, and their are sexists."
Well, you've come to the right place. Nobody here denies the problems. In fact, some people here are better equipped to identify the problems than most.
The only problem is when those problems aren't really there(in cases like, for example, GG going apeshit about people having a conflict of interest because they donated to a patreon, when that's the literal opposite of how journalistic conflict of interest works), or when it's driven by sexism at it's core(For example, when GG went after one British gaming journo for entering a competition, when there were people guilty of much more serious ethical breaches involved in the same competition - but they only gave a shit about the woman, not the men who were guilty of worse.)
When it comes to GG, the two are often inextricably linked. Separating the two is a very difficult proposition, when so much of one is often driven by the other.
Well I'm just annoyed that every talk about problems with games media ends with "You're a sexist, there are no problems." I'd be happier with "There are problems, and their are sexists."
Most people go "There are problems and there are sexists."
GamerGate goes: "There are problems because feminists have their pockets deep in games journalism to censor video games they don't like that do not fit their anti-violence, SJW ideology. They were never threatened or harassed, just professional victims! It's a corporate conspiracy man, games aren't supposed to be about art, just mindless fun!"
You subconscious defend that ideology by not criticizing them or seeing the flaws in their mindset. Would you rather believe that? Or the fact that people don't actually care all that much about games journalism because they were never bastions of morality.
Most people go "There are problems and there are sexists."
That's what I wanted to hear, have a nice day.
It's a corporate conspiracy man,
To be fair I'm the one of being called a spy. I'm not paranoid. I mean I am paranoid, just not about this. I'm paranoid about other stuff, like ghosts.
You subconscious defend that ideology by not criticizing them or seeing the flaws in their mindset.
I do criticize flaws? Like I used to listen to MundaneMat but he talked some dumb shit so I complained about it then left. I don't let people drop sexism in front of me.
To be fair I'm the one of being called a spy. I'm not paranoid. I mean I am paranoid, just not about this. I'm paranoid about other stuff, like ghosts.
Well, that's perfectly reasonable. I mean, you're a ghost piloting a spooky skeleton wrapped in a meat suit, you're on the inside of the whole thing man!
Well, that's perfectly reasonable. I mean, you're a ghost piloting a spooky skeleton wrapped in a meat suit, you're on the inside of the whole thing man!
New flash: The kind of dishonesty you are talking about has existed in all media for as long as it has existed, and will never not exist. Even outside media. Your doctor is schmoozed by the prescription drug companies. Even the corner store gets schmoozed by Coke and or Pepsi. Most of the stories you see on the local news are actually videos made by PR companies and then given to the news. The news channel didn't make that story.
Who gives a shit? Hardly any journalism is ethical these days. How old is FOX News, and how come you haven't been made about that since it came into existence?'
The only people who pay attention to video game "journalism" are middle school kids reading Game Informer. Game Informer, which by the way, is owned by GameStop. it's very existence is unethical. Nobody in GG seems to care about that. They weren't complaining about ethics in journalism back in 2001 when GameStop bought the magazine. If ethics were so important, where were they for all those years?
Hell, Nintendo Power, when it existed, was unethical. It was journalism owned by the game publisher! Nobody in GG seems to have had a problem with that.
You have had what you're claiming to ask for for a bit now.
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There's also no evidence that this sort of thing was ever the target of gamergate: it went primarily/exclusively after women mostly on false accusations sprinkled with sexist promiscuity claims.
You are setting yourself on fire to keep Gamergate warm. What did they do for you? What activism would you actually do to stop your intangible problems about the sanctity of games?
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Ugh bus
Other than that I don't have anything to say on them unless you want a "Things Anita Sarkisian said that were inaccurate" video.
Concentration camps are bad
Animal cruelty is bad
I still live here, pay taxes, and identify as a Nazi. I hold that sign up in front of Dachau every day.
While I keep doing that every day, people take one look at me and sort of laugh, they know that as long as I'm a nazi it doesn't matter what it says on that sign or what I do. I'm still part of the war machine. I still support the nazis by identifying as a nazi and paying taxes. I even try and convince other people that we're not all bad. Just the disgusting ones behind me, and the ones who support them... wait.
It's just opinion, it doesn't stop anything. If someone bows down to the will of critics or haters...maybe it's the company's fault for being spineless and not having backbone in their own beliefs. (Like how this thread was originally started)
Can we agree on that?
The only problem is when those problems aren't really there(in cases like, for example, GG going apeshit about people having a conflict of interest because they donated to a patreon, when that's the literal opposite of how journalistic conflict of interest works), or when it's driven by sexism at it's core(For example, when GG went after one British gaming journo for entering a competition, when there were people guilty of much more serious ethical breaches involved in the same competition - but they only gave a shit about the woman, not the men who were guilty of worse.)
When it comes to GG, the two are often inextricably linked. Separating the two is a very difficult proposition, when so much of one is often driven by the other.
GamerGate goes: "There are problems because feminists have their pockets deep in games journalism to censor video games they don't like that do not fit their anti-violence, SJW ideology. They were never threatened or harassed, just professional victims! It's a corporate conspiracy man, games aren't supposed to be about art, just mindless fun!"
You subconscious defend that ideology by not criticizing them or seeing the flaws in their mindset. Would you rather believe that? Or the fact that people don't actually care all that much about games journalism because they were never bastions of morality.