Who is it you people are seeing online and why do you subject yourselves to them? I know there's Bernie Bros out there, but the only one I've seen on my internet as opposed to in an article was Muppet (and that brief strange moment in the Onion comments section, but those weren't too bad). Why don't you guys purge your social media of this bullshit?
Good friend are sharing articles about the media being unfair to Bernie. It is much more reasonable to challenge them on it than to cut them out of my life, since it's pretty much their only transgression.
tl;dr: I can be friends with people who might hold a differing viewpoint or two.
tl;dr: I can be friends with people who might hold a differing viewpoint or two.
I can too but hiding them from my feed doesn't make us suddenly not friends. I have a friend who is a Bernie Sis and I still talk to her regularly but she's not in my newsfeed. It's not a big deal.
I have them in my twitter feed, close friends who say shit like "If you're a POC & still a shillary supporter after X, who hurt you as a child?" (that is verbatim). I meet them in real life: at the bar, at the reddit meetup, the roommates, at my various social gatherings that include a high % of young white liberals. Add in the background noise from my various social networks online, and I'm so done.
The reality is that even otherwise relatively intelligent people have so little actual political or social knowledge that their opinions are at best slightly hurtful noise.
The thing is, everyone burns out of public service at some point. I'm in a field that involves trying to save dumbasses who don't want to be saved. "LOL I'LL JUST SUCK RIGHT ON THE COW TEAT IT'S NEVER KILLED ME SO EVERYONE CAN DO IT." And every day, I am faced with the utter failure of logic and evidence to triumph over tradition and soccer mom science.
That does things to a person, to watch your life's work be pushed back by the very aim of that work.
It does not engender in a person a great love of humanity.
So when Trump is invariably sworn in because the fucking Democrats are going to buckle under their inability to organize a cohesive effort and the fucking Republicans are going to have a split party and shit their pants because they don't know what to do -
When that happens, it will cement in my mind the idea that people are unworthy of things like clean water and vaccines and safe food.
So Trump will free me of my yoke of morality, and I'll go build bioweapons for GE and usher in a new era of pestilence and plague, that we may finally be rid of the scourge of humanity once and for all.
Won't you join me?
(These opinions do not necessarily reflect the official stance of the Department of Agriculture and Markets)
When that happens, it will cement in my mind the idea that people are unworthy of things like clean water and vaccines and safe food.
Won't you join me?
I'd rather usher in the new era of AI rule.
(Although I do know the feeling.. recently tried to convince someone against raw milk, or at least against consuming it in the same time frame as though it were pasteurized. I failed, and concluded that food poisoning would be the only effective teacher.)
Who is it you people are seeing online and why do you subject yourselves to them? I know there's Bernie Bros out there, but the only one I've seen on my internet as opposed to in an article was Muppet (and that brief strange moment in the Onion comments section, but those weren't too bad). Why don't you guys purge your social media of this bullshit?
Basically anywhere that isn't my social media feeds, funnily enough. I had precisely three people in my feeds that are real hardcore supporters, enough to be annoying, one blocked me for pointing out that the whole Onion being owned by Hillary Donors idea wasn't true, the other two I just have on mute till sometime after the election.
I do have other serious supporters in my feeds, but they're the kind of people I'm not going to block out, just because they've got a bug up their jumper about a candidate. And they're not the sorts to go apeshit on you if you try to reason with them, so it's fair enough - I'd rather keep them, than cut them out.
The real crazy people seem to have a way of popping up everywhere BUT my social media feeds.
Y'know... The thing is, everyone burns out of public service at some point. I'm in a field that involves trying to save dumbasses who don't want to be saved. "LOL I'LL JUST SUCK RIGHT ON THE COW TEAT IT'S NEVER KILLED ME SO EVERYONE CAN DO IT." And every day, I am faced with the udder failure of logic and evidence to triumph over tradition and soccer mom science.
"For millions of white Americans who weren’t attuned to growing diversity and cosmopolitanism, however, Obama was a shock, a figure who appeared out of nowhere to dominate the country’s political life. And with talk of an “emerging Democratic majority,” he presaged a time when their votes—which had elected George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan—would no longer matter. More than simply “change,” Obama’s election felt like an inversion. When coupled with the broad decline in incomes and living standards caused by the Great Recession, it seemed to signal the end of a hierarchy that had always placed white Americans at the top, delivering status even when it couldn’t give material benefits."
There's a whole bunch of articles comparing Donald Trump to Silvio Berlusconi. I really think that's a fitting comparison. Partly because with half my family is still in Sicily, I used to get large earfuls about the guy and now I'm hearing the same nonsense about Trump.
More soberly though, Berlusconi actually was the PM of Italy for like 12 years, that actually happened. Why not here? It really made me... well somewhat resigned to the possibility that a Trump presidency could happen. I used to laugh it off as unrealistic, "rational actors wouldn't actually do that, they've got too much to lose". Yeah, ok, past Dave. That's cute, if I only thought like you do in this future of 6 months later.
On other political topic, Supreme Court, I think it is the height of bullshit that Obama's pick is still not up for consideration. In my eyes, senate confirmation of judicial nominees is there just to make sure these judges are not, you know, axe murderers or anything. If they are qualified judges, you do your fucking job and move it along.
By the same token, this is a broken political system continuing to one-up itself. I cried just as much bullshit when the democrats were fillibustering Bush judicial nominees, which was unheard of at the time. They drew first blood there.
So how likely do people think the following scenario will happen?
Trump get the GOP nomination. GOP establishment runs their own third party candidate. (Most likely Mitt, because fuck you) Election splits the Electoral college so no one has a majority.
Election falls to the US House (currently Republican controlled) who Elect Mitt as President. (Even though the House members are suppose to vote by state, it doesn't look good.)
nah, the GOP break up will cause the GOP/Conservative party to win very few states. The Democrats would dominate and the Electoral college will be a near clean sweep. the D's have too many states that are pretty much sewed up.
My state's Republican Senator has tweeted about refusing to consider an Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, so I wrote her an email about it, expressing my displeasure. It likely won't make a difference, as I assume they just auto-send a form letter response based on the topic, but I figured it can't hurt, especially since she is up for re-election this year.
I really had to refrain myself from asking, "While I don't think your decision is racially motivated, is this because you somehow think that President Obama should only serve 3/5ths the length of his term?"
My state's Republican Senator has tweeted about refusing to consider an Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, so I wrote her an email about it, expressing my displeasure. It likely won't make a difference, as I assume they just auto-send a form letter response based on the topic, but I figured it can't hurt, especially since she is up for re-election this year.
I really had to refrain myself from asking, "While I don't think your decision is racially motivated, is this because you somehow think that President Obama should only serve 3/5ths the length of his term?"
You should have also pointed out that if Obama doesn't have the write to nominate a Supreme Court Justice, then neither does she have the right to vote on the issue since she's up for re-election.
nah, the GOP break up will cause the GOP/Conservative party to win very few states. The Democrats would dominate and the Electoral college will be a near clean sweep. the D's have too many states that are pretty much sewed up.
If they can get 38 votes for themselves and let Trump and Hillary split the remainder no one has 270. They have 18 if they can take Ohio, Virginia could be another 13. All they'd need would be another 7 votes minimum and no one can get majority. Meanwhile all they need to do is focus on three or four states, while the other two campaigns need to run a much wider ground game.
Scott,
I know you've played a lot of the political board games that have come out, what would be the best one to model this? Three-way race, third guy wins if he can get 38 and the other two can't get 270.
They'll be drawing more votes away from the Republican nominee than the Democratic one - and cutting into Republican margins significantly will pretty much guarantee that Democrats win all their stronghold states plus Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Virginia, at which point nothing else matters.
"6% of registered Republicans voted for Obama in 2012. More registered Democrats [7%] actually voted for Mitt Romney. Women [55%] were more likely to vote for Obama than men [45%]. 93% of African-Americans voted for Obama. The next highest ethnic demographic was the Asian population [73%], followed by Hispanics [71%]. Only 39% of Caucasians/Whites voted for Obama in 2012. With the exception of Mormons [78% against] and Protestants [56%], every major religious group in the US preferred Obama. People who attend church once per week or more were more likely to vote against Obama in 2012. 3 out of 4 people who identify as being part of the LGBTQI community voted for Obama."
None of the Obama demographics are going to flee to Trump or a "More Conservative" alterative. Except for maybe a small amount of white working class, but that will more then offset what the third party conservative will pull from Trump. The Blue wall would hold while the Red safe states would all go into play. Total Conservative nightmare occurs.
nah, the GOP break up will cause the GOP/Conservative party to win very few states. The Democrats would dominate and the Electoral college will be a near clean sweep. the D's have too many states that are pretty much sewed up.
If they can get 38 votes for themselves and let Trump and Hillary split the remainder no one has 270. They have 18 if they can take Ohio, Virginia could be another 13. All they'd need would be another 7 votes minimum and no one can get majority. Meanwhile all they need to do is focus on three or four states, while the other two campaigns need to run a much wider ground game.
Scott,
I know you've played a lot of the political board games that have come out, what would be the best one to model this? Three-way race, third guy wins if he can get 38 and the other two can't get 270.
Not likely. The reality of third party runs is that they get near zero delegates.
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tl;dr: I can be friends with people who might hold a differing viewpoint or two.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support
I'm kind of looking forward to President Trump.
No! Wait! Hear me out!
The thing is, everyone burns out of public service at some point. I'm in a field that involves trying to save dumbasses who don't want to be saved. "LOL I'LL JUST SUCK RIGHT ON THE COW TEAT IT'S NEVER KILLED ME SO EVERYONE CAN DO IT." And every day, I am faced with the utter failure of logic and evidence to triumph over tradition and soccer mom science.
That does things to a person, to watch your life's work be pushed back by the very aim of that work.
It does not engender in a person a great love of humanity.
So when Trump is invariably sworn in because the fucking Democrats are going to buckle under their inability to organize a cohesive effort and the fucking Republicans are going to have a split party and shit their pants because they don't know what to do -
When that happens, it will cement in my mind the idea that people are unworthy of things like clean water and vaccines and safe food.
So Trump will free me of my yoke of morality, and I'll go build bioweapons for GE and usher in a new era of pestilence and plague, that we may finally be rid of the scourge of humanity once and for all.
Won't you join me?
(These opinions do not necessarily reflect the official stance of the Department of Agriculture and Markets)
(Although I do know the feeling.. recently tried to convince someone against raw milk, or at least against consuming it in the same time frame as though it were pasteurized. I failed, and concluded that food poisoning would be the only effective teacher.)
I do have other serious supporters in my feeds, but they're the kind of people I'm not going to block out, just because they've got a bug up their jumper about a candidate. And they're not the sorts to go apeshit on you if you try to reason with them, so it's fair enough - I'd rather keep them, than cut them out.
The real crazy people seem to have a way of popping up everywhere BUT my social media feeds.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/03/how_donald_trump_happened_racism_against_barack_obama.html
"For millions of white Americans who weren’t attuned to growing diversity and cosmopolitanism, however, Obama was a shock, a figure who appeared out of nowhere to dominate the country’s political life. And with talk of an “emerging Democratic majority,” he presaged a time when their votes—which had elected George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan—would no longer matter. More than simply “change,” Obama’s election felt like an inversion. When coupled with the broad decline in incomes and living standards caused by the Great Recession, it seemed to signal the end of a hierarchy that had always placed white Americans at the top, delivering status even when it couldn’t give material benefits."
More soberly though, Berlusconi actually was the PM of Italy for like 12 years, that actually happened. Why not here? It really made me... well somewhat resigned to the possibility that a Trump presidency could happen. I used to laugh it off as unrealistic, "rational actors wouldn't actually do that, they've got too much to lose". Yeah, ok, past Dave. That's cute, if I only thought like you do in this future of 6 months later.
By the same token, this is a broken political system continuing to one-up itself. I cried just as much bullshit when the democrats were fillibustering Bush judicial nominees, which was unheard of at the time. They drew first blood there.
Trump get the GOP nomination.
GOP establishment runs their own third party candidate. (Most likely Mitt, because fuck you)
Election splits the Electoral college so no one has a majority.
Election falls to the US House (currently Republican controlled) who Elect Mitt as President. (Even though the House members are suppose to vote by state, it doesn't look good.)
I really had to refrain myself from asking, "While I don't think your decision is racially motivated, is this because you somehow think that President Obama should only serve 3/5ths the length of his term?"
Scott,
I know you've played a lot of the political board games that have come out, what would be the best one to model this? Three-way race, third guy wins if he can get 38 and the other two can't get 270.
Women [55%] were more likely to vote for Obama than men [45%].
93% of African-Americans voted for Obama. The next highest ethnic demographic was the Asian population [73%], followed by Hispanics [71%].
Only 39% of Caucasians/Whites voted for Obama in 2012.
With the exception of Mormons [78% against] and Protestants [56%], every major religious group in the US preferred Obama.
People who attend church once per week or more were more likely to vote against Obama in 2012.
3 out of 4 people who identify as being part of the LGBTQI community voted for Obama."
None of the Obama demographics are going to flee to Trump or a "More Conservative" alterative. Except for maybe a small amount of white working class, but that will more then offset what the third party conservative will pull from Trump. The Blue wall would hold while the Red safe states would all go into play. Total Conservative nightmare occurs.